(L) Dragon Ball Super

[Westlo]

Kinda stupid that Jiren wiped the floor with SSBKKx20 Goku 10 episodes ago and didn't do the same straight away to SSBGoku this episode. He shouldn't have needed to activate his aura at all this episode...

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Kinda stupid that Jiren wiped the floor with SSBKKx20 Goku 10 episodes ago and didn't do the same straight away to SSBGoku this episode. He shouldn't have needed to activate his aura at all this episode...

Saiyan's DNA; Zenkai.

[SilverGlavenus]

^^It could be that Goku's senses were sharpened just like when he went against Kale and Caulifla, or that Jiren wants to show the difference in power. One thing for sure is that Goku will have a hard time turning UI since he extended his limits.

[Hakai]

Goku probably got stronger after breaking through his shell/limits against the spirit bomb and then against Kefla.

That and this is DBS, shit doesn't make sense most of the time.

[vietthai96]

Originally Posted by Hakai

Goku probably got stronger after breaking through his shell/limits against the spirit bomb and then against Kefla.

That and this is DBS, shit doesn't make sense most of the time.

Uh Oh, shit never suppose to make sense
I think constantly fighting and unlock UI for to time have make become stronger. one more thing is in ep 109 it never confirm that Goku go full power either, and in SSB he still can keep up with Jiren for a while

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Kinda stupid that Jiren wiped the floor with SSBKKx20 Goku 10 episodes ago and didn't do the same straight away to SSBGoku this episode. He shouldn't have needed to activate his aura at all this episode...

More stupid than that is Goku and Vegeta not only knowing Jiren is the one stronger than a god of destruction but also he is the one that for some reason still did not show his full power even tho the survival of his own universe depends on it and still thinking they can do anything to him without the fusion..lol. DBSuper in a nutshell. Frustrating and stupid but still entertaining

[vietthai96]

So what the point of breaking their own limit if they just fusion and blast Jiren out

[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by vietthai96

So what the point of breaking their own limit if they just fusion and blast Jiren out

Because they retconned Fusions and thus they can't last more than two seconds due to too many power ups.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by vietthai96

So what the point of breaking their own limit if they just fusion and blast Jiren out

Vegito: Jiren. I am Vegito. The ultimate fused warrior.
Audiences: *GASP* Such power. Such pressure
Angels" That form..
GoD: This is...Perfect Warrior...
Zenos: SUPERB!
Grand Priest: INTERESTING..
Clown God and Kai: WE ARE GOING TO LOSE!~!!!
Jiren: OMG!
Toppo: IS THIS THE END FOR US?
*Vegito transformed*
Vegito: THIS IS SUPER ROYAL BLUE VEGITO THAT POWERED BY KAIO KEN x30 and ULTRA-INSTINC-
*Fusion defused*
Goku & Vegeta: ..GODAMNIT....It is not even 3 seconds.
Everyone: BOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[Kanon]

Looks like Vegeta's new transformation puts him on Goku SSB+kkx20's level. It was about time he caught up, although Goku already had another power up in the mean time
Oh well, better to be one step behind than two.

The next episode preview has Gohan and Frieza teaming up against Dyspo, which makes me wonder what happened to Toppo. I don't think 17 can handle him alone.

[alex_drian]

Well, I would like a explanation about how Goku and Vegeta, stepping in the God realm had developed regeneration skills. Only that would be enough explanation.

[DragonOsman]

I'm with Vietthai96; Goku and Vegeta got stronger, probably through Zenkai and/or getting sharper like what happened to Goku when he fought Kale and Caulifla (and Kefla) that allowed him to get into Ultra Instinct again. Goku and Vegeta are trying to push themselves and surpass their limits. And they're Saiya-jins, so it can work.

If Vegeta's new form puts him on par with SSJ Blue + Kaioken, then yeah, I change my mind about Goku needing another power-up. He just needs to master Ultra Instinct. And then I want to see him combining that with SSJ Blue + Kaioken or even just SSJ Blue. Or both, if possible.

@Noman: Goku didn't learn Genki Dama and Kaioken from Kaioshin, though. He learned them from the North Kaio. How could you mix those up?

Gohan will hopefully also get a good power-up soon. It seems like Gohan might get thrown out of the ring in the next episode, though, since they said it's his last stand.

Edit: One post late.
@alex_drian: Regeneration skills? They don't have any such thing, though?

I almost forgot about this, but: As someone else said, SSJ Rose was something exclusive to actual Gods. That's what Zamasu said too. He could use it because he's a God. Goku and Vegeta aren't actual Gods.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Regeneration skills? They don't have any such thing, though?

That would be a good explanation to so many beatings and keep fighting but well, this is DBS, only ignore it and enjoy the show.

[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I'm with Vietthai96; Goku and Vegeta got stronger, probably through Zenkai and/or getting sharper like what happened to Goku when he fought Kale and Caulifla (and Kefla) that allowed him to get into Ultra Instinct again. Goku and Vegeta are trying to push themselves and surpass their limits. And they're Saiya-jins, so it can work.

If Vegeta's new form puts him on par with SSJ Blue + Kaioken, then yeah, I change my mind about Goku needing another power-up. He just needs to master Ultra Instinct. And then I want to see him combining that with SSJ Blue + Kaioken or even just SSJ Blue. Or both, if possible.

@Noman: Goku didn't learn Genki Dama and Kaioken from Kaioshin, though. He learned them from the North Kaio. How could you mix those up?

Gohan will hopefully also get a good power-up soon. It seems like Gohan might get thrown out of the ring in the next episode, though, since they said it's his last stand.

Edit: One post late.
@alex_drian: Regeneration skills? They don't have any such thing, though?

I almost forgot about this, but: As someone else said, SSJ Rose was something exclusive to actual Gods. That's what Zamasu said too. He could use it because he's a God. Goku and Vegeta aren't actual Gods.

To be fair, the two have similar names in Japanese: Kaiohsama and Supreme Kaiohsama. Maybe he watched the Spanish dub from South America like me.

About the Super Saiyan Rose, I think they just used that color to distinguish both Gokus further

[DragonOsman]

Noman is Japanese, though. And the terms in Japanese, if I'm not mistaken, are "Kaiou" and "Kaioushin". Lord of Worlds and Lord of Lords, according to translation I read.

[n0m@n]

Oh shit. Haven't used the word kaiou for so long that I used a wrong term.
Yeah Goku learned kaiouken under kaioushinKaiou (the north).

[grecefar]

"just a punch...", seriously even with all power of love I can't see them beating jiren.

[Mad Pierrot]

So about the Kaiohken, it has become a regular powerup now?

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The next episode preview has Gohan and Frieza teaming up against Dyspo, which makes me wonder what happened to Toppo. I don't think 17 can handle him alone.

I imagine that 17 is going to try to stall Toppo while Gohan tries to help Freeza take out Dyspo , so they can attempt to triple teaming Toppo.

[static-flare]

The only fighters that is protected by plot armor: Goku & Vegeta