(L) Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.

[pervypig]

^ You are misunderstanding my point. I agree very much with the fact that both of them are dysfunctional, or just taciturn to the point where they won't admit their respect for each other. Yui herself is jealous because she notices that they rather than herself, understand each other better than she could either of them. The thing that I do not like, however, is the fact that they can get by without each other - being loners, they are perfectly fine alone without anyone shoving relationships onto them. Well, I don't dispute the context of vol 6, but the next few volumes pretty much showed that (as you said yourself), their relationship is pretty much business. Read Vol 9-10 and I dunno bout you, but I got the impression of 8man and yukinon being an estranged couple signing divorce papers, while yui was their daughter stuck in the middle of the uncomfortable fake atmosphere.

Fact is, they don't need each other. It's not like yui chasing after 8man with more than friendly interest or, yumiko chasing after hayato, or tobe pining after ebina, when in fact he's got more interest in isshiki. Do you suddenly expect them to get together in the final volume with a snap of the fingers?

[Shadow5YA]

Ebina Hina already proved that Watari acknowledges not everyone is necessarily ready for a relationship, especially during their high school years.

Even if Hachiman decides to "choose" Yukino, there's no guarantee they will be in a formal relationship.

[HereticMagus]

Originally Posted by pervypig

I got the impression of 8man and yukinon being an estranged couple signing divorce papers, while yui was their daughter stuck in the middle of the uncomfortable fake atmosphere.

Whaaaat?
Nope. That's not the impression I had from that volume. That's certainly not the impression I had.

I could have brought it if you said that for volume eight, but not for vol nine and ten. Somebody please tell this guy it's is not just me, because I thought for sure that nine and ten was about them basically going from 'this club room is the only thing that keeps us together' excuse (yes, I think that was an excuse even in vol 8) to 'okay, we want to be more than just strangers in a room and we're willing to lower some walls to do that'.

And that's only in the context of both of them acknowledging it, to each other than them getting closer being a spontaneous process.

Fact is, they don't need each other. It's not like yui chasing after 8man with more than friendly interest or, yumiko chasing after hayato, or tobe pining after ebina, when in fact he's got more interest in isshiki. Do you suddenly expect them to get together in the final volume with a snap of the fingers?

Yeah, they don't need each other. Yukino is dependent on 8man in an unhealthy way, not quite in the sense of needing him, but expecting him to solve problems for her kind of way, and WW seems quite intent on portraying that dependency thing as some super sinister evil (it's not healthy, but it's not all he's trying to show it to be with all the ominous 'something more terrible than trust' dialogues).

If that isn't proof he wouldn't build a healthy relationship out of two people needing each other, then I don't know what is. For my two cents, I also think a relationship based on mutual need is a business deal. Not exactly what I'd call genuine. *cringes* Ughh. This series spoiled 'genuine' for me.

Anyways, whatever are you talking about both of them getting together with a snap of the fingers? What do you think the last eleven volumes have been about? Popping cucumbers? They are both clearly attracted to each other. I do expect there to be more development, more melting ice and defrosting ice and breaking ice and altogether ice destroying things, but that's why he's writing an entire new volume, possibly more than one, and not some parting note reading "And so, Yukino Yukinoshita and Hikigaya Hachiman became a couple"

[pervypig]

^ It's vol 8-9 where that divorce thing came bout, but if you had been reading it properly, the 'reset' on their relationship at 10 is STILL about hikki making a 'formal request' rather than an actual reconciliation. 8man didn't know half as much as he thinks he knew about yukino (or yui for that matter) - "yukinoshita is a perfect girl", "yui's a nice girl" - he admits as much to himself. AND YET, instead of brushing them off as "fakes", state that he wants to "struggle". Now, if we're talking about relationship development, this certainly counts, but that went not for yukinon/8man alone, but for the elephant in the room as well... a.k.a. yui. But why is it that WW wrote off yui in Another by giving her nothing short of a crappily written end?

Oh, and about the mutual attraction thing - 8man is attracted to EVERYONE. He's a guy with hormones (Saki-wat'shername's black panties, yui's boobs, even sensei) hell, he got attracted to yukino in the very 1st volume - so if we're talking about the "attraction" as in "acceptance of each other as friends or something more than it" then we got to be talking about yukino, and yet we both agree that she just rely on 8man to accomplish stuff his way. How, then, can we say that their relationship is going in the romantic direction when they don't even understand what each other's desire of themselves? However, WW's gonna write a proper end for this anyway, so this story's pretty much a foregone conclusion. I'd have preferred to see another volume b4 things ended.

[HereticMagus]

Originally Posted by pervypig

^ It's vol 8-9 where that divorce thing came bout, but if you had been reading it properly, the 'reset' on their relationship at 10 is STILL about hikki making a 'formal request' rather than an actual reconciliation. 8man didn't know half as much as he thinks he knew about yukino (or yui for that matter) - "yukinoshita is a perfect girl", "yui's a nice girl"

Is that a problem? Not to me. At least he's acknowledging it. As for the 'formal request' part, another non-issue. Why does it matter if the request is formal, or informal?

AND YET, instead of brushing them off as "fakes", state that he wants to "struggle".

Oh you mean brush them aside as fake and go the full circle back to where he was on vol 1? Basically retconning every bit of development he's had? no thanks. Yui's development is important, but let's be honest here, the actual conflict and friction was solely b/w 8man and Yukino. Not to say Yui doesn't have a role, she kept them together, but ultimately, she herself didn't change. In that sense, you could call her a catalyst (catalysts accelerate change, while remaining unchanged) Everything important happened between Yukino and 8man. Vol 11's end tried something with her character, but until the next vol comes out, it's difficult to judge what that's gonna end up as.

However, WW's gonna write a proper end for this anyway, so this story's pretty much a foregone conclusion. I'd have preferred to see another volume b4 things ended.

afaik, this is not confirmed last vol. maybe he's planning for more, maybe not. all we know is that the series is approaching it's end.

[pervypig]

Originally Posted by HereticMagus

Yui's development is important, but let's be honest here, the actual conflict and friction was solely b/w 8man and Yukino. Not to say Yui doesn't have a role, she kept them together, but ultimately, she herself didn't change. In that sense, you could call her a catalyst (catalysts accelerate change, while remaining unchanged) Everything important happened between Yukino and 8man. Vol 11's end tried something with her character, but until the next vol comes out, it's difficult to judge what that's gonna end up as.

I disagree in that Yui herself did not change: Volume 9 sees Yui trying to resolve ishiki's presidency dilemma by bidding for the post herself. Yui, who won't try to stand out, always smoothing out the rough edges of her companions, that yui! If any, the changes you see in yui are more obvious than in yukino - e.g. in volume 10 when she directly opposed yukinoshita for her saying that everything 8man started is his own responsibility - an old yui would just try to smooth things over. If that isn't a change, what is?

I am not placing my bets on another volume after the coming one. Probably extra stories and such, but the chance of the series extending past the haitus is slim.

[moneng85]

The author can take his time writing the novels and creating the wnding but No matter what i wish it wouldn't end like the work of disappointment Haganai(boku wa tomodachi wa sukunai) was.

[Aijaz_md]

I am happy that there was some news regarding the continuation of the novel since it's my favorite. But I wish that the conclusion to the story is satisfactory and he ends with one of our heroines. And if he doesn't end up then there should be an exception ending to satisfy the fans after building such a great background.

And I hope it also gets published this year.

[RedWingFM]

Good News! Volume 12 is on sale in April, 18.
P.S. Maybe

[archoel]

It's pretty much confirmed (listed on publisher's website) unless something changes.

[dark44]

is it the last volume or there is no new info

[Hoodspirit]

For a FF I write, I need to confirm something.
Hachiman doesn't have the phone number of Yukino and Iroha, right?
[There is a possibility that it happened without being mentioned at the end of the club event in 10.5 as the 2 photos were made with his phone, but so far it was always mentioned when it happened, thus I could treat it as it didn't happen, right?]

He has the Phone number from Yui, Shizaku, Saika, Komachi, Mom, Pops, Haruno (at least in call history) and Zaimokuza (once deleted, but still in call history), correct?

Hayato has his number, but not the other way around, is that correct as well?

[Aijaz_md]

Originally Posted by Hoodspirit

For a FF I write, I need to confirm something.
Hachiman doesn't have the phone number of Yukino and Iroha, right?
[There is a possibility that it happened without being mentioned at the end of the club event in 10.5 as the 2 photos were made with his phone, but so far it was always mentioned when it happened, thus I could treat it as it didn't happen, right?]

He has the Phone number from Yui, Shizaku, Saika, Komachi, Mom, Pops, Haruno (at least in call history) and Zaimokuza (once deleted, but still in call history), correct?

Hayato has his number, but not the other way around, is that correct as well?

As far as my memory serves me right, I don't think he ever got their number. And he also doesn't have Haruno's number. She calls him through Komachi.

And yeah Hayama's number is also not in his cotacts.

[Hoodspirit]

Originally Posted by Aijaz_md

And he also doesn't have Haruno's number. She calls him through Komachi.

Haruno called Hachiman directly in V10.

I was usually one to ignore calls from unknown numbers, but after incessant calls, I gave in. I picked up thinking it might’ve been something urgent, but after just informing me of a meeting place and time, the line was cut and here I was. I tried calling back immediately to voice my refusal, but she didn’t even pick up…

“…Um, why do you know my number?”
“I got it from Hayato,” said Haruno-san, not showing an ounce of shyness with a wink ☆.

Thanks for answering, I will treat it as if he doesn't have Yukino's and Iroha's phone number then.

[Aijaz_md]

Originally Posted by Hoodspirit

Haruno called Hachiman directly in V10.



Thanks for answering, I will treat it as if he doesn't have Yukino's and Iroha's phone number then.

Haruno has but he haven't the saved the number of her in his contact list.

[Hoodspirit]

Originally Posted by Aijaz_md

Haruno has but he haven't the saved the number of her in his contact list.

That doesn't matter as long as she is in his call history. He doesn't clear that.
In V8 He called Zaimokuza after deleting him from the contacts based on the call history from V6.

I forgot, in my previous listing, that he can write to Taishi as well.

[sparhawk1610]

I just finished vol 11 today, I am glad that vol 12 should be released in April.
Honestly, I hope for Yukino ending. I also like Yui, but somehow Yukino is much closer to my preferences.

[pervypig]

^ Yui ending's already done and published - if anything i'd rather see a Totsuka ending than any of the gals introduced.

[The 48th Ronin]

Originally Posted by pervypig

^ Yui ending's already done and published - if anything i'd rather see a Totsuka ending than any of the gals introduced.

Nobody can stop the OTP.

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by pervypig

^ Yui ending's already done and published - if anything i'd rather see a Totsuka ending than any of the gals introduced.

I actually agree with you