Toradora! - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[typhonsentra]

She probably would've had him come back (He wanted to anyway) but I doubt she'd confess outright.

[Jeshua]

10/10 - no more (just because it isn't possible), no less.

Just watched a re-run of "Back to the Future" on TV today, and now watched this ToraDora episode... - can my day get any better?

Spoiler for about novel/manga adaptations:

Excellent. The subtle differences between the Novels and the Animation only, imho, serve to make both more interesting - like what happened with the Suzumiya series (thank you, Baka-Tsuki! Long Life to fanwork!); I just seem to not get enough of both - Anime and now the Novels... Gotta buy 'em if they make it overseas, definitely.

Hm, on the theories side... One Anime / Manga that got me hangin' from start to end (end?) was School Rumble, but the end (?!) was so... wth? That even the Godly fansubbers / translators involved in the project didn't bother with it anymore / the Japanese fans don't care about the series as much as it was on it's golden days... (surely it's because of the original media of the material - manga vs. novels, as the later is completely planned beforehand and so on, so no stupid mistakes)...

(but, again series like Suzumiya are now into a strange situation, as the creator is probably waiting / holding his material because of the mass repercution and financial business and the like... Hmm... Harry Potter suffered with it as well and... meh - I hope that Vol. 10 of ToraDora gives this series an ending that makes justice to the greatness that was this episode.)

(My english is so bad when I'm crying / didn't get enough sleep...)

[Windows X]

It's already clear. Ryuuji realizing Taiga being lonely and give up everything for her. How sweet

[Robbo]

yes this was a brilliant ep i cant wait for the next one id give it reservedly a 10/10 dam did i hope i didnt hold back to much on the scoring! lol

[Fran~]

For the next one i wont wait for the subs...

[kk2extreme]

its a bit too late for christmas or is it too early

[mrmarvel90]

even though she was crying ..taiga looked great in that dress lol

[typhonsentra]

Originally Posted by Fran~

For the next one i wont wait for the subs...

I keep going back and forth on this now that we're moving into unknown territory. At the very least I think for the last two episodes I'll avoid spoilers. I just hope CoalGuys are quick so I don't give into temptation.

[wistfulloner]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

I keep going back and forth on this now that we're moving into unknown territory. At the very least I think for the last two episodes I'll avoid spoilers. I just hope CoalGuys are quick so I don't give into temptation.

Subs For Toradora! always come out on Friday if I'm not wrong, no matter who subs first.

Feels good to be finally without a clue eh?

[typhonsentra]

Sometimes they're early and get it out on Tuesday. I'm also not aware of other groups subbing new episodes beside CoalGuys.

[Vexx]

Everyone has been buried by Real Life temporarily or a shortage in labor time ... afaik, no one has actually said they've dropped it at least as far as their websites have mentioned.

[Fweakin]

Originally Posted by physics223

There is an inherent bias in only showing Taiga bawling and not the other girls: it would allow us to commiserate with her more instead and remove our focus from the others. I think people would think a lot differently regarding Taiga and the other women if the episode showed all three of them crying: Ami silently having tears fall from her eyes; Minori bawling after she rejected Ryuuji; and Taiga with her actions in the episode. If this were the case, I doubt most people would sympathize with Taiga compared to Ami or Minori. Ultimately, the most tragic character isn't Taiga: it's Ami or Minori.

One has to deal with being an outsider despite her love; one has to choose between friendship and love; Taiga only has the difficulty of being alone (and I doubt Ryuuji would leave her alone even if Minori and him went out). Weighing all three of their problems as regards their gravity, I don't think Taiga bears the heaviest burden.

I agree that there is definitely a bias towards Taiga, but that has been blindingly obvious from the get-go. And I certainly agree that the intention of the Taiga-crying scene was to illicit that response from the audience.

But I have to say that a character doesn't necessarily have to be breaking down in tears for their heartbreak to show through. I, for instance, found both Ami and Minorin to tug at my heartstrings more than Taiga. Ami's dropped speaking tones (props to Kitamura Eri) and Minorin pulling her beanie over her eyes spoke more to me that the outwardly blantant show of grief.

[Index92]

This show is nice for the fact that it has a good pace unlike To Aru Majutsu No Index which is all just talk and no action. It takes about 4-5 episodes just to finish one arc and almost every episode has at least 10 minutes of a lecture xD So that's why I don't understand why they couldn't make it more like Toradora since it's the same producers. -Shrugs- This episode was nice, except some parts were just really random lol. I never really understand Minorin though^^;

[Raiga]

Originally Posted by typhonsentra

Sometimes they're early and get it out on Tuesday. I'm also not aware of other groups subbing new episodes beside CoalGuys.

Er, you mean Thursday?

Thus far I've always watched raws first... after which I read plot summaries here and on the blogosphere to fill in as many holes as I can and then wait for the subs. Works fine for me, since the most emotional scenes generally don't require full understanding of the dialog to really have an impact. Plus, only a few keywords, context clues, and verb endings can allow you to get a pretty good general sense of what's being said.

[wistfulloner]

Originally Posted by Raiga

Er, you mean Thursday?

Thus far I've always watched raws first... after which I read plot summaries here and on the blogosphere to fill in as many holes as I can and then wait for the subs. Works fine for me, since the most emotional scenes generally don't require full understanding of the dialog to really have an impact. Plus, only a few keywords, context clues, and verb endings can allow you to get a pretty good general sense of what's being said.

I do exactly that too, but only because I read the novels and get a rudimentary understanding of what is being communicated in the anime. Without it's guidance, I'll probably wait for the subs before I watch them.

[Waking_Dreamer]

Originally Posted by Fweakin

But I have to say that a character doesn't necessarily have to be breaking down in tears for their heartbreak to show through. I, for instance, found both Ami and Minorin to tug at my heartstrings more than Taiga. Ami's dropped speaking tones (props to Kitamura Eri) and Minorin pulling her beanie over her eyes spoke more to me that the outwardly blantant show of grief.

Agreed.

While Taiga's scene was dramatic, I found Ami and Minori's subtle gestures at least just as tragic. Especially since the fact that you dont have to stretch the imagination to see an actual person in real life doing those things.

I guess I sort of empathize with all the characters too much.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Waking_Dreamer

I guess I sort of empathize with all the characters too much.

Probably the intent.

[physics223]

Let me restate that. Even if I didn't see Ami and Minori bawling, I still empathize with them more than Taiga. However, if I saw them cry, I would totally leave Taiga in the dust with my empathy and cry with them as well. As much as I've already accepted the ending and can't really blame anyone, Taiga deserves being left alone by Ryuuji.

The onus remains with the author. Taiga must pass through the eye of the needle that she must find in a burning haystack before I'll rally over to her side. As it stands, she doesn't deserve Ryuuji, and she deserves everything that was coming to her.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by physics223

Let me restate that. Even if I didn't see Ami and Minori bawling, I still empathize with them more than Taiga. However, if I saw them cry, I would totally leave Taiga in the dust with my empathy and cry with them as well. As much as I've already accepted the ending and can't really blame anyone, Taiga deserves being left alone by Ryuuji.

The onus remains with the author. Taiga must pass through the eye of the needle that she must find in a burning haystack before I'll rally over to her side. As it stands, she doesn't deserve Ryuuji, and she deserves everything that was coming to her.

Kinda harsh.

With what she's had to go through, I think she deserves someone's love and care rather than to be abandoned AGAIN.

[Fweakin]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Kinda harsh.

With what she's had to go through, I think she deserves someone's love and care rather than to be abandoned AGAIN.

She deserves love, but I'm still unconvinced that Ryuuji should be the one for her. They still have a bit of a co-dependent air about them, and it seems more friend-like than romance.

With the other two, you have a sense of the MinorixRyuuji or AmixRyuuji being more equal than that of TaigaxRyuuji.