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Wandering Soul · 2018-07-07, 01:27

Pretty good episode and best premiere so far. Nice animation, fitting music, and cool characters. Ash is a pretty likable character so far and I'm looking forward to seeing whether or not Eiji can rise up to match him and build up an interesting relationship with him.

Kanon · 2018-07-07, 11:29

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Afghanistan would be a possibility too.

Didn't they mention Irak in this episode? Or did I just imagine it?

Nivek von Beldo · 2018-07-07, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Didn't they mention Irak in this episode? Or did I just imagine it?

Nope they Mentioned it. plus that architecture is more iraq that afghanistan one

Yu Ominae · 2018-07-08, 06:53

IIRC. Press releases mention that the modern setting is in the Iraq War.

Haak · 2018-07-08, 12:09

That was an amazing premiere, head and shoulders above everything else thus far. Its gonna be hard to top that.

Alchemist007 · 2018-07-08, 13:50

I sort of wish it had stayed with an 80s vibe (since that's when the manga started), but nonetheless it looks interesting and I will keep watching.

Nivek von Beldo · 2018-07-12, 15:24

This series is action packed...but too gay for my taste...still watching it for he time being.

Love the gross realism, Eiji was able to jump but got injured for it and how Ash creativity the whole way.

The Black Guy always die first.

This series is so real and so cartoony yet work so well.hope next chapter is an insane as this one..and less Gay(that is not possible)

drawr · 2018-07-12, 16:32

Ash's life is so suffering. The whole interrogation segment with the corrupt officer's tactics to get a confession left me really upset. A good sign to be handling the heavy subject matter well from the onset though.

Kanon · 2018-07-12, 17:36

Things are progressing really fast. Skipper died and Ash was framed for Marvin's murder and is going to prison with a giant target painted on his back. I guess he'll have to count on that Max guy to survive. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get raped though.

G0rd0 · 2018-07-12, 17:46

man im really glad i decided to watch this im really loving the op song anybody else

Wandering Soul · 2018-07-12, 20:08

That corrupt cop really was terrible. Playing Ash's past like that to get a confession was low. Skipper is dead and now Ash is in an even worse situation then he was in before.

MeoTwister5 · 2018-07-13, 08:37

Ok while these were two fantastic episodes... it's really uncomfortable to watch at times.

Maybe it's just me, and hopefully I don't offend anybody, but this story feels uncomfortably sexist (homophobic?) and possibly even a bit too racist?

The second episode felt like it went pretty overboard and possibly even stereotypical with all the homosexuality it used. Homoerotic flirting between characters on opposing fronts, a fat gay pedophile rapist, cops laughing off pedophilia home videos, crybaby effeminate deuteragonist that looks puppyloved on the protagonist, all the state prison inmates want to sodomize him, etc.

I don't know. Maybe using "-ist" adjectives is not the correct term to use. A part of me believes that this probably just reflects attitudes back in the era the original was made, but it kind of feels like the author unecessarily and/or excessively highlights some possibly biased impressions of certain populations here.

(FWIW I'm a straight Asian male.)

Cloudedmind · 2018-07-13, 10:21

While some of the depictions have been amped up to 11, that fact of the matter is that even today most of this stuff still goes on.

There are documented cases of police officers using various scare and other tactics to coerce someone to confess to a crime they didn't commit. That's one of the reasons why the Innocence Project exists, https://www.innocenceproject.org/cau...ns-admissions/.

In the type of environment that Ash and crew run around in (hell even in just the general populace), there's still rampant homophobia, sexism, and racism. These aren't just the attitudes of a by gone era. Most people especially in the general populace are just less open about it.

Prison rape and sexual assault still happens, although perhaps not at the rate some people may believe, and it's sadly become more of a joke in our society then an actual concern.
http://www.femifesto.ca/debunking-my...t-prison-rape/
https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131113&page=1
https://rewire.news/article/2018/01/...g-isnt-option/

I do agree that I wish that some of the bad guys felt less like Snidely Whiplash type villians. I also call bs on the lack of tattoo's (j/k...mostly)

MeoTwister5 · 2018-07-13, 11:07

I know. I'm just pointing out the feeling that they're focusing too much on things that are more exceptions than the rules.

LG-MAX 2.o · 2018-07-13, 11:19

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Maybe it's just me, and hopefully I don't offend anybody, but this story feels uncomfortably sexist (homophobic?) and possibly even a bit too racist?

the story was written during the 1980s, before the SJW dominated the world.

Cloudedmind · 2018-07-13, 11:49

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I know. I'm just pointing out the feeling that they're focusing too much on things that are more exceptions than the rules.

And I guess my point is that these things aren't actually exceptions.

shmaster · 2018-07-13, 11:59

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And I guess my point is that these things aren't actually exceptions.

It is more of a questiopn of "where".

These things are more common in the dark side of inner city of Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, New York, and more phobic (or even hateful) southern cities.

But once you turn to more peaceful suburbs, things like this don't happen much.

Cloudedmind · 2018-07-13, 12:30

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Originally Posted by shmaster

It is more of a questiopn of "where".

These things are more common in the dark side of inner city of Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, New York, and more phobic (or even hateful) southern cities.

But once you turn to more peaceful suburbs, things like this don't happen much.

I was actually about to come back, and update my comment to clarify exactly this. So, thanks for that! But yes, I agree where you live does make a difference. You are more likely to see many of these types of things happening more openly in densely populated urban cities, especially the poorer areas of cities like these. But this stuff happens in the suburbs as well. It's just more covert. That's partly what the movie Get Out is about (more so in relation to racism), which takes place in suburban America.

Anh_Minh · 2018-07-13, 17:20

So, how many laws did that interrogation break? (Not that it matters, I suppose, since it's a cop breaking them...) Especially considering Ash's a minor.

Wandering Soul · 2018-07-13, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

So, how many laws did that interrogation break? (Not that it matters, I suppose, since it's a cop breaking them...) Especially considering Ash's a minor.

Don't know about specific laws, but just a few things wrong:
-I'm pretty sure you can't cause that kind of emotional and psychological distress to a minor.
-The Police still don't have any hard evidence he didn't since having a motive doesn't automatically mean you did the crime.
-Assuming not every cop in that precinct is corrupt and no one tampered with the evidence, someone should notice that gun is clean of Ash's DNA.
-Pretty sure you can't immediately convict a minor and send to them a state prison of all places just because the defense didn't show up.

In the end I guess you just have to hand wave all these away with the explanation "Dino's just that powerful".

2018-07-07, 01:27	Link #21
Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	Pretty good episode and best premiere so far. Nice animation, fitting music, and cool characters. Ash is a pretty likable character so far and I'm looking forward to seeing whether or not Eiji can rise up to match him and build up an interesting relationship with him. __________________

2018-07-08, 06:53	Link #24
Yu Ominae ARCAM Spriggan agent Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada/Quezon City, Philippines	IIRC. Press releases mention that the modern setting is in the Iraq War. __________________ Even if we were at odds with each other, I still thank you for training me, Instructor Bowman - Yu Ominae, reflecting on Bowman's death after killing him in Phantom Island

2018-07-08, 12:09	Link #25
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	That was an amazing premiere, head and shoulders above everything else thus far. Its gonna be hard to top that. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2018-07-08, 13:50	Link #26
Alchemist007 Senior Member Author Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA	I sort of wish it had stayed with an 80s vibe (since that's when the manga started), but nonetheless it looks interesting and I will keep watching. __________________ Fanfics Art MyAnimeList

2018-07-12, 16:32	Link #28
drawr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	Ash's life is so suffering. The whole interrogation segment with the corrupt officer's tactics to get a confession left me really upset. A good sign to be handling the heavy subject matter well from the onset though. Last edited by drawr; 2018-07-12 at 16:45.

2018-07-12, 15:24	Link #27
Nivek von Beldo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	This series is action packed...but too gay for my taste...still watching it for he time being. Love the gross realism, Eiji was able to jump but got injured for it and how Ash creativity the whole way. The Black Guy always die first. This series is so real and so cartoony yet work so well.hope next chapter is an insane as this one..and less Gay(that is not possible)

2018-07-12, 17:36	Link #29
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Things are progressing really fast. Skipper died and Ash was framed for Marvin's murder and is going to prison with a giant target painted on his back. I guess he'll have to count on that Max guy to survive. I'll be surprised if he doesn't get raped though. __________________

2018-07-12, 17:46	Link #30
G0rd0 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	man im really glad i decided to watch this im really loving the op song anybody else

2018-07-12, 20:08	Link #31
Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	That corrupt cop really was terrible. Playing Ash's past like that to get a confession was low. Skipper is dead and now Ash is in an even worse situation then he was in before. __________________

2018-07-13, 08:37	Link #32
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	Ok while these were two fantastic episodes... it's really uncomfortable to watch at times. Maybe it's just me, and hopefully I don't offend anybody, but this story feels uncomfortably sexist (homophobic?) and possibly even a bit too racist? The second episode felt like it went pretty overboard and possibly even stereotypical with all the homosexuality it used. Homoerotic flirting between characters on opposing fronts, a fat gay pedophile rapist, cops laughing off pedophilia home videos, crybaby effeminate deuteragonist that looks puppyloved on the protagonist, all the state prison inmates want to sodomize him, etc. I don't know. Maybe using "-ist" adjectives is not the correct term to use. A part of me believes that this probably just reflects attitudes back in the era the original was made, but it kind of feels like the author unecessarily and/or excessively highlights some possibly biased impressions of certain populations here. (FWIW I'm a straight Asian male.) __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-07-13, 10:21	Link #33
Cloudedmind Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: California Age: 38	While some of the depictions have been amped up to 11, that fact of the matter is that even today most of this stuff still goes on. There are documented cases of police officers using various scare and other tactics to coerce someone to confess to a crime they didn't commit. That's one of the reasons why the Innocence Project exists, https://www.innocenceproject.org/cau...ns-admissions/. In the type of environment that Ash and crew run around in (hell even in just the general populace), there's still rampant homophobia, sexism, and racism. These aren't just the attitudes of a by gone era. Most people especially in the general populace are just less open about it. Prison rape and sexual assault still happens, although perhaps not at the rate some people may believe, and it's sadly become more of a joke in our society then an actual concern. http://www.femifesto.ca/debunking-my...t-prison-rape/ https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131113&page=1 https://rewire.news/article/2018/01/...g-isnt-option/ I do agree that I wish that some of the bad guys felt less like Snidely Whiplash type villians. I also call bs on the lack of tattoo's (j/k...mostly) __________________

2018-07-13, 11:07	Link #34
MeoTwister5 Komrades of Kitamura Kou Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 39	I know. I'm just pointing out the feeling that they're focusing too much on things that are more exceptions than the rules. __________________ Medical Student vs. Anime Last Exile - Fam the Silver Wing -

2018-07-13, 17:20	Link #39
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	So, how many laws did that interrogation break? (Not that it matters, I suppose, since it's a cop breaking them...) Especially considering Ash's a minor.