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View Poll Results: Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA - Episode 6 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 48 | 73.85% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 8 | 12.31% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 3 | 4.62% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 6.15% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.54% | |
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2013-08-22, 01:05 | Link #101 |
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We don't really need to get into spoilers about the nature of Saber vs the nature of other Servants, but what made her special shouldn't have affected the physical body and the equipment that were manifested for her. Those would be only as real as the throne of heroes could make them, which is to say very very very very good copies.
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2013-08-22, 16:27 | Link #103 |
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Rather than compare which excalibur is stronger (Alter Saber or Illyas fake/copy) i would like to know how Illya was able to use excalibur "fatality/super power/noble phantasm". In Fate/Zero she says that the power to cast the Excaliburs "fatality" resides on her left arm as she could not use it until Lancer break the curse on Sabers left arm.
So...how was Illya able to cast it ? Archer can copy any weapon but not noble phantasms of other heroes. |
2013-08-22, 16:33 | Link #104 | |
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It was never stated that Ilya recreated the genuine article. Archer can create unauthentic imitation, and that's exactly what Ilya did. |
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2013-08-22, 18:19 | Link #105 | |
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2013-08-22, 18:34 | Link #106 |
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Gilgamesh's noble phantasm isn't a sword. Excalibur is. That's the difference between the two. And he's copied Rule Breaker and used its noble phantasm effect before, so there's no reason why he couldn't copy the noble phantasm effect of any other sword that he could otherwise copy. He even alludes to doing such in UBW when fighting Saber, saying he'd just blow them all up if need be.
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2013-08-22, 18:39 | Link #107 | |
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Archer can copy Noble Phantasms. He just can't make a perfect copy of divine constructs like Excalibur and Ea. |
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2013-08-22, 18:47 | Link #108 |
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Originally, he wasn't even able to make bad copies of them, because they contained materials not of this world. But as time went on, Nasu decided to retcon that and allow him to make even further degraded versions of at least Excalibur. He probably still cannot trace any form of Ea, and the reasoning for Excalibur is likely just his innate connection to Saber making up for the material weakness.
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2013-08-22, 19:12 | Link #109 |
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No one ever said Archer's Excalibur Image was made of the same materials as the real deal (in fact, his version is spelled with different kanji). It's very possible that he just replaced the materials he couldn't replicate with something else in his reality marble.
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2013-08-22, 20:48 | Link #110 | |
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All of that doesn't override the original point of this discussion, though. There are still valid reasons why Illya won, despite the fact that her sword should have been and probably was inferior.
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2013-08-23, 15:37 | Link #111 |
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I thought the reason Ea couldn't be traced was because Shirou was unable to analyze Ea properly in the first place due to how alien the thing is, and the reason Excalibur couldn't be traced was due to the incredibly steep mana requirment.
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2013-08-24, 07:00 | Link #114 | |
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2013-08-24, 11:20 | Link #115 |
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Just to clarify, could you use that explanation to illustrate why Ea cannot be traced? I could try myself, but I might fall short.
Basically, for Ea, the process would run into an error as early as step 1. Even if it didn't, any of the other steps are also impossible for several reasons (which are hard for me to explain). I think it's different for Excalibur though, where it's merely a manner of the mana cost to produce that thing being bigger than even Archer could produce. |
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2013-08-24, 12:24 | Link #117 | |
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Trying to make Ea is just even worse because of reasons you already stated. |
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2013-08-30, 01:30 | Link #118 |
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Painful. There are so many things wrong about the portrayal of this fight, it's not funny. This is just so inaccurate. Archer says in UBW that he wouldn't be able to trace excalibur 100%, so there's no way to straight up win a fight like that.
I dunno how other fate fans are enjoying this show at all. It's cringe worthy to me. I love Rin in fate/stay night, but she's portrayed really annoyingly here.
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2013-08-30, 12:32 | Link #119 | |
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Plus, didn't Nasu confirm that EMIYA has several swords that are similar to Excalibur? Including his own version of it? I know he does in Fate/Extra
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2013-08-30, 13:51 | Link #120 | |
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Prismaverse is Mahou Shoujoverse, so the powerlevel discussion basically boils down to "Whoever has the strongest love and friendship wins." Except for Bazett. She wrecks everyone.Then Gilgamesh wrecks her, cause his love is titanic and worldwide, like Ea. Chaos: It's too alien, it's not a sword even though it's called one and probably because it's so old (in the beginning of time...)
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