Mahouka LN - Yotsuba Inheritance Arc (Volume 16) Discussion / Poll

[-Mahesvara_]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

The twins joining would make the next 9SC way too one-sided.

I had forgotten about Raymond, but in this case he would also contact Tatsuya I think.

He might have^, I'm mean the only info we know about vol 17 is from the preview.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by nani895

Lol i don't understand why you guys are coming hard on Ichijou for objecting the marriage. Yes maybe it was done purely for Masaki's sake, so whats wrong in that. Masaki loves Miyuki so they decided they will try to propose for their marriage. so what does that make them bad guy? All they did was express that they want Miyuki's hand in marriage for Masaki so they are not in support on MiyukixTatsuya marriage. They didn't know how Miyuki felt about marriage. From Ichijous point of view Tatsuya was her brother but now he is a fiancee, they don't what transpired in Yotsuba circle nor they know about feelings of Miyuki and Tatsuya. It's not like they are forcing Yotsuba for a marriage with Masaki.

Are you guys saying he should not even try to express his love? GTFO

No I am not saying that, it is just i think he should have ask her first. And the spoiler about him proposing to miyuki reck a duel coming up which is weird.

[bones]

So let me get this straight, Maya tells everyone that Tatsuya is her son and is not Miyuki's brother. She then talks privately to Tatsuya telling him that she lied but even if he marries Miyuki there will be no genetic problems with their children because Miyuki has been genetically modified.

[black_cat1]

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

Shiba/Yotsuba Miyuki cannot be easily taken away from the Yotsuba, just like Juumonji Katsuto or Ichiouji Masaki cannot be easily taken away from their clans. It is a pipe dream that an immature young man might have. Only by giving up being an Ichiouji might Masaki marry Miyuki.

The Yotsuba would rather go to war than to give up Shiba Tatsuya and he would rather kill than be permanently separated from Miyuki. The two are a package deal.

Well, in the eyes of Kudou, it is an option. Remember he tried to tame Kazama to take Tatsuya away from the Yotsuba and got refused? In his mind, any way to strip the Shiba-duo from Yotsuba is ok. And he does not know much detail about the complex relationship inside the Yotsuba anyway.

In this plan, if Miyuki marries Masaki then naturally Tatsuya goes with her to Ichijou, that is a result Kudou want to see. He doesn't know much about the hidden "darkness" of the Shiba siblings at all, so the plan is good in his eyes.

[Echizen777]

Everyone is talking about Lina who belongs to USNA and forgetting Minoru, who can easily be used for this.

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

No I am not saying that, it is just i think he should have ask her first. And the spoiler about him proposing to miyuki reck a duel coming up which is weird.

Miyuki has no authority to do anything, if opinions were so important Mayumi would not be forced to marry Hirofumi or Katsuto, that's how arranged marriages work and how they always did things. They asked to Maya, who is the current heir and the one in authority to accept or refuse, Maya didn't ask Tatsuya to become Miyuki's fiancé either, she forced him to do so.

Originally Posted by bones

So let me get this straight, Maya tells everyone that Tatsuya is her son and is not Miyuki's brother. She then talks privately to Tatsuya telling him that she lied but even if he marries Miyuki there will be no genetic problems with their children because Miyuki has been genetically modified.

Yes.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by MRD143

if Saegusa Koichi and Kudou Retsu keep irritating Maya they won't be around much longer. The Yotsuba already know that the Saegusa were involved with Zhou and the Kudou pulled that crap with the P-Dolls at the 9SC so they probably could get permission from their Sponsor to take care of the individuals who have acted against the interests of Japan.

Speaking of which, now that Tatsuya's been accepted, I wonder if we'll learn what the Yotsuba's been doing with its parasite.

Originally Posted by Blarrow

Nah most people would probably recognize FAE theory than decomposition behind it.

Not even that. The FAE theory is top secret.

Originally Posted by nani895

Lol i don't understand why you guys are coming hard on Ichijou for objecting the marriage. Yes maybe it was done purely for Masaki's sake, so whats wrong in that. Masaki loves Miyuki so they decided they will try to propose for their marriage. so what does that make them bad guy? All they did was express that they want Miyuki's hand in marriage for Masaki so they are not in support on MiyukixTatsuya marriage. They didn't know how Miyuki felt about marriage. From Ichijous point of view Tatsuya was her brother but now he is a fiancee, they don't what transpired in Yotsuba circle nor they know about feelings of Miyuki and Tatsuya. It's not like they are forcing Yotsuba for a marriage with Masaki.

Are you guys saying he should not even try to express his love? GTFO

No. We're bashing him cause he's trying to mess with the OTP.

Originally Posted by bones

So let me get this straight, Maya tells everyone that Tatsuya is her son and is not Miyuki's brother. She then talks privately to Tatsuya telling him that she lied but even if he marries Miyuki there will be no genetic problems with their children because Miyuki has been genetically modified.

Perfect.

[RaymondSageClark]

Originally Posted by nani895

Lol i don't understand why you guys are coming hard on Ichijou for objecting the marriage. Yes maybe it was done purely for Masaki's sake, so whats wrong in that. Masaki loves Miyuki so they decided they will try to propose for their marriage. so what does that make them bad guy? All they did was express that they want Miyuki's hand in marriage for Masaki so they are not in support on MiyukixTatsuya marriage. They didn't know how Miyuki felt about marriage. From Ichijous point of view Tatsuya was her brother but now he is a fiancee, they don't what transpired in Yotsuba circle nor they know about feelings of Miyuki and Tatsuya. It's not like they are forcing Yotsuba for a marriage with Masaki.

Are you guys saying he should not even try to express his love? GTFO

"Masaki loves Miyuki"
Totally wrong, that is just your assumption because that was NEVER told on the LN. Masaki's father was the one who object the marriage between Tats and Miyuki so is something related to "muh family interest".

Finally, something people who paid attention while reading the LN knows the marriage proposal of Miyuki and Masaki was just an assumption knowing Masaki is going to be the next 10MC head, Miyuki is the best couple for him since she is almost perfect.

@Bones, yeah your right. Here is something from Syokool about vol 16:

Spoiler for Explanation:

1. Maya says Miyuki is the heir and Tatsuya is her fiance, also she say he's her son.
2. Miyuki is the real sister of Tatsuya. Both born from the same father (atleast that's the infro from vol 16) and mother. Miyuki was modified at genetic level and magic level to be Tatsuyas partner and for control him.
3. Tatsuya do a demonstration of his new magic with 2 goals, one is show he is powerfull and the second is to show he is at Maya's level also he is worthy for Miyuki.
4. Maya send a memo to the 10 MC about the desition. In place of the letter of congratulations she get a complaint from Ichijou Gouki.
5. The new magic of Tatsuya have one big goal and that is show to the world magicians are more than weapons, this is a big scale project (Project ESCAPES).

Preview talks about Tatsuya's friend reactions. Honoka, Mizuki and Mikihiko are in shock.

DNA test say Tats and Miyuki are brothers, but they were modified to a certain level they can't be called brother and sister, also delete all errors. Both are Yotsuba's master pieces.

In other words, Satou made the incest something naturally not dangerous, also legal, that's why Maya said Tatsuya is her son.

Maya is not Tatsuyas mother, she thinks that in a spiritual way. He is the tool of her desires, because he have the magic she always wish to get even before Tatsuya's birth.

[aortax]

People who saying the yotsuba need to answer the other clans are delusional or even need the other clans. They really don't need anybody they are self sufficient and more powerful than every other clan combined. Kudou ain't got anything on yotsuba they can easily spill his beans. Also tatsuya only got help from the kudou as he did not want to murder everybody in kyoto pretty much. The yotsuba were only docile at that time , so they wouldn't draw too much attention. They don't like it.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by aortax

People who saying the yotsuba need to answer the other clans are delusional or even need the other clans. They really don't need anybody they are self sufficient and more powerful than every other clan combined. Kudou ain't got anything on yotsuba they can easily spill his beans. Also tatsuya only got help from the kudou as he did not want to murder everybody in kyoto pretty much. The yotsuba were only docile at that time , so they wouldn't draw too much attention. They don't like it.

True. This complaint will probably be ignored. We've already seen things like this before when the Juumonji submitted a request for Koichi to cease his support for the anti-magic movement. It's really just a formality with little to no weight behind it.

[MRD143]

I wonder what Masaki would think of Miyuki if he knew she had been trained from childhood to be a killer. At Okinawa when she was 12 and she used Coccytus to freeze the rebel soldier she said it was the THIRD time she had done it, that means she had killed people before just for training purposes which is different from doing it in Battle.

[ProxyAccount]

It would be a bad precedent in the eyes of the Clans for an heir to be taken away by another Clan. Such an outcome would not be tolerated by the Numbers. No, a proposal by Ichiouji is too ignorant of 10MC politics to be Kudou Retsu's work, and more of the efforts of a naive, love-sick young man.

As mentioned, Kudou Retsu targeted Shiba Tatsuya. That was because he thought that the Yotsuba did not have a proper valuation of him. Also, since he was not the heir, he thought he could be taken from the Clan without a fight. He did not know that Tatsuya's valuation was so high (SCM) and that the Yotsuba know what his value is, hence the contract between the military and the Yotsuba.

[nani895]

Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

"Masaki loves Miyuki"
Totally wrong, that is just your assumption because that was NEVER told on the LN. Masaki's father was the one who object the marriage between Tats and Miyuki so is something related to "muh family interest".

Finally, something people who paid attention while reading the LN knows the marriage proposal of Miyuki and Masaki was just an assumption knowing Masaki is going to be the next 10MC head, Miyuki is the best couple for him since she is almost perfect.

We are imagining Masaki love Miyuki? lol...he practically daydreamed riding with Miyuki on his bike while about to prepare for an important task. What more proof do you want? Are you saying if author does not say the word "love" there is no love?

About family proposal...You may be right but you might not as well.

Cuz they are interested only in Miyukis prowess. Well if that's true they won't dare to submit marriage proposal for Yotsuba asking for their next heir. No one does that...so its only a contributing factor.

Gouki is potrayed as a loving father so along with the above factor and main reason being Masaki loves her, they proposed for marriage.

All are saying Kudou or Saegusa manipulated Ichijou's...but its not that easy...Ichijous are one of 10MC with prowess and numbers near to the level of Saegusa. Even if they want to manipulate them, for Ichijous to hear thier words they need to either have something that could implicate Ichijous or a formal alliance with Ichijous. So far author allowed no such thing.

So most logical conclusion is they want to have someone with the level of prowess of Miyuki and fueled with Masaki's feeling they made such a move.

[MRD143]

I think this is an instance in which the customary Yotsuba secrecy is working against them because it means all the other Families have NO idea of the potential consequences of messing with Tatsuya's and Miyuki's Marriage. If the Ichijou's complaint causes emotional distress to Miyuki then Tatsuya WILL act to remove whatever is causing her any harm.

[RaymondSageClark]

@nani95 LN facts >>>>>>>>>>>>> your assumptions, even if you say Masaki's daydreamed with her nothing is confirmed by the LN, again there is a really long way from INTEREST and LOVE and Masaki have interest in her because she is perfect. If you want to see love go and look Miyuki's actions toward tatsuya.

Also, I edit my post including a summary from Syokool's page to end all this worthless discussion (finally we get a straight answer about that matter).

[Echizen777]

Saegusa and Kudou can't manipulate Ichijou, Masaki learnt that they were supporting Zhou in volume 15, he didn't know that Kudou were supporting the Steeplechase event either. Fellow TMC members can't do something like this to begin with, they can only discuss.

Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

@nani95 LN facts >>>>>>>>>>>>> your assumptions, even if you say Masaki's daydreamed with her nothing is confirmed by the LN, again there is a really long way from INTEREST and LOVE and Masaki have interest in her because she is perfect. If you want to see love go and look Miyuki's actions toward tatsuya.

Also, I edit my post including a summary from Syokool's page to end all this worthless discussion (finally we get a straight answer about that matter).

It should be obvious but it's mentioned in vol 5 SS that she is his crush.

[black_cat1]

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

It would be a bad precedent in the eyes of the Clans for an heir to be taken away by another Clan. Such an outcome would not be tolerated by the Numbers. No, a proposal by Ichiouji is too ignorant of 10MC politics to be Kudou Retsu's work, and more of the efforts of a naive, love-sick young man.

As mentioned, Kudou Retsu targeted Shiba Tatsuya. That was because he thought that the Yotsuba did not have a proper valuation of him. Also, since he was not the heir, he thought he could be taken from the Clan without a fight. He did that Tatsuya's valuation was so high and that the Yotsuba know what his value is, hence the contract between the military and the Yotsuba.

Nah, I don't think Masaki's feeling is enough for Ichijou clan to actually disagree with Yotsuba. I mean, this is Yotsuba, one of twin-ace in 10MC, the untouchable. Ichijou clan should know pretty well that they are trying to marry 2 heirs which is impossible. But what if Yotsuba elects another heir? An heir can be replaced, and Yotsuba have others candidate too. With Kudou and Saegusa backing them, Ichijou can say that "Ok, you can choose another heir and let Masaki marries Miyuki". A good proposal (in their mind) for the situation and they can evade the rule that 2 heirs cannot marry each other.

Of course we know that this cannot be successful and the Yotsuba definitely will rebuke it but no one prevent Ichijou (and Kudou, Saegusa) from trying right? Saegusa might even lend a hand to Ichijou by proposing Mayumi to Tatsuya. After all, it is completely logical for them to make that move.

[Clutchdog]

Originally Posted by nani895

Lol i don't understand why you guys are coming hard on Ichijou for objecting the marriage. Yes maybe it was done purely for Masaki's sake, so whats wrong in that. Masaki loves Miyuki so they decided they will try to propose for their marriage. so what does that make them bad guy? All they did was express that they want Miyuki's hand in marriage for Masaki so they are not in support on MiyukixTatsuya marriage. They didn't know how Miyuki felt about marriage. From Ichijous point of view Tatsuya was her brother but now he is a fiancee, they don't what transpired in Yotsuba circle nor they know about feelings of Miyuki and Tatsuya. It's not like they are forcing Yotsuba for a marriage with Masaki.

Are you guys saying he should not even try to express his love? GTFO

Well to be perfectly honest. It is quite pompous to interfere in other peoples business and engagements in such a way, considering that Miyuki is nearly a stranger to him. They've simply exchanged greetings.
But the 10MC, I guess has it's own way of doing things.

Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

"Masaki loves Miyuki"
Totally wrong, that is just your assumption because that was NEVER told on the LN. Masaki's father was the one who object the marriage between Tats and Miyuki so is something related to "muh family interest".

Finally, something people who paid attention while reading the LN knows the marriage proposal of Miyuki and Masaki was just an assumption knowing Masaki is going to be the next 10MC head, Miyuki is the best couple for him since she is almost perfect.

@Bones, yeah your right. Here is something from Syokool about vol 16:

Spoiler for Explanation:

1. Maya says Miyuki is the heir and Tatsuya is her fiance, also she say he's her son.
2. Miyuki is the real sister of Tatsuya. Both born from the same father (atleast that's the infro from vol 16) and mother. Miyuki was modified at genetic level and magic level to be Tatsuyas partner and for control him.
3. Tatsuya do a demonstration of his new magic with 2 goals, one is show he is powerfull and the second is to show he is at Maya's level also he is worthy for Miyuki.
4. Maya send a memo to the 10 MC about the desition. In place of the letter of congratulations she get a complaint from Ichijou Gouki.
5. The new magic of Tatsuya have one big goal and that is show to the world magicians are more than weapons, this is a big scale project (Project ESCAPES).

Preview talks about Tatsuya's friend reactions. Honoka, Mizuki and Mikihiko are in shock.

DNA test say Tats and Miyuki are brothers, but they were modified to a certain level they can't be called brother and sister, also delete all errors. Both are Yotsuba's master pieces.

In other words, Satou made the incest something naturally not dangerous, also legal, that's why Maya said Tatsuya is her son.

Maya is not Tatsuyas mother, she thinks that in a spiritual way. He is the tool of her desires, because he have the magic she always wish to get even before Tatsuya's birth.

So both, Tatsuya and Miyuki have been modified? Also Miyuki being modified to be Tatsuya's partner, I wonder what this means exactly? Maybe Miyuki's supernatural senses concerning Tatsuya are not her 'intuition' powers as a MI magician, but the result of the modifications?

[bakato]

Originally Posted by nani895

Gouki is potrayed as a loving father so along with the above factor and main reason being Masaki loves her, they proposed for marriage.

Portrayed? He's never even appeared.

Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

@nani95 LN facts >>>>>>>>>>>>> your assumptions, even if you say Masaki's daydreamed with her nothing is confirmed by the LN, again there is a really long way from INTEREST and LOVE and Masaki have interest in her because she is perfect. If you want to see love go and look Miyuki's actions toward tatsuya.

Also, I edit my post including a summary from Syokool's page to end all this worthless discussion (finally we get a straight answer about that matter).

Uhh. It was stated.

"Shiba Miyuki"
That was the name of the one Masaki had fallen for.

[luffyxnami]

So the spoiler translated by ultra gunner was correct after all.

[RaymondSageClark]

Originally Posted by Clutchdog

So both, Tatsuya and Miyuki have been modified? Also Miyuki being modified to be Tatsuya's partner, I wonder what this means exactly? Maybe Miyuki's supernatural senses concerning Tatsuya are not her 'intuition' powers as a MI magician, but the result of the modifications?

Yes, both have several modificacions by genetic engineering, Miyuki was modified to be Tatsuya's partner because nobody else is worthy for him or atleast to be his wife and obviously if the Yotsuba's wants to keep a really powerful bloodline they need to use the top line genes. About the intuition I have no idea so can't answer that.

Also, about Masaki falling in love with Miyuki I can say the same for every single guy who see how perfect is Mayumi. Something for you guys, that's called "childish love" and is not literally feel love for someone, like Miyuki does for Tatsuya.