2013-02-28, 19:10 | Link #61 | |
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I think you hit the nail right on the head when you wrote that Kishi just made Hidan the "evil" man to make us feel no sympathy for them, especially if they were to kill Asuma (which by the way, I had no previous attachments too, we barely ever saw him do anything..but I digress). I think the way Kishi portrays villains are very realistic, like I've said before, everyone has had good intent in some parts of their life and to ignore that is just intellectual laziness. That being said, once someone has turned completely evil, meaning that their ideology has totally become cemented and demented, then I don't have a problem with them doing evil acts or the hero destroying them without their chance at redemption. I mean we can't have every villain repenting a minute before their death and thinking about how wrong they were; let's at least make some of villains determined and committed to their ideas and die with them...like Danzo did (boy I hated that guy) |
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2013-02-28, 19:58 | Link #62 |
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Well thanks to his death Danzo ended turning into a more complex dude since he believed making his hand dirty would save the village. Still, the next flashbacks kept featuring him as a dark character.
Going back to the scroll Suigetsu found it looks to be an extremely powerful technique that only the Uchiha can make which could also expand why Orochimaru was so interested in Sasuke. |
2013-03-01, 11:41 | Link #66 |
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Was Kawarama also a sibling of Harshirama? He does have the -rama suffix like his brothers.
It looks like all of the 1st's and Madara's efforts were all for naught since kids are still dying in this time and age as well. Being an orphan seems to be a likely occurs ce as well. Too bad Madara is the cause of it. It seems he really did fall from grace in a dramatic fashion. |
2013-03-01, 12:49 | Link #67 |
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It's funny how they had 5-6 brothers in that age but in Naruto's age people have mostly 1 or 2 children. It's like a transition from feudal age into modern western age in less than a hundred years. At least the old world in the flashback is more realistic in this matter, they had to have so many children to have at lest one survive until the mating age. As opposed to that the in the village system they still had their children die in wars and missions but they didn't have as much children, so it would make sense that the Senju died out not because they were destroyed but because they didn't have enough children. Tsunade's brother died and she doesn't have any children, no wonder that her genes and her clan dies out In Naruto's generation none of them has a stronger relationship that would result in children, but that's ok since Naruto will resurrect them if they die and Kishimoto will add another timeskip to see them with their children
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2013-03-01, 13:17 | Link #68 | |
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2013-03-01, 13:18 | Link #69 | |
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You're making this up, we know for a fact that the Uchiha clan had dwindled and we know nothing whatsoever about the number of Senju. |
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2013-03-01, 13:46 | Link #70 | |
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kishi: oh by the way, the senju were there, i just never mentioned it... and then they vanished. believe it! |
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2013-03-01, 18:42 | Link #72 | ||
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A hundred years ago sure we didn't have total wars every day, but still the world was filled with death, there were world wars and local wars, famines caused by nature or the government, epidemics, lot of childbirth deaths. So i could have compared this to a 100 ago in most of the world (not counting some good places). Well, Kishimoto was never good with numbers so i shouldn't complain at all At least he made a huge massacre out of this war, by now there should be about 60-70 thousand dead ninjas. As things are now i see a huge mass revival coming, all those who died in the war are dead for at most 2 days, so they could be resurrected with the rinnegan. I mean can thousands of people be killed permanently in a manga that's for children? Quote:
I can imagine that the Uchiha had to be a relatively larger clan because they survived Madara's bloody rule. Remember that when he became leader of the clan he set up the rule to kill their best friends and brothers for the MS/EMS eyes, that sure didn't help to increase their numbers. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-03-01 at 18:55. |
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2013-03-01, 19:58 | Link #74 | |
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You made 2 claims within one sentence which are either unsubstantiated or flatly wrong. The Uchiha clan had dwindled to the point that most of them were part of a single division of the Police Force, we don't know how large that is of course but considering this is the only known information saying that they were a "pretty large" number in comparison to an unknown quantity is ridiculous.
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2013-03-01, 21:53 | Link #75 | |
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Speaking of which, it would be cool to have a flashback where the police force investigates some murders and it turns out the murderers are the local mafia/yakuza and their boss did it, but the boss has strong political connections so he can't be arrested. The evil boss being Danzou of course, the police leader could be Sasuke's father. The anime team should do fillers like that instead the crap they're doing usually. |
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2013-03-01, 22:42 | Link #76 |
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Both. However you may have missed it back then because Inane had mistranslated the sentence when Itachi mentioned it to Sasuke during his extended flashback at the beginning of his fight with Naruto.
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2013-03-02, 03:28 | Link #78 |
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^i totally don't get what you guys are saying... are you saying that the senju were around during the uchiha massacre? and possibly just as large a clan as the uchiha? ...and of course just never mentioned... you know... the clan that is the most elite of all ninja...
even if that pans out to be true, it doesn't make it less ridiculous |
2013-03-02, 06:00 | Link #79 |
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Just because Hashirama was stronger than Madara it doesn't mean that his clan is better. The 2 clans were nearly equal, and they were the 2 best clans, that's all we know. In the manga there were some pictures of both Hashirama and Madara standing in front of their clan, and it seemed that both clans have a decent amount of people, that was when Konoha was formed.
BTW i'm really interested why did Hashirama make a deal with a guy who had his clan's members kill each other to gain more power. Sure those were sick times according to this chapter, Hashirama's father saying that sending children into a war to die as ninjas is a sign of love. When you have that sort of love in a clan it's no wonder the clan will soon be extinct |
2013-03-02, 10:21 | Link #80 |
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I for one think Ero-Sennin makes a good point, many times i have thought there was a lack of sex education for young ninja.Some families seem to be fine but the orphans are never giving "the talk".Naruto didn't recognize a pregnant woman, Sasuke's lack of interest in a girl friend,these are signs of ignorance about sex. Jiraiya wasn't that much of a pervert, just a frustrated man that needed to make babies.
This lack of sexual pursuit for greater fighting power is a problem,funny as it may sound. Not to hard to believe though. Radical Muslims in this world suffer from strict celibacy, making them violently lash out against over sexed westerners.This of course is probably not a topic meant to be part of Kishimotos story,however make love not war is a solution that has been presented before in other cases. |
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