2011-04-18, 11:27 | Link #421 |
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How is Koyuki stupid? To start, idiots don't make it to student council president. As far as I know, in Asia it doesn't quite work that way - academic competence forms a large component in popularity there.
It's quite possible, if you're Miss Popular, to live wholly unaware of the bottom feeders and what they suffer through. She's naive that way. You can tell from the way she cries at Hijiri's story that she's not exactly well-experienced when it comes to hearing of others' profound suffering, and compared to other characters, she met Toru very recently. |
2011-04-18, 12:00 | Link #422 |
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I think when they're saying too dumb or whatnot when it comes to Koyuki, they really mean innocent
After all, so far her Iris and background actually stand out against all the bleaker backgrounds of all other characters, since she hasn't gone through any psychological torment that the rest have. Is Koyuki dumb? No, but up until now, she was relatively innocent when it came to Irises
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2011-04-18, 13:36 | Link #424 | |
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Whether you like her character archetype or not, Koyuki has more than cosmetic value in this series. |
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2011-04-19, 06:20 | Link #427 | |
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Having said that, she is extremely naive. Then again, so is Toru. I hope they never come up against a person who does bad thing 'just because' |
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2011-04-20, 23:06 | Link #433 |
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erm... let's summarize:
1) Personality of Koyuki? (ANS: Koyuki = naive, innocent. Some ppl consider extreme naivety to be weak (ie. extreme naivety = weak), while some ppl don't.) 2) Will Koyuki ever become not naive? (ANS: most probably not for the rest of the manga since it's her character type) 3) Will a naive and innocent girl become annoying as the main heroine? (ANS: some ppl are "ok" with this, but most readers like to see a stronger character type as a personality of the heroine) 4) Will Koyuki ever "grow" as a character? (ANS: Yes) 5) Will Kuga be better as a partner to Toru than Koyuki? (ANS: This is a personal answer, but my answer is "Yes". Reason: Kuga is both very intelligent and analytical, which will help Toru solve mysteries faster because she can cover areas that Toru might have missed (ie. 2 detectives are better than one right?) Some ppl mentioned that Koyuki has a good social relationship with the schoolmates, which helped Toru return the lost Iris to the students, therefore Koyuki is the best partner for Toru, but we should also remember that Kuga is the one who talked to each students individually to "steal" their Iris away first, therefore Kuga could have done the same thing if she is in Koyuki's position. In conclusion, I really don't like a naive and innocent heroine as the love interest of the main guy. Smart/intelligent heroine makes the story more interesting all the time. Kuga in this case fits the perfect bill, plus she is cuter than Koyuki. XD) 6) When is the best time Kuga and Toru get together? (ANS: After Toru save Kuga from her death) 7) Is Toru and his friends (ie. Toru & Friends Detective Agency) over powered as a mystery solving group? (ANS: Yes, they are! With Toru's analyzing ability that put himself in other ppl's shoes, plus Kuga (mind reading), koyuki (solution finder), and Yuki (lie detector), they are an unstoppable group that can pretty much solve any mystery...... |
2011-04-21, 01:59 | Link #434 | |
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Another reason for not using the intelligent-intelligent pair combo is that it could make the story over-convoluted(too much cook make the pot burnt right?) or the protagonist combo will look either too cold-blooded or cowardly because as we know, analytical person tend to only act after taking everything into account and sometimes(if not always) will choose the "safest" way even if it sacrifice a few people along the way. Some thing to be noted, I'm not talking about love relationship here, but only for partner relationship when solving problem. Having 2 opposite personality as a partnership will complement each other's weakness and works better than strengthen your strength even further while also making your weakness even greater, which will happen if 2 similar personality partnership is made. |
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2011-04-21, 07:00 | Link #435 | |
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Someone who assumes she knows the motivation behind characters and does not bother to ask questions will not learn, and it certainly will not help Toru get off his feet and do some work. He does not need someone to do the analyzing for him when he does an adequate job on his own. What he needs is the motivation to break his minimal exposure policy. If it were Kuga, she would have agreed with it and left him alone. |
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2011-04-21, 11:34 | Link #436 | ||||
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I am pretty sure Toru will still solve the mystery and tried to save ppl regardless of whether someone (Koyuki) is there to drag him off his feet and get some work done. The reason is because Toru is the kind of person that will not leave problems alone. (ie. A good example would be Shinozuka and Tachibana problem, Toru came "Uninvited" and help saved the day) So your point that Toru absolutely "needs" Koyuki is pointless since Toru could have done just as well with Kuga. So regardless of whether he breaks his minimal exposure policy or not, even if Kuga is beside Toru instead of Koyuki on "future" cases, the pair will still do just as well, if not even better since Kuga is much smarter and analytical than Koyuki. Quote:
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