[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 3 Banquet of the golden witch

[ClockWorkAngel]

Hmm interesting let's start this game shalt we?

At first glance Kanon must be the murderer.

This is the most obvious answer.

It incredibly obvious.

But there's the thing that bugs me the most; the use of Culprit and murderer.

This implies 2 people.

The culprit being the conspirator and the murderer the tool.

I'm laughing at this particular sentence;

-If one had listened to the 'commands' of the murderer/culprit and had done it, no matter one's self is willing or not, he/she/it/whatsover had became an Accomplice

Mostly because it means that to be the accomplice you must be listening to the commands of someone else, what's the catch? Simple, be the one giving the answers.

Battler is the culprit and planned this murder with Kanon. Kanon killed Jessica.

The "hint" the author gave is a clear dead end;

"Why don't I recite any request related to whether Jessica knows who killed her or not?"

Easy, because if it was someone that she didn't know, they wouldn't be known characters and therefore cannot be the culprit. The person can't be the murderer because of many reasons.

A person coming would be noticed, but how so? It meant that somewhere on the line of things someone opened the door for the outside person.

There's so many other possibilities too. But for now let's put up some rules of our own.

-The culprit by definition is not an accomplice.
-The culprit can be any of the three characters.
-The murderer planned to kill Jessica.
-Therefore there can be no arguments of self-defense amongst other things.
-Battler MUST be the culprit, after all he would resist the murderer's actions atleast.
-Any person from the outside cannot be the culprit but can be the murderer.
-Anyone outside must have been let in by one of the people inside
-Emotions here should be ignored, just because you're in a rage doesn't points to a specific reason. Without a specific reason, it doesn't matter.

I can spin a tale where Jessica was the culprit while Kannon the murderer. Jessica plans to kill Battler, however Kanon planned to betray Jessica, killing her in the room.

[Nadeor]

alright~ Clockwork I'm translating it and sending it off to the forum~
Let's see if you can get it right XD

[ClockWorkAngel]

If I'm wrong I want to ask the author to recite these statements.

The room has always been locked.
The murderer and the culprit are the same person
There was a struggle between the murderer and the victim
Any other people are bystanders
There are one or more accomplices

[Nadeor]

k I've got it, but it takes a while for him to probably see it
all depends, wish you luck~

[k//eternal]

Hmmm... a fan-mystery, eh?

Well, my take is that Battler could be the one behind the Rokkenjima murders and Kanon is aiming to kill him. Battler takes Jessica hostage in an attempt to ensure his safety. He doesn't actually intend to have her killed, but wants to bluff in order to survive.

Kanon confronts Battler but is unable to do anything because he could hurt Jessica. Knowing this, Jessica lies and tells Kanon that she was actually Battler's accomplice in the murders. Feeling betrayed, Kanon rushes in to kill them both. In the moments after the point in time described to us, Kanon attempts to kill Battler as well.

This makes Jessica the culprit, and Kanon is both murderer and accomplice; however, Battler is the one actually at fault.

If it isn't that, let's see him say:
The murderer is still in the room.
The murderer does not intend to kill Battler or Kanon.
The culprit is still alive.
The cleaver has not been used for surgery.

[Nadeor]

The truth has been revealed, but just to keep playing
I will now take the role of recital in red...

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To Clockwork:

'Culprit' and the 'Murderer' are the same person
Battler is neither the Murderer, the Culprit, nor the Accomplice of any form

To Keternal:

The murderer is still in the room
The murderer does not intend to kill Battler or Kanon
The Culprit is still alive
The cleaver has not been used for surgery

Also:

There is only 1 cleaver
Just to make it easier for u guys...
The murderer is not the one who had locked the door

[Larrave]

Hi,
I am a newbie here and didnt even play the game so please dont hate me for making any wrong conclusions related to the fan-mystery.=)
Its really confusing(all information)so i am not sure if its correct or totally wrong.
Here we go:
First of all, the hint with the "and" is really strange.Since with an and you would suggest there had to be another person with Battler in the room.I suggest it had to be Kannon+Battler.Next is the another hint ClockWorkAngel minded as a clear dead end.However, if i got the hint correct, my opinion is that although we know there are only 3 characters, jessica not knowing the culprit might be an important point which made me to conclude that the room was not maybe pitchdark but dark so you cant see alot(although windows).So i guess maybe night-time outside or so(dont know the game maybe, i dont know, it would help here.)
I am not sure but some of you said that in the game the red text is true but in its interpretation there are variations.How about this:
Battler and Kannon were in a darkend room searching for someone(maybe Beatrice) with Jessica entering the room and shutting("locking?") the door.
Maybe Kannon mistook the situation, since it was dark, and attacked Jessica thinking of her as Beatrice , so NOT KNOWING it was Jessica.Later on they realised it was Jessica.
This would explain why Jessica might not know the murder on first sight(darkness) and it would explain why Battler and Kanon actually didnt "saw" the murder and later being sad about jessica lying dead there.
-Jessica was not killed accidentally
-The true murderer meant to kill Jessica
-This murder was a planned murder
Here is the point i think there might be some interpretation-variation.If B+K search for Beatrice e.g. of course the murder was planned and mistaking jessica for beatrice somehow might make it not an accident and "meant to kill Jessica".
Might sound strange but maybe you can understand what i mean.

I will add later on if i missed something i didnt added now.Please dont laugh its just a theory=).
One last thing,if my theory isnt correct at least tell me if those rules are countable or false:

-The Room/Chamber was darkend
-Jessica, was the one locking the door

[Nadeor]

The Room/Chamber was NOT darkened during the incident, everything going on can be seen without a trouble.

For the second one I refuse to recite...

[ganbaru]

Did the room was locked before or after the murder?

[Rena Ryuuguu]

could someone make a summary for ep 3 here?
I'm sorry if it already exists in this thread,but that's so many pages ^^"

[vandakiara]

Originally Posted by Rena Ryuuguu

could someone make a summary for ep 3 here?
I'm sorry if it already exists in this thread,but that's so many pages ^^"

yeah, I wanted to ask that too please... I have the game but I don't understand japanese so it's useless really... so if anyone could sum it up.... please

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Rena Ryuuguu

could someone make a summary for ep 3 here?
I'm sorry if it already exists in this thread,but that's so many pages ^^"

Originally Posted by vandakiara

yeah, I wanted to ask that too please... I have the game but I don't understand japanese so it's useless really... so if anyone could sum it up.... please

Klash already did a summary for Ep 3... Just use the the Search fuction

Also Umineko with Voice acting

[Rena Ryuuguu]

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Klash already did a summary for Ep 3... Just use the the Search fuction

Also Umineko with Voice acting

arigatou sterling ^_^

[Jaymer]

Even though that's fan made, I still cannot imagine Beatrice sounding like that .__.;;
Cool Video, though~
I AM GETTING UMINEKO 3 FOR CHRISTMAS LAWLALWLAWL

[Nadeor]

Nice voice acting XD

The room was locked before the murder

Someone even made an episode of Umineko XD
I will post it out later

[Asashio123]

Oooh, fan-mystery! Amazing!

Originally Posted by Nadeor

Battler is neither the Murderer, the Culprit, nor the Accomplice of any form

Thus, we can eliminate Battler. Also,

Originally Posted by Nadeor

The only one's who are in the room are; Jessica (DEAD), Kanon (Alive), and Battler (Alive)
The Culprit is still alive

So, we can eliminate Jessica committing suicide. However,

Originally Posted by Nadeor

The one assaulted Jessica was neither Kanon Nor Battler

And as it would seem, Kanon did not murder Jessica either.

Originally Posted by Nadeor

The Culprit is among the known characters
'Known Characters' meant Jessica, Kanon and Battler

And the above statement makes me feel that this is really one big paradox.

What I'm kind of iffy about is the lack of a definition for the terms "murderer" and "victim". For all we know, the "murderer" and "victims" could be referring to the murder of a fly that happened to be in the room. Also, I wonder why they specifically use "assault" as opposed to "murder". This makes me think that Jessica was not really murdered after all.

Can you recite;
-The dead Jessica is the real Jessica.
-Kanon was in possession of the cleaver when he entered the room.
-The cleaver stayed in Kanon's possession during the duration of the time he was in the room.
-The murder was not staged.
-"Murderer" is referring to the one who killed Jessica.
-The person who "assaulted" Jessica also killed her.
-There is no magic involved in this murder.
-Only one person was responsible for the murder.

[Nadeor]

Sure thing~
-The Dead Jessica is the Real Jessica
-Kanon was in possession of the cleaver when he entered the room
-"Murderer" is referring to the one who killed Jessica
-The person who 'assaulted' Jessica also killed her
-There is no magic involved in this murder, nor did any form of supernatural force exist.

Those which I did not recite are refused
And please go back and check the lines which I recited before CORRECTLY

[Asashio123]

Sorry about that (yeah, now I see the "murderer" thing.), I was in a bit of a hurry while doing this.

And also, great voice-acting! If Umineko gets ported to PS2/PS3, like Higurashi did, I really wouldn't mind if they hired those VAs (although of course, they wouldn't.)

And my new theory; the butler (Genji) did it!

[Nadeor]

Genji did not do it =_=|||

I am just looking forward on the anime, wonder how they are gonna make it~

[Asashio123]

Okay, my final, real theory;

Spoiler for Long theory:

The murder was planned between Kanon and Jessica, with Kanon being the murderer/culprit and Jessica being an accomplice. Obviously, there is some need for Jessica to die, however it would be Kanon who is responsible for the murder, and Jessica, who plays some role in killing herself (she either agrees to help Kanon, before or during the murder, or Kanon tricks her into helping him.)

Originally Posted by Nadeor

-The murderer is not the one who had locked the door.
-The room was locked before the murder.

The fact that the room was locked before the murder makes it sound as the locking the room was part of the plan. If this is true, and the murderer did not lock the door, than an accomplice did. The accomplice could have locked the door willingly, or s/he could have been tricked into locking the door. So thus, Battler, who is not an "accomplice", did not lock the door (unless the door was locked for a reason besides the murder, but let's not go there.)

In my theory, Battler enters the room first, without any knowledge of the murder about to take place. Then, Kanon and Jessica enter the room, Kanon carrying the cleaver, and Jessica locking the door. Now, either Jessica and Kanon do not notice Battler, or (more likely) they tie Battler up or drug him to sleep (a person's "mental condition" is quite different from their physical condition or level of consciousness, I think), so that Battler is unable to interfere.

Originally Posted by Nadeor

-The one assaulted Jessica was neither Kanon Nor Battler.
-The Culprit is among the known characters.

Let's ignore the lack of a "who" in the first sentence, which could suggest wordplay ("Jessica is not Battler or Kanon.") It's more likely that is simply a typo or mistake.

As I said before, both Jessica and Kanon have a hand in this murder. I believe that Jessica would somehow become in possession of the cleaver (probably handed to her by Kanon), and then would process to hack away at herself (again, she could have done this willingly, or she could have been tricked by Kanon. There's also the chance that her mental state was not normal, and that she attacked herself because of hallucinations and the like). However, after she was unable to continue attacking herself (probably because of blood loss), Kanon could have picked up the cleaver and finished her.

Thus, Jessica would have been the one who "assaulted" herself (which would have to be the case, considering that neither Kanon or Battler did it), but Kanon was the one who actually delivered the finishing blow. The fact that "The person who 'assaulted' Jessica also killed her" makes this theory a bit sketchy, but again, this could be wordplay. Had Kanon not delivered the finishing blow, Jessica would have still died eventually from blood loss. Or maybe that was what did happen, that Kanon did not deliver any "finishing blow", and that Jessica did just die of blood loss. Even in that case, Kanon could be the murderer, and Jessica could just be an accomplice, considering that Kanon planned the murder, and Jessica was simply following his instructions. (But, I don't think this is likely, considering that "Once Jessica was wounded she was killed immediately".)

There basically has to be some wordplay or loophole in the red text, or else the entire situation is a paradox and would not be possible to solve. Also, our knowledge of the characters "Kanon", "Jessica" and "Battler" based on the games shouldn't apply; we should think of them as three random characters in a random situation.

Fan-made mysteries are always fun, especially if they are presented during the wait for another episode. After all, there is a time when most possible theories are exhausted, and the fandom is just silently hoping that the next episode will reveal something amazing and shocking.

And about the fan-video, may I ask what that wonderful piano piece in the background is titled?