2009-08-06, 20:02 | Link #981 | |
Natural Born Killer
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2009-08-06, 21:20 | Link #982 |
Spoilaphobic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: USA
Age: 37
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Now now.. I think most people will back Mentar on this one here. Piracy is illegal for a reason. And although a lot of anime, movies, manga, video games, etc. are translated, no matter what the country of origin and destination are, it won't be as good as the original. And unfortunately most of the time it is a poor attempt to translate, convert and sell the product (I just bought the Naruto manga box set from Viz and found myself dissapointed in some areas, particurly the chose of translation, such as 'doppelganger' instead of 'clone' in Naruto's signature technique among other things) in another country but there could be reasons for that, such has budget since so few people buy the product once its available. That is the point Mentar was making. You can't complain about something when all you do is hurt it. Its like saying the food your eating sucks after putting dirt on top of it.
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2009-08-07, 18:25 | Link #987 | |
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2009-08-07, 19:47 | Link #988 |
Yuuki Aoi
Join Date: Jul 2004
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@orion: I looked up the DVD sales figures, hoping that Beetrain might be able to smile a bit. Nope:
*84 -- *2,137 **2,137 **1 Phantom~Requiem for the Phantom~ Mission-1【初回生産限定版~アイン篇】 How to read: #84 on the overall top 100 DVDs for this week; wasn't in the charts last week; with 2137 sold this week; for a total of 2137; this is its first week. Spoiler for full list of anime DVD sales, to save space (in Japanese):
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2009-08-07, 20:17 | Link #989 | ||
Waiting for more taiyuki!
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It's too dark, not shonen, not moe, not Gundam or EVA and it didn't contain Mio. Bee Train prob knew this would happen from the start. But at least it's not as bad as Skip Beat! Quote:
How's that for a low? That was episode 8 by the way. (Ein gets setup for the fall and shot in the stomach only to have Reiji remove the bullet.) I guess it was too violent.
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2009-08-08, 13:52 | Link #993 | |
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Hayate the Combat Butler Second Season was written and edited by the same people (except for the Nitro+ guy, each individual is alternating between Phantom and Hayate), and it shares some of the same problems. It's a thorough presentation of the original story, but there's almost a sense of mathematical precision, making it hard for the humor to shine through. For both shows, it feels as if the staff are bored out of their minds. On the Dengeki satisfaction polls, Hayate failed to rank for spring, despite being the second most anticipated series of that season. Phantom didn't rank either, so the shows probably appeal best to newcomers (maybe not so many for Phantom?) or people who can stomach a wonky but literal recreation. |
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2009-08-08, 16:38 | Link #994 |
Waiting for more taiyuki!
Join Date: Jan 2004
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The other thing is how popular is the game now in Japan. It's on its 10th anniversay, right? If it's not that popular, then people aren't going to buy the DVDs.
Prob for a violent title based on a 10 yr old game it's doing pretty good. It just needs to not dip lower than 1000 by the end imo. They sold some character goods for the program. I actually liked the action scenes. It's one of the reasons I mourn no R2 BD for this title. (Easier for R1 to get BD with better audio if R2 releases it first.) Just seeing those countersnipe bullets fly and the pan shot to where Elen was sniping from, it was screaming BD release to me even on my computer monitor.
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2009-08-08, 21:25 | Link #995 |
real men love pink
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ohio
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i dunno this is one of the better series i have seen in 2 years. Phantom, Hayate, and Pandora hearts are the best 3 shows running right now. All those moe shows make me sick i guess i am not into their lil craze they have for it over there. Oh well i know atleast in the US their under appreciated shows like phantom, kenichi, ect do better over here than their moe shows
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2009-08-08, 22:12 | Link #996 | |
Yuuki Aoi
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I have no great love of or familiarity with action sequences, so my enjoyment of them here may reflect low standards, not sure. I suspect that having played the game or read the manga before is a detriment to enjoying the show, as usual. What I feel in this show is a lot of soul in the soullessness, at least for the main characters. My intuition is that what you refer to as "unnatural, overly deliberate timing" is what I see as elegant stylishness that lifts this show above others I've seen. If it's just the adaptation that you're calling mechanical, that makes me wonder how the writers can win: if they stick to the original, they're mechanical; if they change it, they are castigated for every change. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but maybe you want more obvious emotion? But less emotion on the surface and more real humanity beneath is one of the things I like about this show. And I got a great hit of emotion from the soulless Elen a couple of times, thanks to Takagaki Ayahi. I'm not a fan of Hayate, so I can't comment except to say that it is a very different thing from this, not just in genre but in the fact that that show has already gone on far too long, in my opinion. Maybe some fans just discovered they had had enough. But i did watch the first couple of eps of this season, and found them rather mechanical, too. To me, one of the most "mechanical" shows I've seen this year is K-On, which is also the most popular show of the year. Not that I didn't enjoy it, just that I hate how much more popular it is than other moe comedies I enjoy and admire more. Can you tell me where to find staff info that shows the same editors doing both this and Hayate2? Certainly different studios and editing studios, but I'm not doubting what you say, just want to know how to find such info. I found the Hayate info on an atwiki, but can't find it for Phantom. Kuroda Yousuke adapted this and co-adapts that. But he also did Gundam00 and both Honey & Clover shows. I thought H&C, especially the first series, was a very successful adaptation, and it was incredibly faithful to the manga, as you say this is to the game. I feel some of the subtlety and human sensitivity of that here, to be honest. Actually, the first serious complaint I've had about this show is how... Spoiler for ep18:
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2009-08-08, 22:40 | Link #997 |
real men love pink
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Ohio
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there are some good ones, but most are not what i would consider to be good.
I like the way the are doing this, I really hate when the anime does its own original story like what they did to Nabari and kurokami. Most of that turns out to be complete shit. The only original anime i ever liked was macross, geass, and e7
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2009-08-09, 06:38 | Link #998 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Hamburg
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In my opinion, Hayate S2 and Phantom are excellent conversions. Now what do you expect? How can particularly a comedy show manage to make jokes that the viewership already knows from the manga as funny in the anime? It's impossible. This is a fundamental problem of CONVERSIONS, and it can't be helped. Brutally put, in my opinion the taste of the japanese fanbase is horrible and 90% incompatible with my own. They have started with a very strange and disconcerting worship of moe productions of well-liked animation studios (the excesses about the amazingly mediocre K-On will linger in my mind for a long time). And few animation studios take the risk of new, original shows anymore, leading to a flood of conversions. And here, no matter how excellent they are (Phantom or Hayate), there will always be complaints. Another example: FMA Brotherhood - wonderful conversion, and quickly dwindling viewership. Sad, in a way. |
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Cheer up, it rebounded slightly... Quote:
Edit: Wow, I was only joking but DVD 1 has a nude Ein as the reversible cover. Jeez, you gotta see this CM. A new low perhaps.. The puppets are cute and I like the anniversary book.
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2009-08-09, 14:42 | Link #1000 |
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Well, I don't think the following requirse a "spoiler" tag because, quite honestly, it is based only upon my own conjecture- I have no backing for it beyond what I've figured out and 'predicted' (based on my present understanding of how anime plots tend to go, and based on how this anime has gone). So, it's not a spoiler... unless it happens, which I don't know, since it hasn't happened yet. :P Well, I suppose I'll put it in spoiler tags just because it is based on the latest episode- so if you haven't seen up to the most recent one, then it's a spoiler.
Here's my very strong feeling about how the present situation will turn out. 1) Either Cal already worked for Scythe to begin with, and before meeting Reiji was trained by him (most likely, I think), OR (less likely, but possible) Scythe got ahold of her and is going to train her after said explosion that supposedly "killed" her. 2) Cal will end up tracking down Reiji and, I think, be after "Eien/Helen"- Reiji will be forced to choose... Cal, or Helen. Somehow, despite all the hints we've seen, Reiji will actually be surprised at the fact Cal is still alive. Hah. Also, I tend to think backing for the fact that Cal might already be a Scythe-slave is the fact that she was tinkering with stuff early on, and seemed to be hiding it from Reiji- very possibly made the actual bomb that "blew her up". But scenario B is still possible, that these are just skills she has that will be used after she is 'converted'. Who knows... either way, it's clear Cal is coming back and it seems very, very reasonable that she is connected to Scythe. -Coro |
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