2006-01-31, 10:18 | Link #41 | |
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Kanon was considered by Milo to have the power to pulverized him if he wanted to (refer to Chapter where Milo is doing the Scarlet Needle to Kannon) However this do not means that Kanon is above everyone, Ikki, In the Poseidom Chapter also did the observation that Compared to Saga, he wasn’t that strong, Even Kanon himself, when Attacked by Saga, was amused By what He could do. Now regarding Radahmantis attack to Kannon, remember that Kannon have the Gold Cloth on, this are the Strongest cloth, so this give the Gold Saint a lot of protection. If you want to have a much clear notions of the Gold Saints power level, and who is stronger than who, Reading the G-Episodes should help a lot: the strongest gold Saints in the series so far has been (No specific order): Shion, Dhoko, Aioros, Saga, kannon, Shaka, Mu. The others are not that far in terms of power. |
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2006-01-31, 13:11 | Link #42 |
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Milo didn't say that kanon could pulverize him if he wanted to. He said that Kanon COULD defeat him if he was willing to fight. That's a big difference, meaning that both of them are in equal ground.
As for the strongest gold saints I think they are: Shaka, saga and dokho. As for, Kanon, Mu, aioria, Milo, kamus and capricorn they are all about the same level of power. --------------------------- As for Kanon being able to stand against ramadanthys attack was due the fact that he wasn't affected by the magic shield that surrounded the castle, which greatly decreases the powers of outsiders, as stated by Kanon and ramadanthys when they fought. Had the conditions been different ramanthys wouldnt have a chance agains milo, aioria and mu combinied.
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2006-01-31, 13:53 | Link #43 | ||
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So no, they are not in equal grounds. Aioros (The Sagitarius Saint just in case) BTW as shown in the G-Episode, He is far Stronger than your average, indeed we can say he is on equal with SAGA. He was though to be Shion replacement and Kurumada have a soft spot for Him and Seiya (both, as him are born under Saggitarius !) I also accept Mu to be in another level, because he has some abilities that are difficult to match like teh Staelight Extintion or the Stardus revolutions, wich are both of then a instant Kill atack, also, if you put Dohko in you list you have to put Shion, it was very well implied that they were equal. Quote:
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2006-02-01, 19:00 | Link #44 |
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Milo wasnt fighting kanon seriously, he was testing him. He wanted to see how much punishment he was able to take without regreting saying that he was loyal to athena.
When the 3 gold saints fought randamantys under the magic shield they were fighting with only 1/10 of their powers, as it was clearly explained in the manga. Kanon was not wounded by his attack because he was able to move at the speed of light, and then he commented that he felt much lighter than when he was at the castle. Randamthys replied that there was no need for a magic barrier in the underworld because the only thing that they expect is dead people. The bronzee siants on the other hand, were able to fight with all their might because their armor was covered by athenas blood, which is able to counter the effects of the shield. This is also explained in the manga as well. Kanon isn't superior to any of the 3 gold saints due to these reasons. As for Sagitarious and shion being one of the most powerful saints, I agree with you. But unfortunately, I can't take them into account because they belong to the past of saint seiya.
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Saga maybe stronger than Kanon but their power level are not that far away, in fact, Saga was ocunting on Kanon to be his replacement, if anything should happen to him. Quote:
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Still not convinced? The 3 Gold Saints where defeated, but they were not killed By Radhamantis, in fact, the Gold Cloth where left undamaged, and those 3 where thrown alive to the Hades Hole. If you still want more, just let me know. Quote:
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2006-02-04, 13:40 | Link #47 |
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To>KIRAMISU
They started from differrent places. Seiya,Shun started in front of Styx(river)....Kanon,Shiryu,Hyoga had more luck ,because after they jumped into the abbys they were spit out somewhere behind first prison(and Dhoko somewhere else).....this is not 12 temples journey so there is no need to keep the same way for everyone... but there is a differrent thing that really disappointed me.....Hades Spectres are TOTAL LOOSERS .....ArchonVsSeiya..comic,easy...OK first fight,warm up for Seiya,interesting arena.....LuneVsSeiya,Shun..quite interesting,good Lune's voice,easy thing for Kanon...Rhadam.VsKanon..YES..but not real fight..waiting for next confrontation, PharaoVsSeiya,Shun...some bad animated doggy(it is Cerberos-wasn't it some silver saint before??),another music attack??..oh NO...then came Orpheus and....YES..nice Orpheus&Euridike story(came from greek mythology), nice music contest but...when it was getting cool(i mean that heart attack on Pharao)...>next picture and Pharao without a scratch(censored??)...and then came most disapponting phase...ShiryuVsGolem....HyogaVs another looser.....why so short,where is some background,Spectres motivation(i mean, why they are fighting for Hades..how they came to the Underworld...who were they before became Spectres ).........I hope next fights will be better....and also animation should be improved.
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2006-02-05, 16:50 | Link #48 |
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Concerning the first two ovas, basically they messed up all the show.
- The opening was hell of a gay opening for Saint Seiya, it doesn't fit at all with the typical music the show allways had. - The new seyuus, seems to be the only positive aspect about the new ova, they tried hard to aproximate the ancient seyuus and really achieved that, if you listen closely, only that way you can say that the guy behind seiya it's the same guy behind Ichigo in Bleach. Shun in the other hand, became even more sissy. - The animation seems to be ever cheaper than it was 20 years ago (well, not that much but...), I mean, the characters hardly moves at all. It should have followed the footsteps of the sanctuary chapter animation instead. - Colour - the overall colour is too brigt, too much lively colours for a show called inferno. - Blood - inexistent. C'mon, Saint Seiya is/was a brutal and violent show and pretty bloody, it showed blood in almost every episode ('nuff said). It makes me think that they want to change this show to a kidies show (they also did that with the PS2 game!). In conclusion, as a longtime fan, Knowing Saint seiya for more than 15 years now and having read the manga, I became pretty much desilusioned with these new OVAs of Saint Seiya, I feel almost like wanting to kill the entire damn cast. Am I alone in this line of thought? BTW, it seems that the second round has already been released, I'm leeching the 2 OVAs by the time of this post, just hope that the files doesn't comes in a weird language and comes in english. |
2006-02-05, 18:45 | Link #49 |
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I am a little dissapointed. The show was so much better before. When did Seiya became such a brat? And the fights is too short. I didn't like the ichigo voice either...
It suprices me that there isnt more group subbing this , I hoped that several groups would compete in speed and quality ... the show did indeed had tons of fans. |
2006-02-05, 22:09 | Link #50 |
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Ragnarokr, regarding the blood and gore, I think they are trying to make the Series a little more accesible to young age people, thus, a lot of the good stuff is just not included, I know how you fill about it..but Shonen Manga has been animated like this as of late...
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2006-02-06, 17:52 | Link #51 |
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Well, I was pretty happy with what I saw. Oddly, some of the very things that others found disappointing, I found refreshing -- though I can understand why others would disagree with me.
As for the new voice actors, it was as I expected -- different from the original ones, yet they did a good job. (Though I too would not have minded if Shun had become less sissified rather than the opposite....) As for Seiya being bratty, I've long thought that he could potentially be that way, and that there were opportunities for humor as a result. I'm thinking of one of the few funny moments in the TV series, when the normally restrained Hyoga hurried to clap his hand over Seiya's mouth after they had learned about the Steel Saints -- and right in front of Saori, Seiya launched into a speech along the lines of, "Gee, and all this time I thought your grandfather was just a mean old man who always mmpht --" "Hey, watch your mouth, Seiya!" Indeed, the whole show has been so serious up until now, that I didn't mind some attempts at comic relief, since I figure the tearjerker parts are bound to come soon enough. Particularly where Seiya was screaming at the top of his lungs at the judge who wanted things quiet -- with Shun playing the role of the straight man. "WAKATTA KAAAAAAAAAAAA???!!!" (echo echo echo) I am also happy about the setup of hell being apparently similar to what Dante envisioned in Inferno, since I have loved that book for years. Though I do admit yelling at Seiya after his fight with the ferryman: "Nice going, doofus. Now how are all the nice dead people supposed to cross the river?" I will admit that I found Seiya calling the ferryman "baaaa-ka" a little unnecessary, but still funny and not necessarily out of character. Like the new opening theme, I looked at it as attempts to find some balance between bringing the show into the year 2006, and maintaining the original flavor. I also didn't care for Spoiler:
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2006-02-06, 22:47 | Link #52 |
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Totally agree with you guys, isnt it amazing that before they were released everyone was like oh no the new dubbing cast is gonna ruin it but in fact i think they do a great job especially seiya.The animation really sucks some times its a mixture of great scenes and drawings then they go and ruin it with things like 'the kanon shiryu hyoga running scene' i mean what was everyone out on lunch break and the cleaning lady finished it off for them??
but anyway the new Inferno chapter is ok and your comment about it being too colourful for a hell chapter is so right.I the watched Hades Juuni kyu hen chapter the other day and forgot how great it was really Saint Seiya in its prime after a long time away great voices great acting great music ect ect but also it is so DARK and Mysterious really everything Inferno is not |
2006-02-12, 03:11 | Link #53 |
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After watch the 4 new ovas, i can say i'm really disappointed. It's obviously very low budget - and boring. I don't know, looks more like a fan homage than a professional release.
New seiyuus are mostly ok, except for Shun. His new one just kills the character. Ugh. That's really sad, but i'm still crossing my fingers for a nice ending with parts 5 and 6. |
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2006-02-16, 17:42 | Link #57 | |
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2006-02-26, 20:34 | Link #60 | |
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http://www.seiya-subtitles.net/main.php I really enjoyed episodes 5 and 6 the storys just starting to get interesting and I think after Kurumada has finished spending on Ring ne Kakero (which sucks ass) I think more effort will go into the next batch of episodes and of course the movie of Elisyion and the animators will have more time to do the job and not make mistakes like the famous 'Kanon' screenshot thats going around the web at the moment which is the perfect example of a rush job on the new saint seiya episodes so far |
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