[Manga] Chapter 511 Discussion

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Mr.Amazing

I don't think it's gonna be a war in the sense that were thinking. Every village versus Madra is all I can see happening. It's not gonna be the scope of what Kakashi grew up with at all.

Lots of fodder vs few elites is not a war? Check out in the Kakashi gaiden 1 vs 50, that is Yondaime killing 50 enemy ninjas in one move, then soon he kills unknown number of ninja who were about to kill Kakashi and Rin. Or 1 vs 1000, Sasuke beating 1000 shitty ninjas easily. I guess in shonen manga the meaning of "war" is a bit strange

[MidnightViper88]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

I guess in shonen manga the meaning of "war" is a bit strange

It's not really strange, but there's also not a lot of real-life examples to draw a comparison on, as far as a war between a few individuals versus a few states' militaries goes...For what the Naruto universe is concerned, the past ninja wars have been pretty close to your conventional, symmetric warfare, whereas this new war will be a very extreme case of unconventional, asymmetric warfare...

No doubt there's a significant difference in relative military power between a couple individuals and a couple villages, but I'm sure the handicap will be that each individual in Madara's company will have a set of superior tactics or techniques that will either match or be greater than that of, let's say, an infantry(ies) worth of atypical ninja fodder of any given village...

An individual of certain power or influence can still wage and lead a legitimate war against a larger state-sponsored belligerent and not have any official political recognition themselves...It's still a war in a literal sense, more asymmetrical warfare in a more technical term, and the indifference in quantitative power is probably what's throwing off a lot of people when the look at the players and think, "This can't be a war"...It's just that with shounen, if you're not a significant individual with a name, then you're just disposable fodder, so it's going to be the disproportionate ratio of casualties per aggressor that's going to make people believe that this is truly is a war, if the story ever gets to that point...And if it does get to that point, then yes, there will be blood...

[Ulquiorra]

In shonen fighting we usually like to guess who is going to fight who. For years that was how it was with the Akatsuki. In the Sasuke Rescue Arc it was the Sound Four vs. Team Shikamaru and we could guess what the matchups will be. The Chuunin Exams were self explanatory. The Konoha invasion brought us a number of matchups.

I don't think anyone cares if Madara or any of the zombies blow up a ton of mooks. I think notion of this war is what named characters on the good side are going to face what named characters on the bad side. And if Kishimoto will introduce any new villains to provide matchups for more good guys.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by MidnightViper88

An individual of certain power or influence can still wage and lead a legitimate war against a larger state-sponsored belligerent and not have any official political recognition themselves...

I think most governments have a formal process before they consider themselves officially at war. Of course whether or not war is formally declared usually doesn't stop fighting either way. And this is the Naruto world we're talking about anyways.

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

In shonen fighting we usually like to guess who is going to fight who. For years that was how it was with the Akatsuki. In the Sasuke Rescue Arc it was the Sound Four vs. Team Shikamaru and we could guess what the matchups will be. The Chuunin Exams were self explanatory. The Konoha invasion brought us a number of matchups.

The Konoha Invasion basically boiled down to Orochimaru vs. Sarutobi (and maybe Naruto vs. Gaara to a lesser extent). But Oro vs. Saru was so high-stakes that Oro pretty much believed if he could defeat Sandaime, it'd mean he had triumphed over Konoha entirely. The other battles consisted mainly of Kakashi, Jiraiya, Gai and a few other Konoha elites beating hordes of Sand and Sound nin senseless like it was nothing.

I think the 4th ninja war will be basically the inverse of the Konoha Invasion on a much wider scale. Inverted in that instead of a few good guy elites horribly beating nameless bad-guy soldiers it will be a few Akatsuki forces handing generic good guys their asses. And there will probably be a few groups of secondary character teams that are given some good fights for character development, but ultimately those won't matter in winning the war. It'll likely boil down to some kind of showdown involving Naruto, Sasuke and Madara.

[james0246]

Quick Question: Should I, when the chapter is released, create a thread for the Baseball One-Shot as well as Chapter 512, or should the One-Shot and Chapter be confined to one thread only?

[morbosfist]

It's a separate topic, so another thread might be better.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

It's a separate topic, so another thread might be better.

I actually posted too soon. Ultimately it will depend on the length of the one-shot. If it is too short, then I will just use one thread, but if it is a good length (8 or more pages), I'll probably start a new thread.

[defrule]

Could extraction work to Naruto's favour? No more fox to reject the two frogs from gathering natural energy for Naruto.

Unlimited perfect sage mode, add a bit of Kyuubi juice when needed.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

I have a question which popped in my head right now after being absent for a couple days here . A serious question which might happen.

Now that Naruto has seperated the Kyuubi inside his own body. The chakra from it's will...
Is it possible that...once Naruto gets captured... that he'll survive because of "that"? The energy that has been divided...?

How logical to me, and how illogical to others but... when one makes friends or alot of friends they are bound to help him eventually. So the fact that Naruto will get captured is going to happen eventually (that is what i believe)... ofcourse everyone (probably almost everyone indeed) is going to try to save Naruto. Just like how everyone from the Sand (alot later) came for Gaara.

[d' airscapez]

Spoiler for Chapter 512:

Tsuchikage : To think we lost intelligence.
Tsunade : What about the island ? I know it's moving around but we can't rest.
Raikage : The island can't be seen from Kumo. The enemy will never find it.
Gaara : But Kisame probably told his boss about the wereabout of the island. It's moving all right, but not that fast.
Kifune : We must dispatch reiforcements. If they manage to find the island, we're screwed.

Kifune: We should send reinforcements. Just a few, as there would be no meaning to it should the enemy discover them because they move in a large group.

Water is dripping... A cave?
Kabutomaru: This is amazing
Madara: But there is also a risk. In order to create something like this, I had to use the chakra from within Mazou, and I want to preserve that as much as possible. The further away the revival of the Juubi is, that just means I need to delay my plan further.
Kabutomaru: How many are there here?
Madara: Roughly 100,000. (They are all white Zetsus, all standing upright)

Tsuchikage: I will go (as reinforcements)!!
Gaara stops him
Tsuchikage cannot do anything since his back is always hurting
Gaara says that it'll be faster if he travels via his sand.

Kabutomaru: Well, you all just take your time
He boards one of Deidara's birds, Deidara is beside him.

Right before the big battle. Kabuto draws near seeking power!!
The end.
It appears they are heading to where Bee and Naruto are. Deidara hasn't spoken yet.

[james0246]

[Manga] Chapter 512 Discussion is open. Please move relevant discussions there...

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by james0246

I actually posted too soon. Ultimately it will depend on the length of the one-shot. If it is too short, then I will just use one thread, but if it is a good length (8 or more pages), I'll probably start a new thread.

It'd be more than 8 pages for sure (I'd say around 40), so I'm all for a seperate thread otherwise discussions will get really confusing.