Haruhi Suzumiya - Spoilers & Speculation (for experienced Haruhi Fans only)

[Zantetsuken]

Who said it's 100% HaruKyon? The fact is there is a chance of YukiKyon too.

[Nudvik]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

First, nothing in the anime counts as canon, whatsoever. Tanigawa had little to do with it except write the script for Someday in the Rain.

Honestly, this is a completely absurd statement. You're basically vetoing everything contained in an anime as non-canon because the author didn't do every single thing himself. Despite it being an almost completely faithful adaptation?!

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

And, like I said, he does it simply to mess with Kyon because of how homophobic Kyon is. I sometimes do the same things to my friends, and I'm pretty straight.

For that matter... Disappearance Koizumi displays no homosexual behaviour whatsoever. He's completely devoted to Haruhi.

So Koizumi is either simply only gay for Kyon, or just messing with him, and I think the latter.

I disagree. I think the idea that his entire persona is constructed simply to mess with Kyon is more than slightly unlikely.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

...Haruhi-chan was originally a gag 4koma written and drawn by an artist named Puyo. KyoAni added next to nothing into their adaptation of it.

You did know this, right?

No, I really didn't. I was under the impression that this was a commissioned side-project by KS, to promote the imminent relaunch of the franchise. Perhaps I succumbed to wishful thinking, however everything in that series IS an exaggeration of unresolved issues in the novel series. Nobody could seriously claim that Tsuruya isn't much more involved than she first appears to be, especially considering Itsuki's early comment about how her family was connected closely to the Organisation, but had some rather fundamental disagreements over how they should proceed.
That said, I also thought that nobody could seriously doubt that Itsuki had a romantic interest in Kyon, so there you go!

[User89254]

Haha. I start him off with being a slave to Haruhi, and finally seeing the light that supernatural things don't exist, and actually meeting them, and hardening up, with Sasaki's literality contributing to this. xD

As for shippings, some people said that there was a 100% chance of HaruKyon happening before I posted. I'm a YukiKyon fan myself, although generally not as intense as I feel right now. xD

[Zantetsuken]

Originally Posted by Nudvik

Honestly, this is a completely absurd statement. You're basically vetoing everything contained in an anime as non-canon because the author didn't do every single thing himself. Despite it being an almost completely faithful adaptation?!

Note the almost.

Because SitR is written by Tanigawa, do you count it cannon?

[User89254]

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Note the almost.

Because SitR is written by Tanigawa, do you count it cannon?

Someday in the Rain was actually made into a prose form after the episode was created. Hence making it canon.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Nudvik

Honestly, this is a completely absurd statement. You're basically vetoing everything contained in an anime as non-canon because the author didn't do every single thing himself. Despite it being an almost completely faithful adaptation?!

Anime-canon and novel-canon are different, and novel-canon is what I'm referring to here.

Again, the author had little to do with the adaptation as a whole.

Adaptations, by default, are non-canon compared to the original work.

Originally Posted by Nudvik

Perhaps I succumbed to wishful thinking, however everything in that series IS an exaggeration of unresolved issues in the novel series.

Yes, because it's all based off of fan-theorizing. Nothing in that series can be taken as canon whatsoever.

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

Haha. I start him off with being a slave to Haruhi, and finally seeing the light that supernatural things don't exist, and actually meeting them, and hardening up, with Sasaki's literality contributing to this. xD

...Why does he sound like Battler Ushiromiya from Umineko...?

[Nudvik]

No, I count it as canon because it's a very faithful adaptation that captures the essence of the novels almost perfectly.

[Zantetsuken]

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

Someday in the Rain was actually made into a prose form after the episode was created. Hence making it canon.

What? Where?

[User89254]

In The Sneaker magazine, where the Haruhi novels were originally located, Someday in the Rain was made into prose. Unfortunately it hasn't been translated, but it does exist.

Umineko? Never heard of it. But he's pretty sarcastic now...Wait until he meets the Brigade. xD

EDIT: Someday in the Rain was in the August 2006 edition.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

Someday in the Rain was actually made into a prose form after the episode was created. Hence making it canon.

I don't know how that worked though.

But yeah, anything written by Tanigawa = canon. Anything not written by him = not canon.

Originally Posted by Nudvik

No, I count it as canon because it's a very faithful adaptation that captures the essence of the novels almost perfectly.

It still has story differences.

Endless Eight's numbering being one, the lack of alcohol in Lone Island another...

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

Umineko? Never heard of it. But he's pretty sarcastic now...Wait until he meets the Brigade. xD

Unfortunate. And the real brigade, or the Anti-SOS?

I find the latter slightly more interesting at this point, so...

[User89254]

You're right - how do you record 20 minutes of Yuki reading in prose? O.o

Also Day of Sagittarius. It had teleportation in the original. And ENOZ's existence. And the mole. What the hell was that supposed to mean?

EDIT: The real brigade, there is a slight series of events started by Kyon that inadvertedly triggers the SOS Brigade formed without his presence. But the Anti-SOS dan exists too in the fic. *shrug*

[Zantetsuken]

And the added cliff fall in LI too

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

What the hell was that supposed to mean?

That KyoAni loves screwing with us.

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

EDIT: The real brigade, there is a slight series of events started by Kyon that inadvertedly triggers the SOS Brigade formed without his presence. But the Anti-SOS dan exists too in the fic. *shrug*

Bah. Shoving the Anti-SOS and Sasaki into North High instead of the SOS and Haruhi would be cooler.

Not knocking on your fic here, just saying... although, I'm beginning to get ideas of my own, ohoho~. Thank you.

[Nudvik]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Endless Eight's numbering being one, the lack of alcohol in Lone Island another...

That's some quite incredible nitpicking. EE is the only example of a significant deviation from novel canon. Lack of Haruhi getting drunk is just an annoying example of conservatism in television.

[edit]Ohh yeah, there's the falling off the cliff scene too. I really need to learn how to use these damn boards... It's such a pain in the ass trying to quote multiple people.

[User89254]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

That KyoAni loves screwing with us.

True, true. I almost fainted with 8 episodes of Endless Eight.

By the way, do you think next episode will be Sighs? Or will they skip the arc and use 5 eps for Shoushitsu?

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Bah. Shoving the Anti-SOS and Sasaki into North High instead of the SOS and Haruhi would be cooler.

Not knocking on your fic here, just saying...

It's fine. *desu* Actually Sasaki and co. don't go to North High, it's the unnamed school she goes to in the novels...Kyon is the only one to experience a school change.

[Ithekro]

Do we have enough information to put the Anti-SOS and Sasaki into North High (or wherever) as the main group?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Nudvik

That's some quite incredible nitpicking. EE is the only example of a significant deviation from novel canon. Lack of Haruhi getting drunk is just an annoying example of conservatism in television.

[edit]Ohh yeah, there's the falling off the cliff scene too. I really need to learn how to use these damn boards... It's such a pain in the ass trying to quote multiple people.

It. Still. Isn't. Novel. Canon. Which. Is. My. Point.

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

By the way, do you think next episode will be Sighs? Or will they skip the arc and use 5 eps for Shoushitsu?

DVD numbers suggest NOT Disappearance... so next week with either be Sighs or that sports day as an anime-original.

Originally Posted by AsterSelene

It's fine. *desu* Actually Sasaki and co. don't go to North High, it's the unnamed school she goes to in the novels...Kyon is the only one to experience a school change.

Ah, right. Makes sense.

...I'm stealing this idea, if you're fine with that, by the way. The crew over in Seitenkan, myself included, can probably use it for something interesting.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Do we have enough information to put the Anti-SOS and Sasaki into North High (or wherever) as the main group?

Everyone but Sasaki is a distinct archetype, so they're fairly easy to work with. I can see it.

[User89254]

No, we don't. This is where *creativity* comes in.

And an attempt not to be OOC.

[User89254]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

DVD numbers suggest NOT Disappearance... so next week with either be Sighs or that sports day as an anime-original.

But but but but but all of the advertising was on Disappearance.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Ah, right. Makes sense.

...I'm stealing this idea, if you're fine with that, by the way. The crew over in Seitenkan, myself included, can probably use it for something interesting.

Go right ahead!

[Ithekro]

Your canon debate reminds me of all those Star Wars debates on levels of canon.

It doesn't matter at this point. Seriously, it doesn't.