Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ohhh.....so this is what it means by "cross roads"

Well.. More or less. But do you see what he was trying to say versus what you were trying to correct and how they didn't exactly match up the same subject matter?

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ohhh.....so this is what it means by "cross roads"

Edit: we just lost our topic so; let start a new shipping war#!



Well we are already half of the said series; Tsutomu-sensei predicts that the series will last in 24-25 vols. Sooo....
what is your ideal ending for the series.

Tatsuya marrying Miyuki....

Miyuki being the head of Yotsuba...Tatsuya being the prime minister of Japan...

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I feel like you two are arguing entirely different points without realizing it.

Fujin isn't referring to military application. He's referring to the fact Tatsuya has amazingly fine tuned control of his magic, whereas Miyuki who also has good control, primarily uses area of attack magic against enemies. Inferno, Nifleheim, even Coyctus are spells that are more akin to a grenade incurring blast radius damage, effecting and changing an entire area, as opposed to Tatsuya whose magic is like a high caliber bullet. Hence Miyuki seems more brute force whilst Tatsuya seems more Finesse.

This is more a reference to how they chose to weild their magic instead of what they're capable of. Tatsuya seems to put forth the minimum effort required to get the job done, Miyuki is prone to overkill. Even though both their magic can be overkill, it really depends on perspective.


Thing is neither of you seem to be completely wrong on the point you're trying to argue, you're just referencing things that miss the other persons point entirely, so it's like you're arguing 2 different things.
Just to put your argument into perspective so it doesn't deteriorate into a pissing contest.

You took the words right out of my mind.

Tatsuya seems to be more adept in finesse, using the right amount of energy to execute his spells while Miyuki is more about power, with her spells tending to be overpowering sometimes.

I just assume that because Tatsuya seems to be always maximizing the distribution of his magic power, his spells are not too strong, not too weak, but just right, while Miyuki tends to overpower her spells, that Miyuki has the higher Psion count between them......

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Edit: we just lost our topic so; let start a new shipping war#!

Well we are already half of the said series; Tsutomu-sensei predicts that the series will last in 24-25 vols. Sooo....
what is your ideal ending for the series.

Oh god. Just.. oh god.

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

You took the words right out of my mind.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at doing that.

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Tatsuya marrying Miyuki....

Miyuki being the head of Yotsuba...Tatsuya being the prime minister of Japan...

OH MY GOD! This.. you guys.. no good can come from this. No good. Besides does Tatsuya even want to be prime minister?

I just want him to achieve his goal, build his working reactor, reveal that he's Taurus Silver, Reveal who he is and that he's a strategic Magician. Possibly and independent one. Maybe he takes over the 101 independent for Kazama.

More than anything, I just want Tatsuya to get some God Damn Recognition.

All that "You're just a weed!" crap. People need to know!

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Guest2

In short, the stated novel theories make it a possibility. Tatsuya atleast claims there is nothing that can truly harm him. But he cannot similarly recover from damage to his mind by outer-systematic magic. And if he continues to be drawn into battles where must use his innate magic alot, he's likely to have a short life like his mother and gramps.

There is no way Tatsuya can recover from brain damage. Lina could have killed him if she truly wanted, she doesn't use MI magic. Carbonizing his head with Brionac would be enough. SC magics would kill him and I am sure a lot of A rank magics like Rupture can kill him as well.

Originally Posted by Rava

Just wanted to comment on this while sifting through the pages.

It has been stated that he is more USED to casting one type of magic with one hand than the other. He's not incapable of casting with the other hand as the origin. Kind of like how someone who's right handed probably isn't going to be swinging a weapon in a style that favors the left hand because it won't be as effective.

That answers all the questions. If Decomposition magic is more powerful with his right hand then it's safe to assume Regrowth works better with his left hand but he can use them with both hands.

To decompose the bullets he used MD at point blank range, no coating. And I don't think that's possible.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

There is no way Tatsuya can recover from brain damage. Lina could have killed him if she truly wanted, she doesn't use MI magic. Carbonizing his head with Brionac would be enough. SC magics would kill him and I am sure a lot of A rank magics like Rupture can kill him as well.

I think as long as the death isn't instant, I think Tatsuya can regenerate......

If the mind is still aware of all things, if he is still capable of using magic, I think he can regenerate.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

I think as long as the death isn't instant, I think Tatsuya can regenerate......

If the mind is still aware of all things, if he is still capable of using magic, I think he can regenerate.

yup i agree with you.

his Auto Restoration speed is INSANE.

"No matter when I see his Self-Restoration, the sight always impresses me to no end."

Fujibayashi turned a half skeptical look at Yamanaka, who was happily remarking on the situation — albeit with an appropriately lowered volume to account for the crowd around them.

"......Did you really see Self-Restoration actually activating? I, for one, didn't see the psion waves generated by spell activation."

"Neither did I. I doubt Kudou-sama noticed either. That being said, the speed of his Self-Restoration ability has long since surpassed the realms of human cognition speeds."

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

I think as long as the death isn't instant, I think Tatsuya can regenerate......

If the mind is still aware of all things, if he is still capable of using magic, I think he can regenerate.

And I agree. But almost everything I listed count as instant death. Maybe he would be able survive Abyss but that's all. Heck, a weapon master competent enough could just slash his brain.

[pampz21]

You people are extremely lacking in the imagination department

Crunchyrolls most anticipated anime is Mahouka but i doubt they are the ones gonna handle it when it goes NA

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by pampz21

You people are extremely lacking in the imagination department

Crunchyrolls most anticipated anime is Mahouka but i doubt they are the ones gonna handle it when it goes NA

I can give you a theory how Tatsuya can bend spacetime via creating a wormhole.

First, Tatsuya identifies the space, his original position, the obstruction, and destination.

Second, he determines the physical distance between his original position and destination.

Third, he determines the space between his position and destination, ignoring physical obstruction in his path.

Fourth, he visualized the space between his original position and destination.

Lastly, he shortens the space, or removes the physical distance, by compressing the dimension between the origin and destination via decomposing their dimensional boundaries and barriers, creating a tunnel between his original location and destination, thus creating a wormhole.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

I can give you a theory how Tatsuya can bend spacetime via creating a wormhole.

First, Tatsuya identifies the space, his original position, the obstruction, and destination.

Second, he determines the physical distance between his original position and destination.

Third, he determines the space between his position and destination, ignoring physical obstruction in his path.

Fourth, he visualized the space between his original position and destination.

Lastly, he shortens the space, or removes the physical distance, by compressing the dimension between the origin and destination via decomposing their dimensional boundaries and barriers, creating a tunnel between his original location and destination, thus creating a wormhole.

Wow....but Tatsuya is a bs magician

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Wow....but Tatsuya is a bs magician

Isn't the whole BS thing slightly voided because of.. well you know, everything?

He's still kind of a BS magician, but he can also do some things slightly outside of it.

[Guest2]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

There is no way Tatsuya can recover from brain damage. Lina could have killed him if she truly wanted, she doesn't use MI magic. Carbonizing his head with Brionac would be enough. SC magics would kill him and I am sure a lot of A rank magics like Rupture can kill him as well.

You maybe right. For now though we can only go by whats in the novel, and Tatsuya has stated in V6 & V8 he can instantly recover even fatal injuries. He never mentioned brain injury being an exception. And since in this novel the brain is stated as being separate to a person's mind and not involved in the core thinking, one has to wonder what actual constitutes instant death in this world.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Guest2

You maybe right. For now though we can only go by whats in the novel, and Tatsuya has stated in V6 & V8 he can instantly recover even fatal injuries. He never mentioned brain injury being an exception. And since in this novel the brain is stated as being separate to a person's mind and not involved in the core thinking, one has to wonder what actual constitutes instant death in this world.

Yeah. Echizen has already been building a record of bringing up "facts" that aren't facts and continuing to argue them. Don't worry about it so much.

[Ultraviolet X]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ohhh.....so this is what it means by "cross roads"

Edit: we just lost our topic so; let start a new shipping war#!



Well we are already half of the said series; Tsutomu-sensei predicts that the series will last in 24-25 vols. Sooo....
what is your ideal ending for the series.

Need a hand pampz? im a pro at starting the shipping wars

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Guest2

You maybe right. For now though we can only go by whats in the novel, and Tatsuya has stated in V6 & V8 he can instantly recover even fatal injuries. He never mentioned brain injury being an exception. And since in this novel the brain is stated as being separate to a person's mind and not involved in the core thinking, one has to wonder what actual constitutes instant death in this world.

That's a good question.

Spoiler for Quote from V08:

Even if the heart had already stopped, the brain shut down, the throat torn
open, if that was the extent of their injuries then revival was still possible.
Even an instantly fatal wound, as long as rebuilding the body and restarting
the circulation of blood would have had even the faintest chance of
resuscitating the person, his ‘Regrowth’ could be said to give life to the
dead.

I admit I am a little confused here. So the body must be in a state where restarting the circulation of the blood would be useless for Regrowth to fail.

But I don't think Tatsuya's use his "mind" for Regrowth.

Spoiler for Other quotes from v08:

"Unfortunately, the artificial magic operation area is markedly inferior in
performance to that of a natural one, and he could only end up being used
as a Guardian."

The Magic Operation Area is not a physical area in the cerebrum, but rather
is a direct mental function.
Adding an artificial Magic Operation Area would therefore entail altering the
mental structure.
That would be impossible without Okaa-sama’s magic, ‘Mental Structure
Interference’……

It means Tatsuya is born without a magic operation area. This is the reason he can't use regular magic. So, the MOA is necessary only when he uses regular magics, for Regrowth and Decompositon "magic" he uses something else, this is likely his brain.

Now I wonder if he couldn't survive to Cocytus. Cocytus only freezes the mind, not the brain...

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ohhh.....so this is what it means by "cross roads"

Edit: we just lost our topic so; let start a new shipping war#!



Well we are already half of the said series; Tsutomu-sensei predicts that the series will last in 24-25 vols. Sooo....
what is your ideal ending for the series.

1) Tatsuya marries Miyuki. Takes leadership of the Yotsuba clan himself. Then takes her on a year long "honeymoon" in the Yotsuba estate. And basically turns himself into the Shadow Emperor of Japan. Then he and his wife shall have two godlike sons.

2) Tatsuya takes Miyuki and the 101st and, with their help,carves his own independent nation.

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

1) Tatsuya marries Miyuki. Takes leadership of the Yotsuba clan himself. Then takes her on a year long "honeymoon" in the Yotsuba estate. And basically turns himself into the Shadow Emperor of Japan. Then he and his wife shall have two godlike sons.

2) Tatsuya takes Miyuki and the 101st and, with their help,carves his own independent nation.

I could see a bit of both, though Kazama is probably too old and loyal for that stunt
Just use Tatsuya's high school crew instead. And we'll have the untied republic of Tatsuyapolis (chosen by Miyuki). Now, where to put Honoka?

[Rava]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

That's a good question.

Spoiler for Quote from V08:

Even if the heart had already stopped, the brain shut down, the throat torn
open, if that was the extent of their injuries then revival was still possible.
Even an instantly fatal wound, as long as rebuilding the body and restarting
the circulation of blood would have had even the faintest chance of
resuscitating the person, his ‘Regrowth’ could be said to give life to the
dead.

I admit I am a little confused here. So the body must be in a state where restarting the circulation of the blood would be useless for Regrowth to fail.

But I don't think Tatsuya's use his "mind" for Regrowth.

Spoiler for Other quotes from v08:

"Unfortunately, the artificial magic operation area is markedly inferior in
performance to that of a natural one, and he could only end up being used
as a Guardian."

The Magic Operation Area is not a physical area in the cerebrum, but rather
is a direct mental function.
Adding an artificial Magic Operation Area would therefore entail altering the
mental structure.
That would be impossible without Okaa-sama’s magic, ‘Mental Structure
Interference’……

It means Tatsuya is born without a magic operation area. This is the reason he can't use regular magic. So, the MOA is necessary only when he uses regular magics, for Regrowth and Decompositon "magic" he uses something else, this is likely his brain.

Now I wonder if he couldn't survive to Cocytus. Cocytus only freezes the mind, not the brain...

No, he has one. It's just devoted completely to Decomposition and Regrowth. That's why he needs the artificial one to use other magics (other than Gram Demolition).

But the part you quote does pretty much mean physical obliteration isn't enough to be permanent damage.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by Requiem-x

I could see a bit of both, though Kazama is probably too old and loyal for that stunt
Just use Tatsuya's high school crew instead. And we'll have the untied republic of Tatsuyapolis (chosen by Miyuki). Now, where to put Honoka?

As the loyal concubine? That way she gets what she wants and Miyuki knows that she doesnt have a any really competition.