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49ers finish 13-3. What a year. No one would have thought this team could achieve this mark at the beginning of the season. Jim Harbaugh has done a fantastic job. Regardless what happens from this point on, it's still been a major accomplishment and this team is for real.
A couple of things I want to touch on also: - I'm very happy we don't have an 18 season and I hope it never comes. 16 games are enough. As from the other issues I think 18 games would be bad, it's time to get to the interesting part of the season, the playoffs. No more Colts, Jaguars, and Rams games. - Tim Tebow and the Broncos are in the playoffs, but they have lost three straight, and I predict that they lose to the Steelers and their number one defense. Honestly I think this is the best thing for the franchise. You can't build an offense around Tebow's skillset and expect to compete year in and year out. This was obvious from the beginning, but all the morons who thought he was someone the team could build around believed otherwise. - Matt Flynn had an amazing afternoon setting the all time yardage in a game and touchdown passes in a game for the Packers. His stock just soared and I'm betting a team like Washington or Seattle try to acquire him. Even though he had one of the best days in NFL history I'd still be a little skeptical. Flynn has performed well in relief of Rodgers in the past, so that is nice. But we've seen this happen with guys like Matt Cassel. Good one place in an established system, and struggling elsewhere on a team that is a little less talented and buyers' remorse ensues. Flynn is a RFA, so I'm guessing someone bites. Is he the next Matt Schaub/Mark Brunell? Or is he the next Rob Johnson/A.J. Feely?
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2012-01-02, 03:55 | Link #3942 | |
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And Brees has had a historical season. But I still think Marino's is better. He didn't play what was it, 12 games in a dome? And it was back in 1984 during a time when defenders were actually allowed to cover receivers and hit the quarterback. Marino's YPA was also higher. Brees just threw the ball a lot more. Three quarterbacks have passed for 5,000 yards this season. Almost four. It's a sign of the times that the rules have been more geared towards the offense, and specifically the pass. So all of these record breaking spectacles we are seeing really aren't as big as the media is making them out to be. At least to me.
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Did anyone else think the final sequence in the Houston-KC game was the height of coaching stupidity? I can understand going for two from the two-yard line, but after the motion penalty, why not just kick the extra point and take your chances in overtime? I realize the outcome was meaningless in terms of Houston's position in the playoffs, but doesn't team morale have some role to play going into the tournament? I'm rooting for the Bengals so we can play them in the next round. Even with a gimpy Rothlisberger, I'd prefer not to face Pittsburgh. I'd much rather see the Ravens and Steelers beat the crap out of each other and leave us the survivor.
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2012-01-02, 09:33 | Link #3945 | |
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but once again, it's the age old story for the Cowboys, lack of discipline and toss in multiple blown 4th Quarter leads prevented them from being 13-3 now it's time to cheer for my back-up squad, the Giants after that...I don't really care who wins as long as it's not the Brady Bunch. Much like my distaste for the Eagles...I can't quite place my finger on it about why I can't stand Tom Brady... |
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When you see D-pass intererence calls on a guy just jumping over a reciever to make a play on the ball and his elbow merely grazes one of the recievers arms, you know something is wrong. The NFL has made it too easy to pass.
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I'd like to think Reggie will be back, if only so Luck has some veteran experience he can throw to in addition to Dallas Clark.
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Look at your 49ners for the contrasting example in your own backyard, why aren't they taking advantage of a pass happy league("The signs of the times" as you say) or using the rules to benefit them? It's because your QB doesn't have the ability (or hasn't proven the ability) to throw the ball consistently well...So I think you're limbo-sticking the whole debate...5,000 yds passing regardless of the time period is impressive, and the only guy in league history to do it twice is Drew Brees...There's a reason that stat stood for 27 years, it's not just some fluky $hit, these guys balled, but comparative vs. the remaining 95% of the league, the league was much better in passing in '84 without the rules that aid passing...
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2012-01-02, 15:13 | Link #3950 |
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Dear St. Louis Rams,
Please fire our poor excuse of a head coach and along with a first round draft pick, get a new head coach, somebody who can turn our team around like the current head coach did for the Blues.
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2012-01-02, 17:24 | Link #3951 | |
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Are you seriously trying to argue that Brees playing 12 games in a dome, simply throwing the ball a lot more (lower YPA than Marino in 1984), and taking advantage of the crackdown on defensive backs on receivers that has gone on for about the last eight or so years doesn't have anything to do with his success? No math formula that you want to come up with is going to try and justify that. Like I said earlier, Brees accomplished a lot this season, but let's be real here, he's also taken the advantage of a lot of factors in today's game compared to what Marino did in 1984 in sunny Miami. His touchdown percentage was considerably higher too. 8.5% in 1984 compared to 7.0% in 2011. The only thing Brees really did better was throw the ball more (41 APG compared to Marino's 35 APG). Which if you think about it, isn't doing anything better. His average wasn't better per pass even with all of the factors on his side. Three guys passed for 5,000 yards. That should be a sign of the times. Edge: Marino.
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There is no math for you to do. You just admitted the passing game has been enhanced because of the rules. That should end the debate right there. I'm saying Marino's year is better in my opinion. You say you have the edge in your argument. So what is it? That Marino's is worse? If you think that is the case, please debate the things I've said that favor Brees compared to Marino (12 games in a dome, crackdown on defensive backs) and explain how how Marino's better stats in 1984 (higher YPA, less APG, higher TD percentage) don't completely dismiss Brees between the two. Seriously, Brees just threw the ball more. That's really all he did. What argument does Brees have against Marino when you compare the two seasons? And we aren't just judging this between 4 or 5 guys when we talk about how the league has changed. Like I said before, passer rating averages are up and the formula for passer rating hasn't changed. Just the rules of the game, which now favor the offense.
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To suggest that these records aren't "a big deal" or "as big" as the other guy's records is to not understand the history of the league on this and the myopic viewpoints one may have based on sportsmyths (Like we're in the passing era, yet statistically 18 teams in the league failed to surpass 3500 yards passing--Again 5 vs. 95...People were putting that up routinely in the AFL days)... Not only did he take on Marino's record, he obliterated it, did it in 15 games, and sat out the 4th quarter in the 16th game...There is something to be said about not just beating a record, but destroying it to argue Brees' year was just as amazing...Now comparing two guys from different eras is always pretty arbitrary, that's why i framed the debate in-terms of the baseline for passing yard averages from each guys' respective years...If we go further, and you wanna flex TD% and YPA, Brees has better completion percentage (by 7% WITH MORE ATTEMPTS), better passing rating, less INT's , better 3rd down rating, etc. We can play a tit-for-tat stats game, Drew's no slouch... That's why I'm offering a different viewpoint, I mean defenses in the 80's weren't even built to stop obtuse passing attacks, while in today's game every team goes 4-5 deep in corners, yet Drew is penalized for this? (This is $hit that theoretically makes it harder to pass alot) Dome stadium vs. crisp Miami climate? Who played the worst defenses that year against the pass? You see the slippery slope? There are so many mitigating factors to consider we could go all day, but the argument exists that Drew Brees may very well have had a better season, and I'm not gonna let these throwaway 5 vs. 95 myths cloud my thoughts on the subject when I see an argument for Drew's season to be made...It's not cut and dry in the least...That's my argument...
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2012-01-03, 03:37 | Link #3958 | |
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Having a higher completion percentage isn't surprising when you play 12 games in a dome. Doesn't matter if Miami has good weather. Outside on grass is always going to be different than playing in perfect non-winded conditions inside a dome with artificial turf. Defenses in the 1980's could actually play defense. Even defenses that are geared to stop more passing offenses now still have a disadvantage simply due to the rules that are in place. You touch a receiver beyond five yards just barely, flag. Even in the 90's with the five yard rule in place, it wasn't this strict. Only after Bill Polian's lobbying following the 2003 playoffs where his Colts lost to the Patriots, did the crackdown truly begin, and this is where we are now. All Brees did was throw the ball more. That's all he did. Averages usually matter to me more than the actual amount gained or allowed in football stats. Which is why I usually put more stock in a team's offense or defense in terms of points scored/allowed instead of yards gained/allowed. As far as Marino compared to Namath, when Namath throws for more than 26 touchdowns in a season, we'll talk. Even if you give him the 5 yard rule plus two more games, I doubt he ever does something like that. No one replicated what Marino did in 1984 until what, 1999 with the Rams I'm guessing when Warner threw for over 40 touchdowns. Oh wait, Marino did it twice in 1986. So I think it's safe to say regardless of the rule changes from that period on to Marino's, Namath wouldn't have a chance even with that advantage. Over 40 touchdowns and 5,000 yards isn't that big of a deal in 2011, as it is in 1984. Especially since three passers did it this very year. What Marino did literally wasn't done again until this season. You want to talk defenses of that era, Marino was pretty much the only one that couldn't be stopped from doing something like that during that time. Pretty good for a 23 year old in 1984. Again, Brees had a great season. I just believe that Marino's was more impressive. It's not night and day to me, but I still feel it's more impressive.
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