2020-08-12, 07:45 | Link #581 | |
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When Tulsi exposed her record in this exchange Kamala had no defense, as you can clearly see in the video. Kamala's campaign tanked after this moment, she suspended her candidacy shortly after, even though she was the favorite leading into that debate night. Now all that the Trump campaign has to do is hit her repeatedly on her record while trying to look responsible on the economy. A few good debate nights where he trashes Joe Biden by being condescending and making fun of him would also increase his chances of reelection. It is so sad to see this rigged game being played out right before our eyes. Just like 2016, we are forced to choose between two horrible candidates. Meanwhile, the DNC and the media continue to ignore the progressive candidates, such as Bernie, Tulsi and Yang even though these candidates draw a lot of enthusiasm and attention.
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2020-08-12, 07:54 | Link #582 | |
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2020-08-12, 08:22 | Link #584 |
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Considering all the people who are likely going to vote for Trump anyway out of blind devotion or uncaring apathy probably a very good one.
For all we say about if the American people have any common sense at all after the last four years their choice in November is going to be obvious deep down you have the fear of what's going to happen anyway. That sheep will be sheep or that there are a large number of people who think that THIS is a good idea. I mean do we really want four more years of this NON-guidance with Cov-19? I don't want to be watching another election in four years with Cov-19 still be an active ongoing threat. It's clear Trump is going to do jack shit against it but pretend it's not there.
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2020-08-12, 09:35 | Link #585 |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Deal with Trump and his gang first.
Deal with Biden and Harris later if needed. The government isn't just the executive branch alone, but Trump is uniquely terrible. If Fox News is meme-ing about a leftist takeover of the Democratic party than maybe things are getting better after all. Though honestly, I don't believe there are any fence sitters at this point. If someone is still a fence sitter at this point, than maybe they weren't going to vote ever. Edit: though I think voter suppression and potential use of federal forces to influence elections is not something you can solve with just voting. //
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2020-08-12, 09:36 | Link #586 | |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bi...2%E2%80%931965) "The Vice President and Dr. Jill Biden also released their 2015 federal income tax returns, as well as state income tax returns for both Delaware and Virginia. The Bidens filed joint federal and combined Delaware income tax returns. Dr. Biden filed a separate non-resident Virginia tax return. Together, they reported adjusted gross income of $392,233. The Bidens paid $91,546 in total federal tax for 2015, amounting to an effective tax rate of 23.3%. They also paid $13,729 in Delaware income tax and Dr. Biden paid $3,882 in Virginia income tax. The Bidens contributed $6,620 to charity in 2015." https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...15-tax-returns $392,000 may seem like a lot, but considering Jill is a physician and Joe earned $235,000 as VP, it's really pretty modest in comparison to Senators and even House members. From what I know, my 28-yo daughter who works in medical research, and her 30-yo boyfriend, an engineer at Google, probably earn at least as much as the Bidens did. https://ballotpedia.org/Net_worth_of...epresentatives While the Bidens were paying a tax rate of 23%, the 2012 Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, paid just 14% in taxes on income of nearly $14 million in 2011. He actually had to work to have the rate be that high so it would conform to some public statements he had made previously. 2008 Republican Presidential candidate John McCain told reporters he wasn't sure how many homes he owned; he'd have to ask his staff. The answer appears to have been eight.
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2020-08-12, 09:54 | Link #587 |
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On an unrelated note, I see many people wondering how Trump could still be at ~40% in the polls. Historically, though, 38-40% seems to be about the minimum a Presidential candidate wins regardless of how unpopular he is. Here are the losers' percentages of the vote in what we now see as "landslide" elections:
Hoover (1932): 39.7% Goldwater (1964): 38.5% McGovern (1972): 37.5% Mondale (1984): 40.6% The reason these are considered landslides is because of the operation of the Electoral College. A candidate winning 45% of the two-party popular vote wins fewer than a quarter of the electoral votes.
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2020-08-12, 09:58 | Link #588 | |
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The post above this one points out that Biden's family has been through some hardships. Okay, cool. But let's not kid ourselves: I suspect a lot of Biden's popularity comes through on name recognition alone for being Obama's VP. And THAT is another elite title, negating his background life. ... of course, I will also admit that maybe I'm spending too much time on the politics section of Reddit, where apparently Europe is the political model that America should strive for, and that even the most left-wing candidates in America just barely qualify for being left-wing in European countries; they're mostly right-wing when compared to Europe's politics.
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2020-08-12, 10:19 | Link #589 | |
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Being an elite by merit is different of being an elite because of a structure/system put them there (Example WWI military), I hope this clarify it. Last edited by McW; 2020-08-12 at 10:34. |
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2020-08-12, 10:19 | Link #590 |
AS Oji-kun
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Angela Merkel has a Ph.D in quantum chemistry. Yes, she probably didn't make a whole lot in Communist East Germany, but by any other standard she'd be among the elite.
Boris Johnson went to Eton and Oxford. Tony Blair attended a couple of "public" (i.e, private) schools and eventually ended up at Oxford. Tribune of the people Jeremy Corbyn grew up in Yew Tree Manor, a 17th-century country house which was once part of the Duke of Sutherland's Lilleshall estate. Abe Shinzo's grandfather is described as the "de facto 'economic' king of occupied China, Korea, and Manchukuo, a Japanese puppet state in Northern China." Xi Jinping's father was a highly-placed official in the PRC after the Revolution. Xi himself studied chemical engineering. Political elites generally come from elite groups in society. It's hardly just an American thing. (Based on their biographies on Wikipedia.)
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2020-08-12, 10:36 | Link #591 | |
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What this means IMO is that even if the repubs lose this election, nothing will stop them from having an even nastier candidate, they know their base will support them no questions asked and they will have four (or eight) years to attack the dems from the comfy position of the defeated opposition, heightening any mistakes and spinning anything they can into "democrats are evil". The really scary thing is that next time said candidate might be smart, really smart. |
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2020-08-12, 10:37 | Link #592 | |
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To add to SeijiSensei, of the 8 presidents of the 5th French Republic, only one (Sarkozy) didn't go through one of our big name schools. (And he was still a lawyer.) |
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2020-08-12, 12:07 | Link #593 |
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The nationalist love Trump because he has kept his campaign promises. They want to disengage with the rest of the world. They want America for Americans. "Made in America" stuff only on shelves. They want the wall. They want all industry back within US borders, and run by US citizens only. Those are the people who will vote for Trump without a shadow of a doubt.
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2020-08-12, 12:29 | Link #594 | |
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As for fulfilling his promised, no, the wall has not been built, that is a big fat lie. He has not withdrawn troops from Afghanistan. Here is the list of key campaign promises, but I would say even his most staunch supporters are far from being "too tired of winning". https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...s/trumpometer/ The simple truth is that repubs will not vote democrat because they have been brainwashed into thinking "democrats are evil" even though biden/kamala is more similar to reagan than kennedy. |
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2020-08-12, 12:49 | Link #595 | |||
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Seriously a system where a guy with 60% of all votes can lose to a guy with 40% of all votes is an incredible idiotic system. Quote:
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He didn't end Obamacare, despite two years of owning the hours and Senate, that was super embarrassing. Even the tax breaks was a huge in-fighting and only the 1% got a tax break for the rest of their lives, the rest only had it for two years and now pay the old tax as before. They couldn't disengage from the world! USA farmers still want to sell their soybeans to China, USA customers still want to buy cars made in Germany and Japan, USA firms still like to buy Canadian alloy instead of American and so on. And even Trump's own merchandise is mostly made in China, so much for "Made in America", nobody wants to pay 20$ for a T-shirt. The Wall never got its money approved by Congress, even Reps don't like it. The money it got was due moving military funding around with bs arguments. And even then the wall promised didn't got built, they mostly repaired the sections which were due for repairing anyway. And the industries don't give a shit about US workers as we have seen in this Pandemic. They just get robots or illegals to do the jobs. Saying they vote for him because he keeps his promises is wrong. It is correct to say they vote for him because it "feels" like he keeps his promises but he doesn't.
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2020-08-12, 14:34 | Link #596 |
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Believe me, this election is like a Turd Sandwich versus Giant Douche, i dont like any one of them and they are going to make this country worst but the reason why i am not voting for Trump because of his actions during COVID*19, if he just listen to the science, shut down the country and tell everybody to freakin wear a mask then he would be a shoo in even after all of the corruption that he brought into that office.
My kids started school last week and they had a couple of cases already there, imagine if they bring it home to me, I wont be here at all or if I take it to work (I work at a prison, that I have to talk to inmates face to face). Yea, it is hard to deal with this, its very hard to even choose (did a mail in already). If we stay with Trump, the next four years is going to be likes that we never seen since the Civil War.
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2020-08-12, 16:50 | Link #597 | ||
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2020-08-12, 17:28 | Link #598 | |
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But right now, like in my last post, the reason why Trump isnt getting my vote is because of the COVID*19 respond and that he should done more than just close down the borders in the beginning.
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2020-08-12, 17:56 | Link #599 |
formerly ogon bat
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Because I am a mexican living in Mexico and have never make it a secret, for years now my location appears below my picture avatar.
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2020-08-12, 19:55 | Link #600 |
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I'm cool with 4 years of Trump. Got my raise, gas is still cheap and economy was good. I have no reason to hate him. Trump's alright. He's kind of unconventional, politically incorrect, and I like that he's not a pretentious intellect. I enjoy seeing how he trolls his haters. I would vote for him if not for my jinxing ways. Right now, COVID and BLM are being used as political tools toward the Democrats' advantage. Of course, the media is pro-Democrat and they've been talking Trump bad 24/7 to brainwash the public pretty good while hiding anything bad on the Democrats. They've done a good job at division as I see haters here, there, and everywhere. It's either that Trump doesn't have many supporters or that they've been silenced or Trump haters are crazier and more obsessive.
Like 4 years ago, the Democrats have the advantage and even a whole lot more so now. If they lose again, that'll be pretty bad. I'm interested to find out how the Americans feel about the two sides as fanfare getting a little extreme. (I've been wondering why Democrats are portrayed as good guys and Republicans as bad guys for quite some time but I'm too lazy to look into it.) |
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