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To tell the truth, 3rd and 4th place finish is what I am least confident about. I wouldn't be surprised to see either Shindouji or Shiraitodai in last place. |
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2013-03-06, 12:33 | Link #3082 |
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Likewise, the mood of Nodoka should gave us hint whether Achiga made it or not. Of course we are speculating here, but if anything I hope Shizu's performance next chapter would inspire something in Saki other than fear. Something positive you know or else...
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2013-03-06, 15:06 | Link #3085 | |
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So can someone explain to me why everyone thinks "Shiraitodai is guaranteed to make the finals" (Yes, Shiraitodai is a strong school... but all the teams in the semi-final are strong!) Is the entire idea that "Shiraitodai is guaranteed to make the finals" based on a five second preview (showing Yuuki vs Teru) at the end of season 1 from way back in 2009? Is there anything else? |
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2013-03-06, 16:05 | Link #3086 |
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You are serious? You really don't get why its almost a sure thing that Shiraitodai is going to the finals?
As for Shiraitodai going to the finals which argument do you want? Story-telling perspective? Strength? Or current flow of the last match? Let's see. Storytelling perspective. Shiraitodai is undoubtedly the last boss of the tournament. They are the favorite to win. Heck, they won it for the last two years. I don't know about you, but I can't see Achiga, Senriyama or Shindouji replacing their spot. Even if they fell short of their hype, Shiraitodai as a whole is still the strongest team in Side-A. There is also in term of potentiality. Senriyama, Shindouji and yes even Achiga barring any strategy that Akado can come up with has already shown all their cards. This still hasn't happened with Shiraitodai. Teru, Sumire and Takami can still get scarier. Beside that, Saki entire motivation is talking to Teru through mahjong. And I'm beginning to believe that this 'talking' can be done indirectly. Consider this, Saki and Teru refuse to watch each other match. The only match that they will be forced to actually watch each other is when their team face each other. Perhaps there is something they want the other sibling to see/understand about their current playstyle? As for the current match. I, myself, has been burned by the Awai hype. But, really. Awai is doing good all things considered. Just look at the point difference. She's raking a lot of points. The only plausible scenario for Shiraitodai to lose this current battle is if Awai was hitted directly by the incoming dealer yakuman. And even then, some calculations show that they will be able to retain second or even first simply to the high value hands that Awai was making.
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2013-03-06, 16:50 | Link #3087 |
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You know, thinking about it, on one hand Awai didn't really feel like she lived up to the hype, but on the other hand, that's partially because Senriyama and Shindouji are both running freaking ridiculous mahjong hax abilities at the table. Or as I like to call them, 'auto-win' abilities. And unlike alot of other hax mahjong auto-win abilities like pursuit riichi or even Saki's Rinshan Kaihou, which require a certain 'condition' to activate, these abilities activate at the very start of the match. Starting from Shindouji, it seems to be literally impossible to win in a match where they have a combo 'key' for, this being based off both speculation from other characters and what's been observed so far, to the point that I don't really think even Teru could break their combo play. Furthermore, this ability seems to have a higher priority than all other abilities seen thus far (in that if there are two auto-win abilities, this one comes out on top). Next there's Senriyama's newfound toki hax which is possibly even more hax than normal toki by herself. Solo Toki can see some turns into the future, but now with their combo play it's not even that, it's similar to Shindouji in that it's over at the start of the match. Toki reveals exactly what the best winning hand will be, and the steps needed to be taken to reach there. Has a lower priority than Shindouji but higher than Awai's supernova. Now onto Awai, her ability lets her basically get a pretty high scoring win as long as those two other auto-win hax abilities aren't activated. This may make it seem worse, but on the other hand, it's not nearly as limited as the other two. Shindouji can only use their combo play on certain hands where they manage to get a key for, and Senriyama only has a limited number of 'charges'. On the other hand, Awai can spam her ability infinitely, without any sort of possibly limits. And then, somewhat similar to Takami, it gets ridiculous when Awai's the dealer. Although Takami's true terror would come if she's dealer in the last hand, think about the situation where Senriyama is out of charges and Shindouji doesn't have any keys, and it's Awai's dealer. They'd literally have no possible way to break through, considering Awai's also passive ability of making everyone else start with terrible hands. In other words, if nobody else at the table has at least a hax mahjong ability on the level of 'automatic win the game', Awai will dealer repeat Hanemans until everybody's dead.
Of course, this isn't including Imagine Breaker Mountain Climber Shizu, who I'm hoping breaks all three of their hax abilities in the same game.
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Tell me which of the following sounds more impressive: 1) Shiraitodai (the champion for the last two years) + some other school 2) The two schools "even stronger than Shiraitodai" It happens all the time in fiction that someone is introduced as the "last boss" only to be defeated by someone even more powerful before the showdown with the heros ever happens. For example, Take Androids 17 and 18 who get taken out by Cell in Dragon Ball Z. If all you want is the strongest possible opponents for the final, then two schools "even stronger than Shiraitodai" is the best you can get. Quote:
Teru (and Shizuno for now) are the only characters in the semi-finals who haven't "shown all their cards". Quote:
Besides, if Saki and Teru do manage to communicate, what happens to the epic Saki VS Teru showdown that will happen in the individuals? It becomes much less relevent and exciting. Quote:
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What we will get if that happens is negative hype with the expectation that Side-B will stomp your candidate from Side-A. Quote:
Let's see on Yuu vs. Sumire.. I have a confession to make. I absolutely loathe the idea of Sumire's tell. I think that it would be better if it didn't exist because it single-handedly made the plot armor of Achiga sing I'm here! I'm here! that I even took notice. Most of the time, I'm trying to avoid thinking that it happened because I really like Yuu and I don't want that single action to color my judgement. Kapeesh? On Takami vs Ako Even if Takami never got her stupid yakuman just the possibility of it happening is limiting to Ako. Ako's playstyle is fast hands and it really should be covered by dealer repeats to make most of it. This round by nature won't really gain much points. Or if Takami get her last dealer... a slaughter against Ako. And your last point of comparison is err... Shizu vs. Teru and the possibility of their hidden ace... Err... do I have to make a comparison of this? I don't think Monkey deserve a total curbstomp. How about Awai vs. Shizu? A bit doable... 1 on 1. I think that Awai will win against Shizu. This is because Shizu has shown no way of stopping passive abilities like 6-shanten. Besides, I have a feeling that Shizu's ability is conditional meaning it isn't active or consciously controlled. Its more likely that it will only be active if certain rolls of the dice are made. On the other hand as a previous poster has pointed out, Awai's ability is active all the time. A big plus. Quote:
And no. Yuuki isn't going to communicate on Saki's behalf. Its just like Hisa vs. Bundou... Bundou or Hisa never communicated anything to each other but there is still something received from the battle on the watcher (Mihoko). And a Shiraitodai vs. Kiyosumi won't devalue whatever fight Saki vs. Teru will have in the individuals. It is more likely that whatever the result, Saki vs. Teru will get even more intense because whoever might be the winner in this clash - it would result in the siblings being forced to confront each other than the outright avoidance they are currently doing right now.
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Sumire used her sniping in four games: +8000 +2600 -12000 -2100 Total impact of sniping -3500 points Sumire lost 8800 points during the Sergeant battle, and the majority of that (5300 points) came from games where she didn't try to snipe. Quote:
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Anyway, Sumire only used her sniping in four games precisely because of the tell. If there was no tell, Sumire should be sniping till the end of the match garnering her more points. The points: +8000 +2600 -12000 -2100 The bolded -12,000 happened exactly due to the tell. If you take this off, Sumire will be getting positive points and Yuu would be losing 12,000 on the final score. It should even more than that because Sumire's attack would be successful. Besides, the fact that Sumire still managed to do that without her ability is actually to be commended. Quote:
If Shiraitodai placed lower than Achiga on this match, it doesn't necessarily meant that Achiga is stronger. Using your dragonball analogy, for example the fight with Raditz. It was Picolo who dealt the killing blow and Goku and Raditz died. Picolo is the lone survivor but you don't say in that fight that Picolo was the strongest of them, do you? Quote:
Hmmm... that was because Hisa told them too. And they really can't help in the ensuing matches. On the other hand, the coming matches is someone Saki and Teru should be familiar with. And their teammates should be desperate for any advice against their counterpart. Still, I give you that there is a slight possibility that Saki and Teru will not watch the vanguard and captain match. It will be really cold of them if they chose to do so, though.
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You are forgetting that Yuuki's skill is being recognized by not only Rinkai's coach and Satoha (who's only in 3rd because Teru, and Kei is seen as dangerous monster. As well that Yuuki is holding her ground against Satoha, meaning she will be able to fight Teru on even footing. There's also Harue now training Kuri in basically being able to play without her dora, as well that Kuro will get a much needed upgrade to her ability. Also I see all of Achiga about to receive a massive power up. Effectively they made it to the finals, meaning that its time for them to show Harue that you can get by without ridiculous hack abilities and just have decent skill or average abilities. I also the possibility of Kuro' starting hand having all 8 dora in it at the start. Quote:
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Also something to note is Senriyama maybe ranked 2nd in the country, they are not the 2nd strongest. They placed 4th in the last nationals. Which implies Sera got destoryed by Jindai, then Teru completely destoryed Ryuuka. |
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2013-03-06, 22:05 | Link #3095 | |
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Developing a natural conter to Sumire's style by having learn from experience.
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