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The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won...
Today my favorite television series came to a close. I can't believe it is over.
Maria-sama ga miteru has been a part of my life for five years now. There is something about this show that just resonates with me. The tranquil school setting. The slow, thoughtful plots. Romanticized nostalgia for my own Catholic high school years. Maria-sama is one of the few shows that get me misty-eyed, even after repeated viewings.
There is no other anime like it. There may not be another series of this caliber for a long time.
It was only five years ago that we first watched Yumi and Sachiko meet:
Spoiler for Ep 13 ending:
And now we end with Yumi imagining a possible rosary exchange tomorrow:
Was I surprised when Touko asked Yumi to take her as a little sister? No. Did I squeal like a 14-year-old girl? Absolutely.
Were there any surprises in this episode? Probably not. Certainly not with my poor Japanese skills. Maybe I'll pick up something new after repeated viewings. For that reason, it felt more like a commuter train ride to an inevitable and expected conclusion than a roller coaster ride with surprise turns and dark tunnels.
Spoiler for Ep 13 Paranormal Activity:
Is a little bird telling Sachiko what's happening with Touko and Yumi?
Is Sachiko channelling Belldandy and talking to animals? We already know Yumi is prone to dialogue with squirrels.
Spoiler for Ep 13 Ride Home:
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a little something in my eye....
Great episode. If you didn't get all misty, then you either don't understand Japanese, or you have a heart of stone.
Some of the stuff to point out...
Spoiler for Ep 13 stuff to tide you over...:
Sachiko asks Yumi to stand, but Yumi doesn't stand. Touko is the one who makes Yumi stand, and that's why Touko gets the Red card. Sachiko appears very gracious, doesn't she? What they cut was the scene afterwards, when it is revealed that Sachiko still hates losing, even to Touko. She gives in because she lost, but she still hates losing. lol. Gotta love Sachiko.
If you go to the spoiler thread, I went into some detail about the hiding place for Shimako's and Yumi's cards, and why Shimako picked a spot under a teacher's car. It's very Shimako of her.
What you may have missed was that there was almost a 2 week gap between the Valentine's day treasure hunt and the day of the actual date. It's one of those things they mention really fast in the episode.
Yumi is chomping at the bit to go ahead and put that rosary on Touko, because she's worried about the rumors swirling around Touko. But before Yumi can whip out the rosary in front of the Clubhouse, Touko tells Yumi she doesn't want to hear her reply until the end of the date.
So on the train to the hospital, Touko explains why she ran away. Her father's father runs a hospital in at the foot of a mountain in a nice scenic area. (It's the same hospital Sachiko's grandmother went to, and the same hospital Touko was urging Sachiko to take her to in Rainy Blue.) Her father didn't want to be a doctor, and didn't want to inherit the hospital.
So Touko always thought that she was going to inherit the hospital, because she was the only child. She wanted to become a doctor, get married, adopt a child, and work in that hospital. It was her dream. But then right before Christmas, she found out that her grandfather was going to retire in 3 years, and he had planned to turn the hospital over to a married couple who were both doctors. (Whom Touko happens to like a lot as well.)
Touko can't become a doctor in 3 years, and there's no way her family will let her marry a doctor in time.
Disillusioned and feeling like her dreams had been shattered with no regard to her feelings, she ran away from home. (And wound up on Yumi's doorstep. Now you can start to see where the blank map stuff is coming from.)
In the book, her grandfather is described as "an old goat." lol I'm not sure what he looks like in this ep... maybe like they blew the budget on Kashiwagi's disguise in ep 11?
Of course, he recognized Yumi's name because Sachiko's grandmother talked about Yumi a lot. He tells Yumi something to the effect of "beat Touko into shape," because he's an old jock. He means it in the athletic sense.
The talk about the accident is a bit muddled to me, because I couldn't pick everything out, but the long and the short of it is that there was an accident, Touko's parents were killed, and she was plucked out of the wreckage. There was one relative (a grandmother, I think) who was either in the hospital or otherwise unable to care for Touko. Either way, she wound up in the care of the Matsudairas, who loved her as their own. The girl in the photo with the banana curls is Mrs. Matsudaira, and the girl on the far left is her birth mother. They were friends at Lillian. (Spooky!) Her birth mother was in the drama club, too. Touko is very conflicted about being in the drama club because of that, BTW.
Anyway, enough said about that.
They did chop a bunch of stuff out, but overall, it was a beautiful episode.
Oh, and I wouldn't necessarily say it's the end of the series. It's the end of this season, but there's still a ton of material left for another season. Depending on how it's produced, there are around 7 books of material if you're creative about it. (And considering that this season went through 7-8 books, that makes it very do-able.)
Great episode. If you didn't get all misty, then you either don't understand Japanese, or you have a heart of stone.
Some of the stuff to point out...
Spoiler for Ep 13 stuff to tide you over...:
Sachiko asks Yumi to stand, but Yumi doesn't stand.
Spoiler for Ep 13:
Actually Yumi was going to stand, but Touko got there just before she did and the surprise made Yumi froze. Remember Noriko made a point that Yumi wasn't going to favor Touko, and she was right: Yumi would have stood for anyone who asked.
A few days ago, I got into car wreck that unfortunately sent me to the hospital and rather totaled my car. Adding further insult to injury (and perhaps making my story almost comical), the tow truck guy thought it a good idea to pocket my ipod as well.
This episode of Marimite has been just about the best thing to happen to me this entire week. ┐( ¯3¯)┌
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Anyhow, I wish I could make as beautiful a comment about the totality of this anime like ziggr did, but I think I'll just jot down a few things in bullet points. I'm still rather reeling from the fact that the season's over and am probably having a bit of a hard time making lucid sentences. In fact, almost all I can say is:
- niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya! ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)
- Okay. Certainly I couldn't have been the only one who cried "YES!!" after the "Maria-sama no niwa ni tsudou..." avant title came up again. I swear, I've been saying to myself from the start that as soon as this season's over I'm splicing each of my videos and sticking it at the beginning. There's something missing when you don't hear that at the start of a Marimite episode.
...This is actually the second time in a row the series has made me yell something out uncontrollably at an embarrasing volume. Incidentally, I yelled "FUCK" when Sachiko ate that chocolate bonbon in the last episode. I mean seriously, did you see that? Man, am I a pervert.
- niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya! ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)
- Aw, it's happening again. Once again, that thing I do that plagued me back when I watched Aria came up, where I have to go back and listen to the dialogue since the first time around I'm completely captivated by the BGM. And the BGM this episode was definitely great -- new things, and even a few old things. I love whenever Deai is played in an episode. That song is gorgeous. Bloody hell, I'm dying to get this season's soundtrack so I can learn the names of the newer tracks as well (not to mention listen to them at my leisure). And yet, the official site won't even tell us when the OST is due out. Why must you torture me, Katakura!?
- Ohhh, and I'm always really surprised with how well the anime handles some of the scenes. There are really some things that can't be replicated in novel form.
Spoiler for Such as...:
Like the scene where Touko asks to be Yumi's little sister. Like ziggr mentioned earlier, I knew it was going to happen, but to actually see it, and to hear it -- the pauses, the inflection in Rie Kugimiya's voice.... everything. For me, that made the scene leaps and bounds better than when I read it in Criss Cross. But seeing as I'm such a seiyuu fan, YMMV, I suppose.
Granted, on the contrary, I envisioned something of a bit more grandeur when Yumi and Touko embrace for the first time after Touko tells the story of what happened to her birth parents. Maybe something a little along the lines of when Yumi and Sachiko reunited in the last episode of the 2nd season? ....well, maybe not that over the top, but I imagined at least a spinning camera.
- niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya niya!!! ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)
(oh btw, a little late, but for those unfamiliar with this term, it means "I'm grinning like an idiot". Yes, throughout the entire episode.
...But especially whenever Touko blushed at Yumi... that was just murder.)
- (also, yes, I do spend too much time on nicodouga.)
- Though speaking of grinning like an idiot, did anyone else notice Noriko doing the same as well? Hehe, GJ staff.
- And lastly, I'm going to have to pat myself on the back, if not just a little, for guessing how this episode would be handled. I was unfortunately right about how the other two dates would be treated, but like I thought, the season closed with a quick wink to Bara no Kanmuri. I'm glad they did that the way they did. If need be, the whole story can be told in the fifth season.
Because there will be a fifth season, right...?
...Of course there will.
I can't wait to watch it. The suspense is killing me.
I hope they quickly let out any news on when the next (most likely Final) series will come out (whether it's TV or OAV)
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Originally Posted by mintyfresh
A few days ago, I got into car wreck that unfortunately sent me to the hospital and rather totaled my car. Adding further insult to injury (and perhaps making my story almost comical), the tow truck guy thought it a good idea to pocket my ipod as well.
This episode of Marimite has been just about the best thing to happen to me this entire week. ┐( ¯3¯)┌
I hope your feeling better, nothing serious i hope. Sorry about what happened to your car. May that Tow truck driver loose all his teeth except one, and may that have a tooth ache. Cheers.
Actually Yumi was going to stand, but Touko got there just before she did and the surprise made Yumi froze. Remember Noriko made a point that Yumi wasn't going to favor Touko, and she was right: Yumi would have stood for anyone who asked.
Yeah, it was late when I posted that. Brain freeze. I remember the scene differently from the books, though, so that's probably why I typed it that way. Lack of sleep and such. >_>
@mintyfresh
Actually, I'm glad there wasn't any camerawork like in the last episode of season 2. That last scene in season 2 kind of ruined the dramatic tension for me, and I wound up laughing. This scene was a lot more effective for me.
That was the main thing this ep had for me-- it had the scenes I wanted to see animated, animated, and done very beautifully. And of course the music was good, too.
I'm just glad they didn't stop to eat at a Pizza Hut. >_<
Great episode. If you didn't get all misty, then you either don't understand Japanese, or you have a heart of stone.
Well, I guess I'm just beyond the age where a high school drama can move me to tears, and I never was specially emotionally attached to the characters, but, as I mentioned earlier, from an intellectual point of view I was able to appreciate the episode a lot. The music, the usage of lighting, the characters, the VA's, everything was there. It's not the fault of the series that I wasn't able to be attached to it, so I'm appreciating it for what it is.
@mintyfresh
Actually, I'm glad there wasn't any camerawork like in the last episode of season 2. That last scene in season 2 kind of ruined the dramatic tension for me, and I wound up laughing. This scene was a lot more effective for me.
Admittedly, I found the part where the background tranformed into an explosion of roses a tad bit embarrasing as well, but I thought the initial scene where Sachiko and Yumi reunite was epicly beautiful. Crackers, just thinking about it makes me want to rewatch it again.
...Anyhow. Something like that might've been nice, but it's a small lament considering how good the episode was otherwise.
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Originally Posted by inisipis
I hope your feeling better, nothing serious i hope. Sorry about what happened to your car. May that Tow truck driver loose all his teeth except one, and may that have a tooth ache. Cheers.
Hehe, thanks a lot, and I am.
To be honest I wasn't really feeling bad at all after the accident. Despite the way my car looks, I came away from it with hardly a scratch (much less something more serious like a broken bone or something). The only reason I had to go to the hospital was to make sure I didn't have any internal injuries, and to figure out why I passed out at the wheel in the first place (I...don't usually do that).
The loss of my car and beloved personal music player does indeed suck, but all things considered I suppose I was pretty lucky.
What a great episode, i'm such a sap when it comes to happy endings
Spoiler for Ep 13:
Glad to finally see Touko ask Yumi to take her as her Souer, felt like it had been a long time coming. So Touko's parents died in a car crash and her biological mothers friend/classmate adopted her? or something like that?
I think it was right that Touko took Yumi there, and the bus scene at the end was adorable.
I think the first series will always be my favourite, but I did enjoy this one a lot too. I doubt they'd do another series but hoping for a few OVA's at least since it's not really finished yet.
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This Episode captured again the elements on what make Maria-Sama truly wonderful. The slow gentle pace that invites us viewers to the rich canvass of the setting. The calm conversation of characters we have grown to adore. This episode makes us soak into this real yet dreamy world.
Very touching on how the whole episode focus on this 'Journey' this two characters (Yumi/Touko) must take, alone together. The episode is full symbolism, from looking glass-darkly to the dark tunnel with animated shadows like film frames. Touko as an actual willing guide to Yumi, in taking her to the depths of her heart.
When images of a rescued baby from a car wreck, and Touko pointing to two different school girls in the photo, you don't need to understand Japanese in understanding what she's saying. My heart breaks for Touko.
Yumi Mental Note: Must kill Drama club president.
Spoiler for Speaking of which:
Doesn't the Drama club pres. looks like Touko's Biological mother. (That is Touko Biological mom? is she?) Is that intentional.
Plus Touko's adopted Mom is a classmate and close friend to her Biological Mom. Kinda raises the hair on my skin.
What can I say? That was wonderful. A wonderful end to a great Marimite series. It's a thrill to have my feelings towards Touko migrate so far: from loathing to total sympathy. So it was a melodramatic situation. That doesn't mean I couldn't enjoy it to the full.
And it's so great that Kugimiya Rie has gotten to expand her tsundere style with two richer tsundere characters this season: Taiga and Touko.
More Marimite, please.
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YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.
I broke down and watched the raw so I'll have to wait for subs to clear up some of the conversation but the gist of things was still clear. Touko was downright adorable in this episode, I knew she could be nice if she tried
I was a bit surprised that they left things off where they did. It's like they owe us a season 5 now.
I see too many people being fired up for a season 5 when it is not even at the level of a fuzzy 3rd hand rumour. I am just mentioning it so that people don't get their hopes up, or that it doesn't transform into a fake spoiler. Plus, scientific studies demonstrate that being delusional is not good for your night eyesight.
I see too many people being fired up for a season 5 when it is not even at the level of a fuzzy 3rd hand rumour. I am just mentioning it so that people don't get their hopes up, or that it doesn't transform into a fake spoiler. Plus, scientific studies demonstrate that being delusional is not good for your night eyesight.
Lol. Point taken, but other studies show that being hopeful is good for your mental health. If they decided it made sense to do another season or OVA series, would there be enough material in the novels?
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YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.
Proto is correct. There is NO 5th season yet, nor any rumor of it. But there have been 4 successful seasons so far, and there is still plenty of material left (for OVAs at the least). If season 4 sells well, it's not irrational to expect them to go for a 5th in some form or another at some later date.
The main reasons being 1) Anime is a business, and they're in it to make money-- if they made money on seasons 1-4, then it's rational to go for a 5th, and 2) This isn't the end of the story.
And if a 5th season never happens, this season ended well enough that it's not going to be a big deal.
@Kaoru Chujo I answered your question about material for a 5th season (OVA or regular 13-ep) in the spoiler section. I left it in general terms, so it shouldn't spoil anyone, but it's even more off-topic than this already is.
In the scene where they show Sachiko drinking from a tea cup after Touko talks about her childhood, I thought the cup would suddenly crack to signify the loss of her girlfriend to another >.>
This is one of those series that's pretty easy to understand even though dialogue is heavy. This is because the characters take their time to talk, which is very rare.
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