Fairy Tail Anime Episode Discussion Thread [Episode 165 and Onward]

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by B214

As much as i want to compliment the anime on trying to do a good job on trying to expand how important that one minute was, it was logicless.

Well so last week Erza was jumping around beating the Mini-Dragons and now she needs Jellal to support her while Droy was half-dead being unable to walk yet he can jump and dodge this episode. -___- I can understand the Erza part because of her injuries but Droy? Come on that hardly make sense.

Then the one minute reverse used on the Dragons, Laxus and Wendy's aside since their combined attack showed some affect on Zirconis, but Gajeel, Sting, Rogue and Cobra's attack didn't even make the Dragon they faced flinch before the 1 minute reverse yet after the 1 minute reverse, their attack becomes effective.

Remember, this is anime. Five minutes are four hours, so logically one minute lasts, like, 30 minutes.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

Remember, this is anime. Five minutes are four hours, so logically one minute lasts, like, 30 minutes.

yeah even in manga that was the most "long" 1 minute of all the times, if we go by "real life logic" grey death come before that 1 minute, it's impossible everyone die exaclty inside that 1 minute, then the most logic is juse goes to "lightheated fantasy logic(allmost none good peoples die and happy ends) where just that 1 minute was enough to save the world.
i liked anime more because we see "more peoples dying in manga only 4 or 5 peoples died (gray, bacchius, makao, gajeel and droy, while in anime we also get lucy and laxus.

[immblueversion]

At this point, I really wish I could see all those artwork retouches from the DVD.

And it seems my prediction was right on the money: next week is a two-chapter episode. Not only will this arc will no doubt end on Chapter 200... I'll be able to see it on my birthday! :3 I just hope the Sun Village arc comes next. Or filler episodes, if not a whole arc. I don't care, I just really want the anime to get to the current arc already.

[G147]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

Remember, this is anime. Five minutes are four hours, so logically one minute lasts, like, 30 minutes.

Maybe, but how is anyone going to explain properly before the 1 minute reverse, all the attack by the Dragon slayer was ineffective and immediately after the 1 minute reverse, their attack becomes magically effective?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

If the next episode involves golden plains it would set things up very comically for me in 2 weeks but o well

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by G147

Maybe, but how is anyone going to explain properly before the 1 minute reverse, all the attack by the Dragon slayer was ineffective and immediately after the 1 minute reverse, their attack becomes magically effective?

actually their where effective but not "strong" enough well we can't speak more without go to "spoiler" but let's say who their just managed to keep alive, their attacks where effective enough to let them keep alives for "more time".

if you watch again "previous episodes you can see who some of their attacks does damage or have effect but not strong enough to win, just strong enough to keep the dragons in check.

[FlareKnight]

Initially I was thinking "how the heck does future Lucy know about the chain effect of destroying Eclipse?" But of course if the gate is connected to celestial spirit magic and she spent some time talking to that old research spirit he probably could tell her that.

The one thing I shrug at is the selfishness of the Princess. Being responsible is nice, but when she can't do anything to contribute she's just being a burden. Just stick her in a hole somewhere and have Yukino and Mira get out there helping out.

Heck of a sacrifice by Ultear. This time there was no Meldy around to stop her from basically committing suicide. At least this time throwing her life away actually had a positive effect. In the end like mother like daughter. Both sacrificed themselves hoping to pave the way to a better future for those they cared about. Unfortunately for Ultear seems like she'll pass away without realizing how big her effect was.

Though will say the 1 minute thing was a bit too much for drama. Making it like 15 minutes would have been a bit better. Less "oh god my life is only worth this much", but it'd be more reasonable to have so many die in that timespan with the fighting going on for so long.

Of course who knows how this whole Eclipse destruction will pan out. Might end up undoing even Ultear's sacrifice and will see if anyone remembers much of anything from this event. Be kind of ironic if they clean this up and then that black dragon shows up to annihilate them all .

[Blueknight78]

man i really feel bad for lucy, that was the arc where she "died" 2 she made a miracle for the first time someone die 2 times without die and get resurrected to die again she just was alive and died 2 times lol.

that was really the arc where lucy was trolled hard.

[MechR]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

two majors reasons
1. Because it would take too long and by the time he powered up the dragons would likely be able to attack him and kill him
2. Because that attacks everyone who the caster considers an enemy and deep down i think he felt others besides the dragons were his enemies and he doesnt want to harm them as well.

1) It takes like 3 seconds, and that's mostly just a courtesy to let the opponent surrender. There were enough guildmembers to cover him for 3 seconds, if he even needed cover.
2) I highly doubt that. Luxus was cheesed enough to kill Natsu with his normal magic twice, if Gazille hadn't intervened both times. Despite that, Luxus's Fairy Law didn't hurt anyone; not even Gazille!

Originally Posted by B214

Well there's also the issue where normal magic doesn't work on Dragons, so maybe Makarov felt that it would be pointless to use Fairy Law.

Regular magic worked fine on the mini-dragons, and the mini-dragons were killing more people than the big dragons at this point.

[thundrakkon]

I like seeing the part with Ultear's past. However, that whole sacrifice thing was just cringe worthy. They really blew the 1-minute thing out of proportion.

Now, back to the logic of destroying the gate. Fine, destroy the gate, future Lucy and future Rogue don't exist and come back in time. However, depending on which time travel theory, the effects are dubious at best.

• If we go with parallel universes, then destroying the gate will prevent Rogue and Lucy from coming back 7 years from now, but the current events still stand. That means they still have to defeat the current dragons.
• If we go with only one universe/timeline, then destroying the gate will mean that future Rogue and Lucy will not come back and affect the current timeline. That also means that, without the warnings, they will end up opening the gate as originally planned, and the 10,000 dragons will invade. Also, the gate will return again, since things move back in time.

So no matter what, I don't see the logic. Oh well, let's see what happens.

[Blueknight78]

a note:

Spoiler:

anyone know a place where i can "find" the dvd or blue-ray of the anime(old anime and new anime)pm me please

[Kafriel]

That also means that, without the warnings, they will end up opening the gate as originally planned, and the 10,000 dragons will invade. Also, the gate will return again, since things move back in time.

Wasn't future!Rogue the one who proposed the Eclipse plan in the first place? If he disappears, Hisui and Arcadios won't try to use its power, thus ending the paradox there.

[ookamigirl]

Zirconis sure has a thing for girls.
Laxus was too careless with him.
Rogue & Sting vs 2 dragons!
Our dragon slayers were having problems dealing with dragons..
More about Ultear's childhood got revealed.
Wow! She actually sacrificed herself to revert time.
Damn, didn't expect that from her.
That act at least saved Gray's life & much more.
It brought the edge that they needed to get serious & fight with more motivation.
Future Lucy's diary was of some help as well.

[Krono]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Wasn't future!Rogue the one who proposed the Eclipse plan in the first place? If he disappears, Hisui and Arcadios won't try to use its power, thus ending the paradox there.

Future Rogue showed up on day three of the games. He's the one that proposed the bogus "Eclipse 2" plan to get them to open the gate no matter what. The various Fiore people in charge were the ones that came up with the kill Zeref plan.

Though remember that Ultear thought that killing present Rogue to eliminate future Rogue would work given the current state of things.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Wasn't future!Rogue the one who proposed the Eclipse plan in the first place? If he disappears, Hisui and Arcadios won't try to use its power, thus ending the paradox there.

There was the original Eclipse plan, and that brought 10,000 dragons. That timeline had no one from the future coming back.

The Eclipse 2 plan was set up by future Rogue coming back in time, which brought back the current 7 dragons.

Thus, if no one goes back in time, we go back to the original Eclipse plan and the 10,000 dragons. Now, if for some reason, people remember all this when time gets reset to right before the gate is open or during the middle of the games, then I guess that is one cop out way to fix things, like in Steins Gate.

Originally Posted by Krono

Though remember that Ultear thought that killing present Rogue to eliminate future Rogue would work given the current state of things.

Actually, I'm not exactly sure what this version meant to accomplish. If it means that if future Rogue is killed, future Lucy will still come back and warn the correct people. That way, a real prevention can be made. I can buy that logic, although now, we have 2 Lucy's again.

Now, if it means future Rogue does not exist, and no dragons come, that would not make sense, since we are back to 10,000 dragons original Eclipse plan.

Btw, if we are using 1 timeline/universe theory, future Lucy and present Lucy might have a problem being in the same place at the same time... meaning, there is the theory that only one version can exist at any moment in time.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

There was the original Eclipse plan, and that brought 10,000 dragons. That timeline had no one from the future coming back.

The Eclipse 2 plan was set up by future Rogue coming back in time, which brought back the current 7 dragons.

Thus, if no one goes back in time, we go back to the original Eclipse plan and the 10,000 dragons. Now, if for some reason, people remember all this when time gets reset to right before the gate is open or during the middle of the games, then I guess that is one cop out way to fix things, like in Steins Gate.



Actually, I'm not exactly sure what this version meant to accomplish. If it means that if future Rogue is killed, future Lucy will still come back and warn the correct people. That way, a real prevention can be made. I can buy that logic, although now, we have 2 Lucy's again.

Now, if it means future Rogue does not exist, and no dragons come, that would not make sense, since we are back to 10,000 dragons original Eclipse plan.

Btw, if we are using 1 timeline/universe theory, future Lucy and present Lucy might have a problem being in the same place at the same time... meaning, there is the theory that only one version can exist at any moment in time.

well to make sure peoples dont missunderstood, we have "multiple timelines, mashima explainned it in the manga, both f.lucy and f.rogue come from alternative future timelines, the current one is a "third one who is a mix of both, that was a side effect of the gate.

[MCAL]

Well that was the last good part of this arc. I actually quite like everything about Ultear's scenes, thanks in small part to a great performance by Miyuki Sawashiro (Always a favorite).

I'm actually kind of happy they adapted a little bit of the next chapter near the end, but my thought remain somewhat the same. "I could have thought of that!"

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

well to make sure peoples dont missunderstood, we have "multiple timelines, mashima explainned it in the manga, both f.lucy and f.rogue come from alternative future timelines, the current one is a "third one who is a mix of both, that was a side effect of the gate.

So in essence, he is using the multiple universe theory, meaning that even if they destroyed the gate, what currently has happened still happens. Which then means that they still have to deal with the current dragons and Future Rogue. If they go by that logic, I'm fine with it. What I'm not fine with is that Lucy stating that everything will be fixed if they destroyed the gate. I see no logic in it, but I guess we'll have to see how they conclude this arc.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

So in essence, he is using the multiple universe theory, meaning that even if they destroyed the gate, what currently has happened still happens. Which then means that they still have to deal with the current dragons and Future Rogue. If they go by that logic, I'm fine with it. What I'm not fine with is that Lucy stating that everything will be fixed if they destroyed the gate. I see no logic in it, but I guess we'll have to see how they conclude this arc.

but the logic he is trying to bring is wich the portal actually was not a 100% precise magic without being used by the right person in the right way, rogue made the portal be open exactly in the "eclipse time" where the magic of the portal become "unstable", that thing caused the portal work in a chaotic way, where we ended having more than one "timeline mixed" then that portal being destroyed still being the key to somehow fix the flux of time, it's not like everything will be "fixed" but what is needed.

and mashima is not using "multiple verses like their come from a parallel universe, he is using multiple futures like when you are riding in a route and ending in a crossroads with multiples roads to choose, but instead of choose you ended forced to walk all of then at the sametime.

break the gate will still prevent f.rogue come from the future since he not come from a alternative universe but a alternative future, the same for lucy, the result of this chaos will decide all the "futures"(current one, future lucy an future rogue timelines).

well let's say who mashima is trying to use the most simple and easy to way to deal with everything without need do too much complex things.

[Houreki]

I actually like the Ultear's story and the minute thing.
This arc seems to be finishing soon so, I hope they continue with the anime.