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NorthernFallout · 2009-03-29, 07:34

Yea, most obvious connection I think. All the brainstorming in IRC kinda lights it up too.

Sheba · 2009-03-29, 07:45

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Originally Posted by Estavali

Perhaps it's this line of thought:

Belka have Knights.
Europe in the Middle Ages had knights (and Friar Tuck).
So Belka = Europe in the Middle Ages.

Profit? =3

It's like the bastard child of Holy Roman Germanic Empire and Ancient Chinese Empire with all the pretty dressing from medieval Europe. The civil wars in the past seems to be drawn in inspiration from the Chinese Warring States period, but also the European Religion Wars. However, unlike Europe, there are no hints about Belkans fighting a Crusade against the local Infidels. (tho this is room for fanon)

Estavali · 2009-03-29, 07:59

Well, China doesn't have a monopoly on civil wars in centuries past. So as long your domain is big enough to facilitate multiple claimants to power, you'll definitely have a pretty messy civil war. The idea that any large and powerful (usually dynastic) empire will eventually find itself embroiled in bloody in-fighting seems to be deeply etched into human imagination. Europe, itself, if we don't restrict ourselves to just one country, has plenty of such good examples too (like the War of the Roses, for one. The Hammer hit Martin with it and we have A Song of Ice and Fire). Religion was a good excuse for coveting and invading your neighbours' territory but that's just one of many, I'd say.

Sheba · 2009-03-29, 08:02

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Originally Posted by Estavali

Well, China doesn't have a monopoly on civil wars in centuries past. So as long your domain is big enough to facilitate multiple claimants to power, you'll definitely have a pretty messy civil war. The idea that any large and powerful (usually dynastic) empire will eventually find itself embroiled in bloody in-fighting seems to be deeply etched into human imagination. Europe, itself, if we don't restrict ourselves to just one country, has plenty of such good examples too (like the War of the Roses, for one. The Hammer hit Martin with it and we have A Song of Ice and Fire).

True that.

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-29, 10:19

Ah one last problem though, if the author decided not not follow Earthen armor designs but his thinking over the millenia from the fall of Alhazred, all that becomes moot.

Estavali · 2009-03-29, 10:50

I don't quite get what "his thinking over the millenia from the fall of Alhazred" means, to be honest. Elaborate, if you may.

NorthernFallout · 2009-03-29, 10:54

Using Alhazred as an exit point perhaps? Using that design as a model and not earth references.

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-29, 10:55

I meant to say what if he thinks everything started out with Arabic designs (due to the word Alhazred), then worked things out from there to present day? You'd get rather interesting gear no, at least not recognizably Earthen?

Sheba · 2009-03-29, 11:40

You'd get something close because in the last news, Belkans, Alhazredians or Mids are humanoids, of the homo sapiens kind. Thus, more than likely exposed to an arm vs armor race until magic comes into play. And before magic, it is not unlikely that they experimented a trial and error of chainmail, platemail, scalemail or what's not against stones, spears, swords, clubs, maces and hammers. Unless they stagnated like Aztecs, Incas or pre-Columbian civilizations until the appearance of magic.

Estavali · 2009-03-29, 12:22

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

I meant to say what if he thinks everything started out with Arabic designs (due to the word Alhazred), then worked things out from there to present day? You'd get rather interesting gear no, at least not recognizably Earthen?

It's still based on what we have here, isn't it? And so as long functionality isn't thrown to the winds, what's good in those designs will no doubt be retained and polished as the author sees fit (provided the author knows what s/he is doing). There is only some much that one can change without losing the spirit of the original design.

The idea of basing Al Hazard armor on Arabic designs is interesting imho. For one, decorations on Muslim armor involved a great deal of calligraphy. Though this was to avoid images as objects of devotion, for the Al Hazardian armorer these could be inscriptions of protective spells written in a way that the final product is a work of art as it is of defense. And if magic is Al Hazard's chief weapon, there is a possibility that they would gradually do away with whatever parts of armor that they felt to be too cumbersome or uncomfortable. The Muslim armor was design for speed over heavy protection and the Middle East isn't really a very cool place. The result was armor that was relatively lighter and less extensive than its European cousin.

To be honest, I would love to see an Al Hazardian warrior with one of those conical helmets

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Originally Posted by Sheba

You'd get something close because in the last news, Belkans, Alhazredians or Mids are humanoids, of the homo sapiens kind. Thus, more than likely exposed to an arm vs armor race until magic comes into play. And before magic, it is not unlikely that they experimented a trial and error of chainmail, platemail, scalemail or what's not against stones, spears, swords, clubs, maces and hammers. Unless they stagnated like Aztecs, Incas or pre-Columbian civilizations until the appearance of magic.

Furthermore, good ideas are eagerly plagiarized, especially if you're at a disadvantage and stealing the enemies' ideas will help level the playing field at least. If your type of weapon, armor or even magic worked equally well for you as it would for me, and you have an edge due to that element, how quick do you think it'll take for me to copy yours and apply it to my troops, with modifications and improvements to suit my circumstances?

Wild Goose · 2009-03-29, 13:15

Take the Fritz helmet. Implemented in WW2, to this day armies all over the world use the German WW2 helment design. Why? Because it works.

Sheba · 2009-03-29, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Take the Fritz helmet. Implemented in WW2, to this day armies all over the world use the German WW2 helment design. Why? Because it works.

I'll add the grandfather of all submachineguns as we know them, the Bergman MP18. Working so well it got banned by the Treaty of Versailles, even though the usefulness of this weapon category will never be denied in the decades to come.

Comartemis · 2009-03-29, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Take the Fritz helmet. Implemented in WW2, to this day armies all over the world use the German WW2 helment design. Why? Because it works.

I'm surprised you didn't mention the M1911, Goose. You having an off day or something?

kct · 2009-03-29, 18:48

Nope, that's because the M1911 has it's birthday some days back.

These is what I'm having at the moment (note, they're still WIP, and still subject to changes):

What is the 28th Independent Operations Squadron?

The unwilling saviour.

The unwilling compatriot.

Tempy · 2009-03-29, 20:02

Hmm.

Looking over the shorts I've done, as well as SB's observations, I see things I do not like. If they weren't just silly crack, I would've pulled them down. But since they're quite cracky, I'm not that worried about it. Still, it's a path I'd rather not be known, or have Noland be known, for taking.

Remember folks, Noland x CC is non-canonical. KeroNoland however, is totally serious :3

With that cleared up, I go to write more Gospel

MeisterBabylon · 2009-03-30, 01:54

That means we're gonna see a KeroNolaXXXX RABU TRIANGLE as fanon?!

Zenryu Zenkai DO WANTO!

*blasts off at the speed of crack*

Saint X · 2009-03-30, 04:36

> #5793
> #5818
> #5832

Triggerheart Appearances 3 of 4...

Spoiler for Triggerheart 03: Elise Lotus Ver 1.0A:

Note: I slowed down a bit in making this since i found new info that forced me to edit my two previous profiles.

still looks infodumpy to me...

any comments? suggestions? what?

OCTOCP

kct · 2009-03-30, 06:15

A Lotus (the carmaker) would always be special for us Malaysians.

Also, the chat log is a nice touch.

LoweGear · 2009-03-30, 11:07

Well, someone wanted a helmet for Mai so...

Also recolored Astaroth to match Mai's BJ, as per Nanoverse conventions

*Edit*

Replaced image with modified version after some OCC input

Wild Goose · 2009-03-30, 12:56

Tactical Arms Mode BJ.... naisu....~

And still cast-offable - and in fact, makes casting off not unlike unwrapping a present-

*is shot repeatedly and then gutted by Mai's chainsword*

2009-03-29, 07:34	Link #5961
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	Yea, most obvious connection I think. All the brainstorming in IRC kinda lights it up too. __________________

2009-03-29, 07:59	Link #5963
Estavali 物語は、もう、おしまい……？ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the Horizon Age: 43	Well, China doesn't have a monopoly on civil wars in centuries past. So as long your domain is big enough to facilitate multiple claimants to power, you'll definitely have a pretty messy civil war. The idea that any large and powerful (usually dynastic) empire will eventually find itself embroiled in bloody in-fighting seems to be deeply etched into human imagination. Europe, itself, if we don't restrict ourselves to just one country, has plenty of such good examples too (like the War of the Roses, for one. The Hammer hit Martin with it and we have A Song of Ice and Fire). Religion was a good excuse for coveting and invading your neighbours' territory but that's just one of many, I'd say. __________________ Signature by liro

2009-03-29, 10:19	Link #5965
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	Ah one last problem though, if the author decided not not follow Earthen armor designs but his thinking over the millenia from the fall of Alhazred, all that becomes moot. __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2009-03-29, 10:50	Link #5966
Estavali 物語は、もう、おしまい……？ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the Horizon Age: 43	I don't quite get what "his thinking over the millenia from the fall of Alhazred" means, to be honest. Elaborate, if you may. __________________ Signature by liro

2009-03-29, 10:54	Link #5967
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	Using Alhazred as an exit point perhaps? Using that design as a model and not earth references. __________________

2009-03-29, 10:55	Link #5968
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	I meant to say what if he thinks everything started out with Arabic designs (due to the word Alhazred), then worked things out from there to present day? You'd get rather interesting gear no, at least not recognizably Earthen? __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2009-03-29, 11:40	Link #5969
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	You'd get something close because in the last news, Belkans, Alhazredians or Mids are humanoids, of the homo sapiens kind. Thus, more than likely exposed to an arm vs armor race until magic comes into play. And before magic, it is not unlikely that they experimented a trial and error of chainmail, platemail, scalemail or what's not against stones, spears, swords, clubs, maces and hammers. Unless they stagnated like Aztecs, Incas or pre-Columbian civilizations until the appearance of magic.

2009-03-29, 13:15	Link #5971
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Take the Fritz helmet. Implemented in WW2, to this day armies all over the world use the German WW2 helment design. Why? Because it works. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2009-03-29, 18:48	Link #5974
kct Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the office, staring at my secretary shipgirl Age: 37	Nope, that's because the M1911 has it's birthday some days back. These is what I'm having at the moment (note, they're still WIP, and still subject to changes): What is the 28th Independent Operations Squadron? The unwilling saviour. The unwilling compatriot. Last edited by kct; 2009-03-29 at 19:48.

2009-03-29, 20:02	Link #5975
Tempy Σ(。д°(o--(ಠ益ಠ ) Author Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hotsprings Resort Age: 37	Hmm. Looking over the shorts I've done, as well as SB's observations, I see things I do not like. If they weren't just silly crack, I would've pulled them down. But since they're quite cracky, I'm not that worried about it. Still, it's a path I'd rather not be known, or have Noland be known, for taking. Remember folks, Noland x CC is non-canonical. KeroNoland however, is totally serious :3 With that cleared up, I go to write more Gospel __________________ Last edited by Tempy; 2009-03-29 at 21:28.

2009-03-30, 01:54	Link #5976
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	That means we're gonna see a KeroNolaXXXX RABU TRIANGLE as fanon?! Zenryu Zenkai DO WANTO! blasts off at the speed of crack __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2009-03-30, 04:36	Link #5977
Saint X VxR Productions IT Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Philippines	> #5793 > #5818 > #5832 Triggerheart Appearances 3 of 4... Spoiler for Triggerheart 03: Elise Lotus Ver 1.0A: Cute and innocent, even when wearing her armor. You would have not thought that 5 months ago, she was living in a glass tube for most of her life. Name: Elise Lotus Alias / Nickname: Ellie/Elie, Ellis, Elle. Call Sign: Faintear Age: 17 Gender: Female Birthday: Unknown, given the date of her rescue as her birthday. Hair: Long blonde, with metal attachments at the tips (a sort of split end control?). Eyes: Violet Build: Look at the pic. Vitals: Choose to not reveal. Personality: Silent and clumsy, you would never think of this onee-san as as dojikko. But for all her shortcomings, she makes it up when she makes it up. Talents/Perks: EX-QT - Mental Multitasker. Photographic Memory. Homeworld: Asterele World Location: GDI Protectorate Area 32, Yellow Zone Y-3. Heritage: Unknown. Magic System: None, but is labelled "Bio-mechanical Type C - Bombardment", for reference. Magic Color: Pink Mage Rank: Estimated at A+ based on initial observation Threat Level: Unknown, estimated at AAA- probably exaggerated Affiliation: Galactic Defense Initiative, TriggerHeart Group. Assigned to the G.D.S. Tilde Under Captain Tien Chiu (Ten Chu / Tien Chu / Ten Chiu). Under Transfer Status to the TSAB Via the AX and Kyla. Device/s: Faintear. A Cybernetic Armor-Integrated Magical Overdrive Engine + Integrated Intelligent Device, named the "Triggerheart" system. It was originally designed and built as an offshoot to the GDI powered suit program, but this design was somehow pirated by Ver'mith into their own 2 Faintear "False" units- complete with as GDI intel stated, "'the perfect user of the (Faintear) system' clones" that were taken out later by the Triggerhearts. Spoiler for Differences: The Ver'mith and GDI versions are starkly different in many areas, particularly: Spoiler for Between sides: - The Ver'mith "False" units, the Mk.1 "Rogue" and Mk.2 "Imitate" have no provision for advanced equipment like full-spec verniers and the later magical outfit, unlike the GDI's Original/True unit. - The False, though speedier (and on that note much more superior in some ways) than the Original, were powered externally, either by a power link via a huge dockship- as with Rouge (that she can ride on ala Enact/Agrissa), or by a power link with a base station- as with Imitate. - The False were cyborg clones of the original unit's (future at Rogue's appearance and current at Imitate's appearance) user and had with it the shortcomings of cyborgs and clones. - Faintear True only has a single combat pod that was the based from Crueltear's own pods, unlike the Imitates that sported 3-5 funnel pods for the Rogue and later 17-20 disk pods for the Imitate. - The False could only operate on-planet, unlike the Original that has spacegoing and fold capability like her sister Triggerhearts. And Faintear herself has outright differences with her fellow Triggerheart units, namely: Spoiler for Differences between Sisters: - The suite for Faintear's Sensor Headband is more based on Exelica's system, but with some of Crueltear's perks as well, enabling her to be the general assault type and dogfighter of the group. - Faintear's Force Verniers are based on Exelica's but they are of a HiMAT configuration, providing on the go stability and agility even with the same amount of thrust as Exelica's, thus outturning Crueltear but not outrunning. - Faintear only has a single combination pod based on Crueltear's and Exelica's pods, but the unique thing is that this pod can fire against up to two targets, using the pod's "options" and grapple at the same time. Spoiler for Skills: Check Exelica's "Common" Skill list for the shared abilities. But there is a slight difference to the Concussive Breaker Blast or "bomb" as it is, as opposed to Excelica's "all medium" setting and Crueltear's "High-Low-Low", Faintear's "bomb" is a Low Damage, Wide Area, Long Period blast. Spoiler for Faintear Only: - Focus Fire: A special drone coordinated skill that concentrates all of her fire into a single powerful beam that she can lock in one direction or sweep across to hit multiple enemies. She cannot grapple though. - Beam Tangler Grappler: Her magical grapple attack, instead of doing any or attempted damage on the target as with Exelica/Crueltear, as the name suggests, it entangles the target as it is being grappled, preventing any attempts to escape and also allows "force disable" or "tangle shield" to be used. - Force Disable: Simply a forced disablement of any target grappled, may it be human or mechanical. - Tangle Shield: Similar to Exelica's "Anchor Shield", but instead of appearing and acting as a normal shield, the "tangling strands" that appear catch and return the shots if possible- it is known to throw back missiles this way. Spoiler for History: A relative unknown until her "rescue" from the Ver'mith, recent intel but the Initiative show that she may have been possibly a "rejected child" of one of the terror group's "Architects", and that her name was just an identity card. Possibly born at the start of the group's "perfection program", a selective and intense bio-mechanical engineering program to, according to the accounts, to "raise the next generation that will never falter" and it usually involved the higher ranks of the organization from "Engineer" upwards. Under the program's circumstances, the child would have just been sent off to be raised by a lower caste family but they had discovered that she had capabilities that were both "abhorrent" and "interesting", as a later GDI analyst quoted, "she is an 'EX-QT'". For most of her life until her rescue, she was kept in a capsule, with various methods to prevent deterioration of her entirety in mind, body and soul, and even a bit of cybernetics were used just to keep her healthy and in a state that if, she were to be removed from the tank, be able to function as a normal human of the appropriate age, with all knowledge and functions, and even a bit of strength. But unknown to them, the measures they have taken to prevent her from deteriorating were also her portals to the outside world. During her 16 years of capsule habitation, she was basically like a ghost, using the internet to gain knowledge, experience and even friends- as username "GlassedFlower38"- this will later play a key role in her rescue. Meanwhile the Perfection Program now had an offshoot since pirating of the (Faintear) Triggerheart system. The particular system they took required immense mental capability and the only person they have with some semblance to that sort of ability was the glassed Elise. They took samples of her (well risking the original sample was not an option to them) and using their rather advanced (compared to Ordered Space's most advanced cloning specialist Dr. Jail Scagletti.) cloning and growth acceleration techniques, two cybernetically enhanced clones of Elise were produced (out of how many bases / how many failures will never be known) and quickly placed into active service- with Rogue scoring kills in the first two weeks alone- forcing the Initiative to accelerate their actions on their system. As "GlassedFlower38", she soon became aware of the war and her surroundings and used her knowledge she gained (records show she is enrolled in a technology course in the Virtual Department (Long-Distance/Tele-learning) in the prestigiousUniversity of Obrasti II) to secretly infiltrate both side's networks and learn of the events. Outside the infiltration she told the few "true virtual friends" that she had, usernames "ChibiMouse3" and "BellaPrimaDonna" what was happening- and they seem to understand- unknowingly these two usernames are infact the sisters Exelle and Kureha. Durign the Triggerhearts' battle aganst Faintear Rogue, Elise was watching the battle and upon Rouge's defeat, she went and messaged her two virtual friends. This is part of the transcript form that conversation. They never expected or found the reason why Elise suddenly broke down. Spoiler for Lol Log: GlassedFlower38: Yes! I knew that the good ones prevail over evil! ChibiMouse3: ?? GlassedFlower38: They defeated the fake triggerheart! BellaPrimaDonna: Eh... it's on the news now? Chibimouse3: But how do you know that it's a fake? BellaPrimaDonna: Yeah, they never told that it's a fake... GlassedFlower38: Uhmm... Chibimouse3: EXPLAIN! BellaPrimaDonna: EXPLAIN! GlassedFlower38:... BellaPrimadonna: Well? GlassedFlower38:... ChibiMouse3: Elise? BUZZ! BUZZ! GlassedFlower38: GET ME OUT OF HERE! I DON'T WANT THEM TO USE ME AS A WEAPON! PLEASE HELP ME! Chibimouse3: Wha? BellaPrimaDonna: Elise what do you mean by that? GlassedFlower38: GET ME OUT OF HERE! BRING ME TO THE GDI OR SOMETHING! DO ANYTHING! I DON'T WANT TO KILL INNOCENTS EVEN IF THEY WERE CLONES OF ME! BellaPrimaDonna: CLONES?! Chibimouse3: WHERE ARE YOU?! BellaPrimaDonna: This is serious... are you sure? GlassedFlower38: DON'T YOU READ THAT I'M GOING... GlassedFlower38 has enabled voice output. "I AM GOING FRANTIC HERE! AT ANY MOMENT THEY MIGHT DISCOVER THAT I WAS WATCHING THE FIGHT AND THAT THEY MAY BRAND ME AS FAILURE AND KILL ME! HELP ME!" "Okay, we'll think of something, Exie, let's find her." "Find me? but how?!" "Just stay put, be calm and put out some sort of marker or something, we'll come rescue you." "Rescue me? but how?" "Let's go Exie!" "Right..." "Taking off!" "Launching!" And hours later, she was found in the Ver'mith base as it was being abandoned by the fleeing members- partly because the sisters simply charged in. After 3 months of providing the Initiative vital information in exchange for amnesty, Ver'mith counterattacked once again, using thier "Imitate" unit, forcing Elise to decide, either stay as a civilian out of harm, or join the fight against the people who abandoned and used her. She decided to fight, for the sake of the people who took her out of her situation- thus making her one of the key players in the destruction of Imitate and the suceeding Ver'mith flights. As the Ver'mith exodus towards Ordered Space began, Elise formally joined the GDI as the user of the True Faintear unit. As of current, she, like her fellow Triggerhearts, are in a Co-op Mission with the TSAB's own AX group, under Kyla Scrya. Changelogs: Note: I slowed down a bit in making this since i found new info that forced me to edit my two previous profiles. still looks infodumpy to me... any comments? suggestions? what? OCTOCP __________________ Last edited by Saint X; 2009-03-31 at 00:25. Reason: FORGOT THE TAG

2009-03-30, 06:15	Link #5978
kct Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the office, staring at my secretary shipgirl Age: 37	A Lotus (the carmaker) would always be special for us Malaysians. Also, the chat log is a nice touch.

2009-03-30, 11:07	Link #5979
LoweGear Secret Society BLANKET Graphic Designer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco	Well, someone wanted a helmet for Mai so... Also recolored Astaroth to match Mai's BJ, as per Nanoverse conventions *Edit* Replaced image with modified version after some OCC input __________________ Against all the evil that hell can conjure, all wickedness that mankind can produce... We will send unto them, only you. Last edited by LoweGear; 2009-03-30 at 12:01.

2009-03-30, 12:56	Link #5980
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Tactical Arms Mode BJ.... naisu....~ And still cast-offable - and in fact, makes casting off not unlike unwrapping a present- is shot repeatedly and then gutted by Mai's chainsword __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)