2012-12-12, 19:36 | Link #1001 | |
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But if the quantum computer is so amazing, why didn't Koko just have each aircraft's controls malfunction and shut down AFTER they land? Surely waiting a day or two for the full effect to take place would be better than killing all those people.
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2012-12-12, 19:41 | Link #1002 | |
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2012-12-12, 20:00 | Link #1003 | |
Ha ha ha ha ha...
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And on a less serious note... I want a 24-hour loop of this.
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2012-12-12, 21:27 | Link #1004 | |
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Satellites and GPS didn't exist for World War 1 and 2 so her little plan does nothing |
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2012-12-12, 22:04 | Link #1006 |
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The Jormungand plan sounds really ridiculous. People already know where they keep the quantum computer, and they more or less know what she's up to. If you piss off entire nations by so blatantly crippling and manipulating their information and electronic infrastructure, you can be sure the "toy factory" is the first thing to get blown up, and that'd be the end of that.
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2012-12-12, 22:39 | Link #1007 | |
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On the phase where she reveals her Jormugand, she can already re-write basicly any digital map or GPS application. Long range missile or military aircraft will not work... The only way for entire nation fought Koko is by relying on manual war equipment. |
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2012-12-12, 23:28 | Link #1010 | |
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Which is pretty doable especially since she herself doesn't have much of an army. She'd have to be like the villain in Call of Duty Black Ops 2 and take over all the drones as well to make up for the army she doesn't have. Either way if the whole world gangs up on her she's finished she need a super power as an ally to even stand a chance. |
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2012-12-12, 23:40 | Link #1012 | |
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Jormungand turns any force she doesn't like into a force with the power projection capabilities for an African Militia. They'll have cars, machine guns, and explosives. She'll have all the cruise missiles, predators, and satellite uplinks. She could stand up to any superpower because they wouldn't be superpowers any more. Pure manpower means nothing if you can't allocate it to the right part of the world. |
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2012-12-13, 09:16 | Link #1013 |
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Don't forget that with Jormungand, she has access to the American military's milnet. Consider how she hacked the Navy's tactical datalink. Then recall something: Sure, the US military has the best logistics in the world, and they don't need Hek-GG. But how are those logistics delivered? Orders. How are those orders transmitted? Electronically via the US milnet.
With Jormungand, Koko can intercept any orders for movement of troops and supplies. Even if the US goes completely analog, it would then hamper their power projection and coordination abilities. The US has the best troops in the world, but that means jack shit if they can't transport those troops or keep them supplied, because the orders are literally being lost, as Koko is intercepting them. It's almost like Skynet, except in reverse.
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2012-12-14, 04:15 | Link #1014 | |
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Also, isn't it true that ICBMs rely on completely standalone systems to prevent any possibility of hacking? The U.S. can still nuke Koko's ass. I want to give Takahashi the benefit of the doubt, but unless he pulls some ridiculous stunt like all the satellites are equipped with Death Rays, I don't see how the Jormungand Plan can work.
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2012-12-14, 06:43 | Link #1015 | |
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The launch protocols are standalone, but the targeting systems aren't. This US might have isolated systems but... the other countries might not. The targeting problem should be surmountable, given time. They'd simply need to isolate targeting systems, then manually calculate trajectories not based on GPS or other networked systems, not impossible. They could then also communicate with other countries and warn them that they're using nukes not as a first-strike against countries but simply to let them all regain their sovereignty too. The only problem is confirming that the toy factory has the quantum computer. Since the nuclear option is, quite literally, the nuclear option, they need hard evidence that it's in South Africa and there's no duplicate. Everybody only suspects it's in Africa; there's no actual confirmation. So the plan of action is a) confirming the number of quantum computers and b) confirming their location. It'll be hard to disprove the number of computers and confirming their location. Of course, given enough time and enough madmen in the world with nukes, someone might think that it's worth taking a shot. Maybe Koko would inform the world that if something gets launched, she wipes every networked computer in that country. Any country that relies on computers gets sent back to the stone age, ignoring hardened, disconnected networks that would definitely exist (but are only military). The civilian computers become bricks and kills the economy until they can reinstall all OSs and restore records from offline and paper, likely years of setback. But then a country could cut their internet, then nuke. But then A whole country network outage is prior warning to the nuclear options. So maybe she threatens to use some other country's networked nukes against them? Not likely any unprotected nukes will be left after the long term though... However, the nuclear option only works if there's one quantum computer but there's no guarantee that it's only one and not ten. Over the long enough time period however, country militaries, industries, and critical supply lines harden their systems to all work offline and less efficient that now, but still let them wage war. Probably war resumes at a pre-World War One level soon. But it'll guarantee peace for ages. TL;DR: Over the short-term, countries can nuke to win, but only if they can 100% confirm the location of every quantum computer and nuke them all at the same time. Over the long-long-long term, everybody goes back to pre-World War I tech and fights that way. |
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2012-12-14, 21:57 | Link #1016 | |
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2012-12-14, 22:36 | Link #1017 | |
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2012-12-15, 06:56 | Link #1018 | |
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She also has to worry about EMP nukes - those don't need to be all that accurate, and all they'll do is take away her advantage. Why not use them? |
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2012-12-15, 10:41 | Link #1019 | |
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Also what to you mean no one can move troops? There is a reason why submarines and carriers are nuclear powered and sailors still need to learn how to navigate using a compass and the stars |
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2012-12-16, 00:14 | Link #1020 | |
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That doesn't make it impossible to fight wars. It just means that armies have to adapt...and lets be honest. EVERYONE is going to adapt if Yoko goes and kills 700k people with her super weapon.
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