2013-05-12, 02:49 | Link #7125 | |
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But whatever use they serve, their personality has nothing to do with their title as an ace. It can certainly add to their character if that's what the character needs in its role, but not about being an ace. |
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2013-05-12, 07:29 | Link #7126 |
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Miguel is an ace? He's not even a redcoat right?
I guess he has to be good enough to be assigned to the Creuset team, but he's probably a tier below Rusty, Athrun, Nicol, Dearka, and Yzak.
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2013-05-12, 11:19 | Link #7129 |
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What's that got to do with anything?
From my view being a redcoat is like having the best grades in your high school class/year. Sure having straight A's means your pretty smart and likely to succeed. But that doesn't mean someone with straight B+'s can't be just as successful or more so. @monster All Heine needed was the situational awareness that a pilot of his caliber and experience should have to know that Kira didn't touch anyone he disarmed in the very battle he died in. Not to mention the fact he should have had access to the same intel Rey/Shinn used to exploit Kira's not going for the kill. Are you seriously going to say ZAFT had absolutely no records on how the Freedom fought? Or that Heine was to stupid and or arrogant to look for such info? |
2013-05-12, 12:27 | Link #7130 |
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didn't heine die in like in the First fight with the Freedom? how would he be able look up all the info on the Freedom like Shinn and Rey. Of course he knew of the freedom when everybody was flipping out about the Freedom's presence wasn't he more "who do you think you guys are shooting everybody?"
When you really think about Heine's skills, i really think the only way to get him killed would be something like a careless error (not looking behind him) because any and all battles beyond that point were more and more grunt suits he wouldn't have had any problems keeping up with Shinn, Rey, Luna, Or Arthun heck he may even do better. It would also have been very interesting if he was around in the Impulse VS Freedom and Battle of Orb how possibly he could have changed outcomes of those battles
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2013-05-12, 13:42 | Link #7131 |
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So your saying ZAFT had absolutely no footage of the Freedom from the second battle of Jachin Due or the battle of Onogoro? We know Creuset was at Onogoro. Why the heck wouldn't he be recording it for future reference to study how the new suits like Calamity, Raider, and Forbidden fought?
I mean the Freedom is considered the most powerful MS of the time working in unison with one of the most powerful warships of the time in the Archangel. Are you seriously telling me some ZAFT scmuck didn't go holy shit this isn't good the second they learned they where active again. And distribute every detail of info ZAFT had at the time on the Freedom/Archangel to every ship/base in the fleet on the off chance that they engaged ZAFT forces for some reason? I mean the Freedom/Archangel do have a history with ZAFT after all. It would be stupid if ZAFT forces where not as fully prepared as humanly possible to face them. |
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2013-05-12, 14:07 | Link #7134 |
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That's exactly what I'm saying. His whole attitude toward the Freedom makes no sense considering what we know of Heine's history. He should have been familiar enough with it so he didn't act like a complete noob when Freedom showed up. Yet that's exactly what he did, he acted like a noob and got disarmed for his trouble. Than got himself killed because he got angry over what Kira did to him.
Heine's whole reaction to the Freedom makes him look either arrogant or stupid. At worst it makes him look both, stupidly arrogant. @monster And how exactly would Heine be able to effect the Freedom with no weapons exactly? Was he planning to pull an Athrun and self destruct his unit in an attempt to destroy the Freedom? Uhm, the whole world knew the Archangel/Freedom where active since Kira "kidnapped" Cagalli during her wedding which to my knowledge was broadcast live such that Luna knew about it when Athrun arrived on the Minerva. They just didn't know where the heck they went after "kidnapping" Cagalli. So why the bloody heck would ZAFT or EA not prepare for the possibility of them engaging in battle? And Heine could make a reasonable guess based on how the Freedom was acting up to his own death. Last edited by S.Freedom; 2013-05-12 at 14:20. |
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So, like I said, Heine can't assume anything, especially in a battlefield. |
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2013-05-12, 15:01 | Link #7136 |
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So because Durandal didn't give any orders the rest of ZAFT lost any and all concept of common sense. Cool, nice to know that because my boss doesn't give me an order I get a free pass on being stupid.
Perhaps it's just my crazy way of thinking. But if there's a rumor of an insanely powerful MS that happens to be supported by an equally powerful warship. I'd do my damndest to make sure I was prepared to go up against said units on the off chance said rumor happened to be true. |
2013-05-12, 15:37 | Link #7138 | |
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Also, I don't think you understand how big the final battle of SEED was. Alaska and the two Minerva interventions were the only times that the Freedom really became the center of attention for ZAFT soldiers to warrant such detailed analysis as Rey was doing outside of a planned attack. But that's beside the point. Regardless of what you think Heine should've known, the Freedom is still largely an unknown and Heine simply could not react fast enough by the time Stella had closed in on him. They could know of it or even its appearance, but that doesn't really mean much. |
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2013-05-12, 15:45 | Link #7139 | |
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Then have a Heine Destiny fighting instead Then give Legend to uhhhh.......Durandal? (I cant see Luna being able to utilize it) |
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2013-05-12, 16:44 | Link #7140 | |
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what i was meaning with Heine, like he could get lot more details on the Freedom because he died before the Freedom was considered an enemy of ZAFT. why would any commander look into an old suit from the previous war to find it strengths and weaknesses if they never knew it was coming. every time the AA/Freedom showed up it was a random encounter its not like they could prepare for that.
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