(L) Tokyo Ravens

[RPG_Fanatic]

I rather liked this episode. Amami avoided his death flag like a boss. Nice to see Kagami have a normal conversation with Harutora, and even gie his some encouragement/advice. Can't wait to see what happens next.

Originally Posted by Kleeyook

I have been wondering. Is it common for someone with massive amount of spiritual energy to not have the very basic requirement to become an onmyouji, spirit vision, like Harutora?

It's just weird...

Same here. I can't help but thinking that Harutora's spiritual energy was sealed as a child and becoming Natsume's familiar unlocked the seal.

[ChampDream]

I like how Amami manage to fool Hirata and like how the final twist was how Hirata was Takiko all this time.

[Cloudedmind]

I like how for once we have a legitimate reason for why the bad guy decides to monologue and tell the good guy his evil plans. xD

[felix]

Hm. While I can see how Harutora is an idiot he sure outdid himself with the "wannabe magical kindergarden teacher," hopefully he listens to Reiji and actually aims for something more useful.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

I like how for once we have a legitimate reason for why the bad guy decides to monologue and tell the good guy his evil plans. xD

I know right? I'm guessing Takiko had gotten caught in his illusion/hypnosis as soon she stopped bring the sword down on him.

Also dat "Unlimited Fan Works."

Originally Posted by felix

Hm. While I can see how Harutora is an idiot he sure outdid himself with the "wannabe magical kindergarden teacher," hopefully he listens to Reiji and actually aims for something more useful.

Not that don't mind or don't want Harutora aimed higher, but being a teacher is hardly a bad thing. His idealization of Ohtomo has clearly had some effect on him to consider that path. However, Harutora is at an age where he still has time to decide what to do.

[NutShell]

woah amami vs hirata battle was good, next week maybe we will see shiver slicing that big guy who part of 2 horn syndicate

[Lexxus]

This anime is really good. Good thing this was a 2-cour. So the way the story goes, what volume will the anime end?

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Also dat "Unlimited Fan Works."

Hah. That's what I thought when I saw that

[felix]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Not that don't mind or don't want Harutora aimed higher, but being a teacher is hardly a bad thing. His idealization of Ohtomo has clearly had some effect on him to consider that path. However, Harutora is at an age where he still has time to decide what to do.

Well the problem is simple. He wants to be a teacher of a profession that has a 50/50 chance of getting his students killed even when someone competent teaches them; look no further then Ohtomo's results. There's little point in teaching anything to anyone under those circumstances before putting his own neck on the line a few times; at least anyone with half a brain cell and half a heart wouldn't aim to teaching others what he himself doesn't know first hand. Right now all he can teach them is the holy anime profession of being a clueless male lead that accidentally saves his friends.

I really feel the plot is trying too hard to make a Haru into a stupid-dog at this point, and sadly I fail to recall any series/game where this ended well.

[Tenzen12]

You seems have impression every onmyoudo is fighter from some reason, but that's not truth at all. Only few selected one actualy become exorcist. And school system is set in accordance with it. Yeah there are some combat lecture and these should be indeed handled by profesionals, but there various theories, spells engeneering, history and other by no means less important parts of onmyoji.

If Harutora wanted he can be as well excelent teacher, even without ever stepping on battlefield.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by MisaoFan

Spoiler for Episode 16:

This is the beginning of the suffering train that looks like it wouldn't stop no matter how it have a happy ending. Kyouko's father is the epitome of evil plans, with everyone not surviving the despair. Kagami sure is bringing an interesting question to how and why Harutora is forced to become an onmyoji as well the secrets behind Yakou, then there was Ryou foreshadowing everything. The battle between Takiko (as Hirata) and Kyouko's dad wasn't too bad, their familiars look creepy though. The ending really shocked me, it's like everything that seemed normal at first actually are the cards being connected to something so great I couldn't resist. The anime actually turns out to be a mediocre adaptation of a good source material, which saddens me a bit (it's not like there aren't many shows that ended up like that before, but still, it could have been worse), but regardless it was alright as a stand alone work.

Strange. I couldn't find any mention of Kyouko's father anywhere. Can anyone tell me what time he appeared?

Hot damn. Takiko must be something else to pull the wool over an entire audience of divine generals.

As a side note, did anyone else notice that there were WOMEN as well as men among Yakou's devotees? I know that it should have been obvious, but it's somewhat gratifying to know. Whoever Yakou is, he's gonna be one hell of a lucky guy when he wakes up.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by felix

Well the problem is simple. He wants to be a teacher of a profession that has a 50/50 chance of getting his students killed even when someone competent teaches them; look no further then Ohtomo's results. There's little point in teaching anything to anyone under those circumstances before putting his own neck on the line a few times; at least anyone with half a brain cell and half a heart wouldn't aim to teaching others what he himself doesn't know first hand. Right now all he can teach them is the holy anime profession of being a clueless male lead that accidentally saves his friends.

I really feel the plot is trying too hard to make a Haru into a stupid-dog at this point, and sadly I fail to recall any series/game where this ended well.

By that logic Onmyo teachers (or any profession that dealt something dangerous like the police, FBI etc) won't exist in the first place. You're using special circumstances with Twin Horn as the norm to judge how the world Onmyoudo is. Yes, Ohtomo has gone through some trials, but that's part aspect of his (former) job and that of his own personality. There are also plenty of teachers and personal in the Agency who don't go through as much and are heavily involved in magic. Tenma's parents ran a company that sold familiars for everyday use for example, this would not have possible without being taught magic. It didn't involve fighting either.

Furthermore if someone wants learn how to use magic to enter the Agency and benefit to society while preventing it's misuse then hardly stupid for anyone to teach them how. They just need to know the risks and decide if that's okay with them.

Originally Posted by Lexxus

This anime is really good. Good thing this was a 2-cour. So the way the story goes, what volume will the anime end?

Vol 9 and look like 8bit is going to devote 4 episodes to that.

[ookamigirl]

Harutora got himself a "stalker".
Well, at lest this time he got some useful input.
It was about time someone pointed out the reality to him.
He really needs to start getting serious about his path in life.
The rest of the episode was much more interesting.
An unexpected fight certainly made things better.

[felix]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

By that logic Onmyo teachers (or any profession that dealt something dangerous like the police, FBI etc) won't exist in the first place. You're using special circumstances with Twin Horn as the norm to judge how the world Onmyoudo is. Yes, Ohtomo has gone through some trials, but that's part aspect of his (former) job and that of his own personality. There are also plenty of teachers and personal in the Agency who don't go through as much and are heavily involved in magic. Tenma's parents ran a company that sold familiars for everyday use for example, this would not have possible without being taught magic. It didn't involve fighting either.

Furthermore if someone wants learn how to use magic to enter the Agency and benefit to society while preventing it's misuse then hardly stupid for anyone to teach them how. They just need to know the risks and decide if that's okay with them.

It doesn't make sense for Harutora since while his situation is extreme, he doesn't necessarily know that or see it as that different from what his "future students" would face, at this time. I mean nobody around him ever made a fuss over it, so from his point of view that's how things are normally. And I actually don't think the current state of things is actually that different then normal; at least I haven't seen any indication of things being better given how skilled some of the generals and villains have been.

Essentially, in context his ambitions kind of stink.

[Tenzen12]

You are making it sound like math teacher has responsibility be excelent in chinese language as you never know where his student will need it. That's simply is not truth. Teacher not just doesn't have to, but in first place can't be expert in every subject.

For battles students have combat instructors. For everything else are other specialists. If he wanted teach students fight you might be right, if he wanted just teach it completely different issue.

And Kagami said that himself only snipped of students every get into battlefield others go into civil sector. Aside of common logic it's explicitly said by specialist so It's obvious omnyou prep school isn't attacked every wednesday and friday. Only reason why nobody,made fuss about thing is cause "everyone" in question around are either specialist or from distinguish family.

We have one person that bring perspective of normal student here and that's Tenma who is far from "not making any fuss".

[Aqua Knight]

Why are studios so lazy to make a normal new OP without reuse of old scenes????
This also applies to Samurai Flamenco.

[felix]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

You are making it sound like math teacher has responsibility be excelent in chinese language as you never know where his student will need it. That's simply is not truth. Teacher not just doesn't have to, but in first place can't be expert in every subject.

You are tacking Harutora's decision out of the context of his current fictional life. If his decision is actually completely indifferent to his experience so far then that makes it even more stupid.

With regard to your example, if the math teacher growing up sees every "math student" around him fail because of Chinese language (assuming he can only perceive them as legitimate reasons) then he's pretty shit if he doesn't try to at least inform his students of the "dangers of not knowing Chinese" in the context of his life.

It works the other way round too, if Harutora or the math teacher sees something that is completely legitimate but perceives it as nonsensical then it makes no sense for him to base some "life choices" on what is from his perspective and in his context a completely nonsensical decision. We may very well know the future and tell his decision is the right one, it makes his decision in said context no less stupid. Just being the right decision from our perspective (or some scientific axiom) doesn't mean it was a smart decision from the fiction/character perspective if it conflicts with the characters experience.

[Tenzen12]

Now you lost me

Are you trying say that cause Harutora get involved in fight, he has some kind of responsibility make his life revolve around magical battles forever? Or that he is more capable and experienced than actual profesionals? I realy don't know as neither possibility make any sense.

[felix]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Are you trying say that cause Harutora get involved in fight, he has some kind of responsibility make his life revolve around magical battles forever?

I'm just saying what I said earlier, his aims in life are either nonsensical or stupid... based on what the plot has described as "his life" (ie. the context of his ambitions).

[Death Usagi]

So I wonder if this means Takiko is going to become an antagonist D:...

[Ickarium]

My guess is she's supposed to represent a Knight Templar. IE, she's not as bad as the Yakou extremists as she's not as ... ah ... crazy, but she still has taken whatever Yakou's other goal was and is killing people over it.

Which reminds me. Wonder what his other goal was other than the school.