(L) CLANNAD the Movie

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by boggart

I'm agreeing with you on this... it seems like I will be squinting throughout the entire movie due to the excessive use of the lens flare... =_=

Hey, I had to do that when I tried watching Air the movie!

[Alohomora]

Originally Posted by Telliamed

Trailer and image PV on animate.tv. Crappy WMV though.

Here's the trailer (as well as some PV images) with much better quality. ^^

[Aoie_Emesai]

...didn't really explain much now did it?

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Aoie_Emesai

...didn't really explain much now did it?

Actually, there's an uberspoiler in there (if it is indeed the scene I think it is), but you probably won't notice or understand it unless you're already aware of what it's spoiling. So, no harm done, I guess.

[velocity7]

Upon fansubbing the CLANNAD Special Disc, I've found that the content is absolutely spoilerific and, unless you're familiar with CLANNAD, this stuff will be basically killer. Absolutely killer.

If you want to know how far I mean in terms of killer, refer to one of my previous... killer, spoilers.

[houkoholic]

Originally Posted by velocity7

Upon fansubbing the CLANNAD Special Disc, I've found that the content is absolutely spoilerific and, unless you're familiar with CLANNAD, this stuff will be basically killer. Absolutely killer.

If you want to know how far I mean in terms of killer, refer to one of my previous... killer, spoilers.

I'm actually quite a bit more interested in the movie version now after seeing the disk (which reminds me that I should go preorder my tickets). Yes, the spoilers are killer and I was going "holy s**t, they put these stuff in a preview?!" as Tomoya monologues his way along. Though I guess they expect the people who preorder the tickets to get this preview disk were most probably fans of Clannad to begin with so they're not pulling any punches.

I have some speculation on how the story will be re-written based on the preview disk:

Spoiler:

Only read if you really want to be spoiled

Spoiler:

Last warning.....

Spoiler:

It actually looks quite likely that they are taking the Ushio route as main but will mix in with some Tomoyo elements to come up with an original ending. Nagisa is going to die as implied, Tomoya goes into his slump and Tomoyo is going to take a big role in helping him get back on his feet. It also makes sense that they choosed Kyou as the other heroine to throw in there as not only she is a good tsukkomi combo with Tomoya/Youhei, but she also plays a big part in the Ushio route as Ushio's kingergarden teacher who's worried about Tomoya's well being.

[orion]

Originally Posted by houkoholic

I'm actually quite a bit more interested in the movie version now after seeing the disk (which reminds me that I should go preorder my tickets). Yes, the spoilers are killer and I was going "holy s**t, they put these stuff in a preview?!" as Tomoya monologues his way along. Though I guess they expect the people who preorder the tickets to get this preview disk were most probably fans of Clannad to begin with so they're not pulling any punches.

I have some speculation on how the story will be re-written based on the preview disk:

Spoiler:

Only read if you really want to be spoiled

Spoiler:

Last warning.....

Spoiler:

It actually looks quite likely that they are taking the Ushio route as main but will mix in with some Tomoyo elements to come up with an original ending. Nagisa is going to die as implied, Tomoya goes into his slump and Tomoyo is going to take a big role in helping him get back on his feet. It also makes sense that they choosed Kyou as the other heroine to throw in there as not only she is a good tsukkomi combo with Tomoya/Youhei, but she also plays a big part in the Ushio route as Ushio's kingergarden teacher who's worried about Tomoya's well being.

But...

Spoiler for Special Disk:

I haven't played the game so be nice guys.

Spoiler:

That type of a story would not endear them to the people of Japan who are trying to encourage a higher birth rate if the pregnancy with Ushio had something to do with Nagisa's death imo. It wouldn't be a believable scenario either these days with prenatal care for high risk patients or health care in general for those with illnesses that may be life threatening imo.

It won't make much of a date movie or bring in repeat viewings either unless they do something in the original ending to make it a neutral open ending (Gee, I didn't understand but I'm pretty sure "X" happened so I'll watch it again to make sure.) or a happy ending imo (Wow, I'm so glad that it ended this way. I love this film now. It really wasn't like Air the Movie at all. I'll tell all my friends to go see this movie now.)

Besides, wife dies and leaves grieving husband is a scenario that prob played dozen of times in live action on Japanese TV. They would have to do something to bring mainstream into the theaters along with the fans of the title imo.

Thanks for the Special Disk. Where was it sold anyways?

[DragoonKain3]

Blar! I saw the 'teaser' from TWH/Sprocket, and oh man, I feel like I have ruined the entire movie/series for me. Sure nothing was said blatantly, but connecting the dots have ruined I think one the most important scenes in the game.

So for anyone uninitiated on CLANNAD, avoid the movie teaser like the plague!

[orion]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Blar! I saw the 'teaser' from TWH/Sprocket, and oh man, I feel like I have ruined the entire movie/series for me. Sure nothing was said blatantly, but connecting the dots have ruined I think one the most important scenes in the game.

So for anyone uninitiated on CLANNAD, avoid the movie teaser like the plague!

Well, maybe the movie has something else planned. Either way it was a powerful experience. Better than Air Prelude.

Spoiler for Speculation from Special Disk:

I'm thinking that Nagisa pulls an "Ayu".

[velocity7]

orion: I won't spoil much here for you, but let's just say...

Spoiler:

Nagisa won't be pulling an Ayu. What will be pulled though depends on how closely TOEI stays with the original content.

[orion]

Originally Posted by velocity7

orion: I won't spoil much here for you, but let's just say...

Spoiler:

Nagisa won't be pulling an Ayu. What will be pulled though depends on how closely TOEI stays with the original content.

Spoiler:

I'm assuming that they will find a commercially acceptable resolution that will not make the fans of the game unhappy just like what happened in Air the Movie. I have very little expectation that Toei will remain 100% faithful to the game because this is a 90 minute commercial venture tied to that franchise , their interpretation of the existing material imo. The 90-100% faithful rendition will prob be in the TV series. But the TV series also walks a fine line too and has to have a commercially acceptable resolution to sell the DVDs imo.

Of course, dead people dont actively yell "Tomoya-san" in the manner that she is doing, i.e every time that he reached a low point. That's why I said the Ayu remark. The game also had an Ayu-like character in it already, so it's not that much of a stretch for me to wonder about it.

[velocity7]

orion: Too bad I can't answer any more of your questions regarding that, without spoiling any more.

Let's just say that, whatever path TOEI takes for the movie, the ending will likely be close to KyoAni's rendition. But...

Spoiler:

Based on the way the teaser was presented, as well as the promotional material, I would say that the movie is focusing solely on the love story between Tomoya and Nagisa. Although many will scream for blood on that note, you have to consider that Dezaki only has about 80~90 minutes to tell a story that is definitely worth 52 episodes, and as such, take it with a grain of salt.

And even though the teaser is very spoilerific, the part where Tomoya says "walking forwards is like walking backwards" is no metaphor, I'll say that much...

[houkoholic]

I was going to type up the answers, but then I agree with velocity7, anymore spoilers would just be too much, and just describing the story is also not going to help, as Key's work is always about atmosphere and execution anyway.

[orion]

But I really wasn't asking for spoilers and I really don't want any. It's all speculation at this point. Dezaki can choose to do whatever he wants within reason with the material presented to him for use. It's his interpretation of the source material after all and a commercially viable story/ending will be done imo. It's practical business sense.

[IRJustman]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Blar! I saw the 'teaser' from TWH/Sprocket, and oh man, I feel like I have ruined the entire movie/series for me. Sure nothing was said blatantly, but connecting the dots have ruined I think one the most important scenes in the game.

So for anyone uninitiated on CLANNAD, avoid the movie teaser like the plague!

To keep something like this from happening again, I placed a disclaimer note on Scarywater page at the head of all the movie promo snipes to indicate that if you download and watch those files, you do so with the clear understanding that you may end up getting spoiled.

I sincerely apologize if this potentially ruined any possible experience you may have with the show.

--IJ.

[orion]

You haven't ruined anything. Thank you for your hard work. The Chinese subs came out beforehand with no one getting upset over spoilers. Loads of people in Japan bought this and no one complained loud enough to get media attention. In fact, from what I could tell, it sold out.

Similar situation happened in Air Prelude and we survived. By the time you saw those Air TV CMs and Prelude you pretty much had an ideal who Misuzu was. No worries about spoilers from those things being translated. In fact, this special disk had similar style of animation for the teaser. B & W grainy filters with lens flares and interspersed text.

Take a look at my Kanon avatar. It's taken from Kanon Prelude. Yep. It had spoilers in it too. No screams from that one either.

Pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

[houkoholic]

Originally Posted by orion

But I really wasn't asking for spoilers and I really don't want any.

The thing is it is impossible to address your concerns and questions about the direction of the story without spoilers, it's just the nature of the beast here.

[orion]

I'm not worried though and thanks for caring. I'll find out when the movie gets released. It's all fun speculation as far as I'm concerned. No one has a copy of the script so game related or manga related spoilers may or may not be relevant to the movie.

Images used in the teaser can mean almost anything that the director wants the audience to think to draw you in and then he can totally give you a 180 degree turn in the theater. He probably has to give a fresh interpretation imo since Clannad in theory should have had a wider penetration since it wasn't an eroge title. There is no real incentive to go to the theater if the outcome is assured and a TV series is broadcasting in the same year imo.

My Kanon avi is a good example of this. That scene was not in the TV series at all except the OP.

Mental exercises are good for the soul imo.

[DragoonKain3]

Better safe than sorry, IMO. There's people (like me) who wishes that they can unwatch the teaser, and as such am glad TWH/Sprocket is addressing the issue (though IMO a second version is in order, even if all whats changed was the title to indicate there's spoilers, because theres a lot of people dls the torrent directly and never see the scarywater page, ex. tokyotosho).

As for the no outcry in Japan, you just said the root of it all. The disk was sold out; in other words, its really popular. Otakus being otakus, what percentage of the people who bought the disk do you think have played the game before? Chances are, its close to 100%. As such, them seeing the teaser spoils nothing at all!

As for the analogy to Kanon/Air...

Spoiler for for Kanon end and teaser of Clannad only, nothing more, nothing less, I promise:

it's a far cry from those. Taking Kanon for example, in the commercial, sure they did show the tree cut and Yuuichi shouting (or for all the uninitiated knows, he just looks like someone gasping for air). But how would someone with no knowledge of the game/previous series know that Yuuichi was looking for a girl, let alone know that the girl is Ayu, and going further, know that she's in a coma with her projected self running around town? It's a VERY BIG stretch to get from point A to point B, and as such, doesn't really count as a spoiler.

But the clannad teaser? I intentionally lied that one has to connect the dots to get spoilered; you don't even have to get from point A to point B, as point A is ALREADY a spoiler. Right off the bat we're told that it's Tomoya and Nagisa we're talking about (how many times did Tomoya and Nagisa's name mentioned?) , and that she 'disappears forever' in the end. Everything there points to her dying.

And even in the best case scenario that Nagisa is all well and kicking in the end of the movie OR that its really some other girl who died/disappeared, the fact is is that people who have seen the teaser already knows that there IS going to be a disapperance/dying scene, and a major one at that. Knowing that there is a scene like that alone would take away from the emotional impact, as the shock factor is gone.

As such, because even in the best case scenario one has the major potential loses enjoyment of the show because of knowing things from it beforehand, the teaser can only be classified as a Class A spoilerific item. In particular, it's the very script of the teaser thats spoilerfic; the images show diddly squat whether you understood what was saying or not.

As for your avvy, its not in the prelude (I just watched it). Heck, even if it was, showing it would probably have it flow over people's head, because some people would be misdirected that she's an angel sent by heaven (when she really is just a girl in a coma), while most would just think its some silly decoration thats not worth mentioning at all. It wouldn't spoil a scene at all.

And for the record, I'm not mad at all with Clannad being spoiled some for me, as I'm not the kind of person who cries over spilled milk. It's just I'm just a tad bit miffed when people try to underscore the spoiler factor of some things, because this might convince people that its actually alright to see it thinking they're safe. I still stand by what I said before... Avoid the teaser like the plague if one doesn't want to get spoiled!

[Skyfall]

Ok, i watched the teaser (ignoring all warnings ), and i have to say - if that is not first class spoiler material, i don't know what is 0_o. You don't need to connect any dots in there if you want to get spoiled... you would have to be blind in the first place not to get spoiled by this

Since i dived in knowing that it is a spoiler, i am not going to cry about it, i will just quote DragoonKain3:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Avoid the teaser like the plague if one doesn't want to get spoiled!