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The writers have used the 'destiny' card in this show and from past viewing history I think when a show uses it, it almost always trumps anything that gets in the way. Especially since the main theme keeps getting reinforced and repeated on a regular basis. I guess you could see this as Aiko's 'struggle against destiny'. Could be an interesting little theme of its own if you want to look at it that way I think Aiko may even have a sense of this since she has known for some time that Shin has liked Hiromi for probably a number of years. What Aiko did was a bold but desperate act. While it served as a good cliffhanger and raised expectations, I don't think it will accomplish what Aiko wanted or change anything long term. We'll have to wait and see. She has her own little story arc with Shin that's separate from the main one of Shin-Noe-Hiromi. They will need to resolve this but I don't see her getting that much additional screen time at the expense of the other girls when they have important developments coming. I would think that her potential for cliffhangers has dropped now that both Shin and Nobuse know her feelings but the writers may surprise me. Plot twists, interesting developments and drama all serve to entertain and draw us into the show. If a viewer watches without looking at the overall direction or theme of the show then it's easy to get pulled in different directions by the actions of the characters. It's why a lot of viewers change their opinions of the characters on a weekly basis and suddenly think one girl's chances rose or dropped based on what she or someone else did in that episode, or think one girl's chances has plummeted because of a plot device (hint: Shin's mother). If I missed out on this show until after all the episodes aired I would just watch and get tugged in all sorts of directions while watching it. Since I'm watching it week by week I can't help but try to decipher what will go on by analyzing clues. I'm impatient that way about a good show that really catches my interest. Quote:
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2008-02-23, 21:01 | Link #63 |
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But what's your alternate theory, then? Who else would Hiromi undress herself for at this point in the story and why? And with that look on her face? It's nice to say that doesn't look like his shirt, but if not, then what is it? The shirt wars continue...
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2008-02-23, 21:02 | Link #64 |
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Well, his shirt always had some element of purple in it before despite whatever lighting level (high, low) there was.
That red shirt on the bottom pic has no hint of purple. In fact it's a lighter than average shade of red. Plus no seam lines and it's looser-fitting. Was'nt that first pic when Jun was thinking about his sister Noe after Hiromi called him out as a siscon? What was he thinking at that moment? Does anyone recognize the wall or the floor from the preview clip? That would help because if it's at Shin's house then that is definitely not Jun in the red shirt. |
2008-02-23, 22:03 | Link #66 | |
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I also identified the room as either Hiromi's room or the dining room. If you look at episode 5 at 16:22 and 16:25 you will see the green floor with the black line and then the wall that looks like the one in the preview clip. That's from Hiromi's room. You can't see the smaller green lines in the clip from Hiromi's room at episode 5 16:22 but the dining also has the same carpeting and you can see it looks very similar at episode 2 12:46, this time with smaller green lines because the view is closer. The dining room also has some of the same paneling as Hiromi's room. So I was right about it not being Jun's shirt. This supports the theory that Hiromi was taken back home by the police and then takes her clothes off, probably in her room instead of the dining room. I think Shin's mother is trying to talk to Hiromi in that preview clip. Feeling a little tired so it would be nice if someone wants to post a few pics for comparison. If not, I'll do it sometime later. Last edited by cloudninja; 2008-02-23 at 22:17. |
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2008-02-23, 22:20 | Link #67 | |
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I went back and checked verious previews from the previous episodes and all the events have been chronlogical with the events in the actual episode. Now I know you said that maybe they show the police car and then they show Hiromi undressing in a different place. So just why was the police at the household. Police doesn't send a patrol car for run away kids, it usually takes 24 hours before you can file a missing person case and that is done in the police station. |
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2008-02-23, 22:34 | Link #68 | |
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(If the "Shinichirou's mom" theory is true and the timeline is linear, then why is Hiromi wearing the same clothes she was wearing earlier, but the mom got changed in to the shirt she was wearing a year ago? Since we are basing all this on the corner of a shirt and all... Even with the explanations offered, I don't think we can be too quick to dismiss earlier possibilities.) |
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2008-02-23, 22:45 | Link #69 |
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Actually, it looks like a red cardigan, something you normally put on top of another shirt. Makes sense that she would add it on since it would probably be a couple hours later into the night and it's cold (it's snowing outside). Hiromi on the other hand is wearing the exact same clothes so the link is strong that this occurs a few hours after the end of episode 8.
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2008-02-23, 22:46 | Link #70 | |
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2008-02-23, 22:51 | Link #71 | |
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Really, just because Shinichirou's mom was shown once wearing a similar-looking red sweater, I'm not sure that's conclusive evidence... I mean, yes, it's possible, but... I guess I'm still not convinced it's that much more plausible. Maybe. That may be true for you, but it certainly isn't the case for me. I could certainly be convinced, but I'm just not sure that a corner of a shirt is enough evidence. I'm not interested in bragging, though. Right or wrong, the episode itself is more important, and I'm sure its explanation will make perfect sense. I won't feel bad if I "guessed wrong" (since I don't usually spend that much time speculating about such minor scenes/details anyway ) |
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2008-02-23, 22:56 | Link #72 | |
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Ahhh! this is getting tiresome. I really want episode 9 out so we can move on from this argument! |
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2008-02-23, 23:09 | Link #73 | |
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I don't know... you make it sound like it's so obvious what's happening, so what is it? Why? How does it fit with what's happened so far? Hiromi left with Jun, and then? |
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2008-02-23, 23:50 | Link #74 | |
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Shin's mother is talking to her, and It seems Hiromi doesn't care to listen to what she is saying. that is my take on what happens. Now any further argument is pointless, the only thing we can do to disprove my theory is to wait for episode 9. Any argument from anyone is pointless, my theory is as valid as any other theory until disprove by episode 9 itself. |
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2008-02-24, 00:18 | Link #75 | |
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In any case, as for the theory itself, I'm not going to argue with you obviously (you've made it pretty damn clear you won't listen anyway). My only comment is that having them be brought home by the police for that reason sort of seems to negate the impact of her decision to run off. If there's some sort of accident, or if the police are asked to find them since she didn't return home, or something like that, then that'd seem to make more sense to me from where we stand right now. Otherwise, it seems too simple an "undo" of Hiromi's decision. Who knows, though... |
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2008-02-24, 00:59 | Link #77 |
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Yes, I know that's what you said... and, in reply, I just told you that, in fact, not all theories are equally valid/believable even though they can't be absolutely proven false (though I don't necessarily see any glaring problem with your specific proposed theory). If one's going to propose a theory, I think they should be prepared to defend it against critiques, concerns, and complications. That's all...
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2008-02-24, 02:04 | Link #79 |
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Yeah; that would be so low of her is she did offer herself to Jun. I'd be more acceptable if they were a bit older like 20 or something having/treating sex as a way to forget things but damn; But there is still a possibility that preview is wrong and I hope so it is if any or else I'll be dropping this show already. I've been reading/watching far too many angsty animes and manga's I'm starting to become Emo.
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2008-02-24, 02:05 | Link #80 |
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Ok, here are the pics to prove that the red shirt in the episode 9 preview belongs to Shin's mother. The location of the episode 9 preview pic is either Hiromi's room or the dining room as they both have the same green carpet with black lines and they both have one wall that look the same. It's more likely to be Hiromi's room.
Spoiler for Hiromi episode 9 preview pic 1 showing green carpet, note the black line:
Spoiler for Hiromi episode 9 preview pic 2 showing red shirt and wall:
Here is Shin's mother wearing her cardigan. This scene is outside and during Hiromi's flashback so the color is little bit lighter. Actually the reason is that her entire flashback scene is slightly washed out compared to the rest of the episode as you can see by watching the clip in episode 6 at 11:53 compared to the rest of the episode. Even washed out, the color is very close. The shape and style of shirt matching exactly. Also, you can see she is wearing the cardigan over her usual shirt/light sweater whatever. Spoiler for Shin's mother from Hiromi's flashback in episode 6. Note that it matches closely with the red shirt in the episode 9 preview pic:
Spoiler for Hiromi's room - shows that the carpet is green and there are large black lines like the one in the episode 9 preview pic:
Spoiler for Hiromi's room - shows one of her walls, note that it matches the wall pattern from the episode 9 preview pic. :
Dining room shares the same carpet as Hiromi's room, green with black stripes. Up close, you can see the green line striations of the carpet just like the up close carpet pic from episode 9 previews although the viewpoint is a little higher so it's not as defined. Spoiler for Dining room of Shin's house - up close view:
So I have established that the location is either Hiromi's room or the dining room because they both have the same carpeting and one section of the wall that matches the episode 9 preview pics. It's more likely to be Hiromi's room. There is also the match of the red cardigan. Shin's mother does'nt have to change clothing, she just puts the cardigan over her regular shirt when it's colder. Now it's possible that the scene where she is taking off her clothes might be a flashback, but that possibility is lower than having the scene take place in the current time. At any rate, this scene happens in Shin's house and the red cardigan belongs to Shin's mother. Let's get along boys and girls. Everyone is entitled to their opinions even though some have more basis for their theories. No one is right all the time. Some things you can predict with a very high level of probability, some only a moderate level. |
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