Downloading an OVA (unlicensed) is not illegal?

[Joe Dalton]

Meh my bleeding heart will go elsewhere then 2 anime being exploited =/

Considering EVERYTHING is readily available on internet... I dont see anyone going... aaaw poor [insert movie star] all those people cheating him out of his money!!!

What does make me sad is that dutch music is found on the internet since I wouldnt want anyones ears raped in such a manner

[MrBrown]

Originally Posted by KristopherZ

I bet that there are some kids in Japan that DL fansubs because they don't want to pay for the DVD, just like I bet that there are kids in america that DL fansubs because they don't want to pay for it nor will they ever pay for it once released.

Well, naturally there are Japanese 'kids' who download Japanese shows online (not fansubs, of course), as much as there are western 'kids' who download western shows/movies online, even if they could as well turn on the tv or go the movie theater.

If you're saying that there Japanese people who download fansubbed western shows online... Well, I'm not omniscient, but I'd say this doesn't happen. The whole fansubbing scene and the distribution that surrounds it seems to be pretty limited to anime (and maybe a little with drama stuff as well) from jpn to the west. That's been my observation so far, at least.

[Yogo_Pogo]

illegal is what? Not making a big company making big money?
this make me think of the thread on commercialism and fansubs.
Some people don't even think about all that. But if it became illégal and the fansubs stopped, who will make us know about an anime? a company? company can't make choice like that, they only will licenced anime that they think will be popular and forget a lot of others that we will never be able to see otherwise.
the problem is about the money. if the money was not involved there will be no problem.

MONEY= EVIL

[DistortedRealmS]

Originally Posted by Yogo_Pogo

illegal is what? Not making a big company making big money?
this make me think of the thread on commercialism and fansubs.
Some people don't even think about all that. But if it became illégal and the fansubs stopped, who will make us know about an anime? a company? company can't make choice like that, they only will licenced anime that they think will be popular and forget a lot of others that we will never be able to see otherwise.
the problem is about the money. if the money was not involved there will be no problem.

MONEY= EVIL

I concur, it's good to see people who are "Aware" like yourself. I don't think i could enjoy anime at all when I knew the "suits" were sitting in their office grinning at the money in their hand.



Cheers

[method]

Originally Posted by Yogo_Pogo

illegal is what? Not making a big company making big money?
this make me think of the thread on commercialism and fansubs.
Some people don't even think about all that. But if it became illégal and the fansubs stopped, who will make us know about an anime? a company? company can't make choice like that, they only will licenced anime that they think will be popular and forget a lot of others that we will never be able to see otherwise.
the problem is about the money. if the money was not involved there will be no problem.

MONEY= EVIL

How is that any different than fansub groups who only do the popular series. Series like Gundam Seed and Chrno Crusade have multiple groups cranking out episodes, yet series like Overman King Gainer and Godanner Season 2 sit unsubbed. Also the companies have to get a return on their investment to stay in business. Even the Japanese operate like this. Non popular shows are cancelled while popular ones continue into triple digits.

Money=good

[Yebyosh]

Originally Posted by MrBrown

If you're saying that there Japanese people who download fansubbed western shows online... Well, I'm not omniscient, but I'd say this doesn't happen. The whole fansubbing scene and the distribution that surrounds it seems to be pretty limited to anime (and maybe a little with drama stuff as well) from jpn to the west. That's been my observation so far, at least.

Actually if you visit the Chinese/Korean fansubbing scene, you will find that their fansubbing/distribution of Japanese dramas/animes gives the American scene a severe smackdown.

[Gold_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Yebyosh

Actually if you visit the Chinese/Korean fansubbing scene, you will find that their fansubbing/distribution of Japanese dramas/animes gives the American scene a severe smackdown.

Probably due to lax laws and enforcement thereof

Western fansubbing groups do a better job of presenting the overall experience; ie. Korean fansub groups aim primarily for speed and will release v2, v3, v4 of scripts later on if anybody bothers to correct them. Of course, since they are releasing scripts exclusively they usually make several timed scripts for each type of raw you can find on Winny, but there are no hard subs, no effects, no typesetting, almost no karaoke, etc. The timing is also usually somewhat poorly done, but in exchange you get the scripts usually within a day of the anime airing on TV in Japan.

[Yebyosh]

Originally Posted by Gold_Rogers

Probably due to lax laws and enforcement thereof

Western fansubbing groups do a better job of presenting the overall experience; ie. Korean fansub groups aim primarily for speed and will release v2, v3, v4 of scripts later on if anybody bothers to correct them. Of course, since they are releasing scripts exclusively they usually make several timed scripts for each type of raw you can find on Winny, but there are no hard subs, no effects, no typesetting, almost no karaoke, etc. The timing is also usually somewhat poorly done, but in exchange you get the scripts usually within a day of the anime airing on TV in Japan.

I do not understand Korean so I cannot state what is their situation there.

But if you think Chinese fansubbing scene is the same, then you obviously never tried to find out what is going on there cause you are dead wrong. A lot of Chinese fansubs conveys a very very good overall experience (speed, accuracy of translation and quality). Anyways this is getting offtopic.

More on-topic...

Originally Posted by Gold_Rogers

Probably due to lax laws and enforcement thereof

True. But not lax laws. More like the people buying/viewing the pirated stuff don't give a damn. It is the culture ingrained. The region around here is a landmine for people trying to protect IP and make a living out of it. Those that succeed are few and have to keep fighting very hard to stay alive. With the population around here, this is the biggest market (continental-wise) but it is likely you won't get the same percentage of success as in America. I found very few to support the idea of buying a DVD if the show is good, if they can buy a bootleg for $5 even at the risk of bad quality.

Time will tell if the culture changes or gets worse.

[Yogo_Pogo]

laws got flaws. even if there was a law it will not be respected. people these days don't respect anything. When i go to animesuki and find that an anime that i was watching is licenced i'm sad bacause i know that i don't know where to find dvds of lots of anime. i think that depends on the country your living. Sailor monon for exemple we can find the dvd. in canada the serie aired but in quebec they never aired it totally. i know that this anime sucked but the point is that not everyone that download anime got the same chance to buy or even see on tv the anime they liked. This makes me want to learn japanese go there and leave there.
I think that the problem of lisenced anime is not limited to anime. The manga you find online may never be lisenced too. I'm saying that even , if for me, it's more easy to find manga than anime.