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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - Episode 38 Rating
Perfect 10 15 40.54%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 15 40.54%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 5 13.51%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 5.41%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
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Old 2016-12-26, 08:15   Link #81
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There's also G-Self which Bellri didn't changed suits throughout the series. G-Self only got mission packs including the Perfect Pack.
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Old 2016-12-26, 09:26   Link #82
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There's also G-Self which Bellri didn't changed suits throughout the series. G-Self only got mission packs including the Perfect Pack.
Oh yeah. Though I'm going to be honest here, I haven't watched that series yet.
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Old 2016-12-26, 11:03   Link #83
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Well, first of all, Merry Christmas to everyone!

Next, while this wasn't the most thrilling of episodes, it had such a mix of emotions that I was a bit at a lost of what to make of it.

The Hashmal battle was awesome and shows Mika's ferocity and how much he doesn't even bother with his own safety when he falls into that mode, not accepting any help and only going in full force.
And now you have Orga, who I have a feeling is like the baby bird in the nest that has grown to big for the nest and so the thorns and bristles that were made into the next is beginning to poke and needle him. Teiwaz is the nest and while I did think they were needed to begin with, I also think that it might be time for Tekkadan to be out on their own. However, Orga still has lessons to learn in being a leader in keeping the goal in mind even within yourself.

Mika's loss is fascinating in how much it doesn't really bother him. Both Atra and Kudelia observe that he hasn't really changed at all from the experience and it's a harsh lesson that we kind of know and they sort of simply have to observe in order to realize. Mika is not like other Gundam MCs, he's pretty much set in his ways. A pretty speech and a nice song might make him interested in other things, but it won't be a life changing experience. He's not just going to suddenly take a vow of non-lethal force like Kira I-will-cut off-the limbs-of-every-mech-I-see Yamato.
He's going to be the same guy from before, mostly unchanged, slightly unhinged, and completely loyal only to one man.
Orga and Mika's relationship once again shows it's dark depths as Orga honestly has no choice but to let Mika keep going. As Nadi says, it's not that he won't, it's that he can't. He and Mika are in this together and as long as he keeps going, so does Mika and vice versa. That scene at the end was quite the deep and somber scene. I hope not, but I see tragedy, or at least a near tragedy on the horizon. Yet, I think if Mika goes, Orga is going with him. I recall that quote in Winter Soldier. "I'm with you, until the end of the line." and I think this would hold true to this pair. In fact, I would add the line "--and beyond" to the end of it. Because even if that "place they belong" ends up being death for Mika, Orga would still guide him there.

But I'm praying that it doesn't end up that way and that somehow this all works out. Though, with all this foreshadowing, something is going on with Teiwaz. Seeing Iok getting thrown under the bus was hilarious. And now he's working with the idiot in the leopard print coat? Oh this is going to be good. I think Jasley is going to regret ever having called Iok's number...

I'm wondering how things are going to go for Macky, now that he's been inspired by Mika. He's looking a little sinister there. But hopefully that will work itself out too. Bael looked rather awesome. Gaelio was revived and hidden by someone, but who? And they sent Kimaris back to the Bauduin family...why do I get the feeling like daddy Fareed contacted old pal, daddy Bauduin and that they together have been supporting Vigali? And what is Rustal planning, the looks he was giving while talking to Julietta and Iok seemed rather sinister as well.

So, where is this second half going to go? Hopefully they can get Mika something to get around with so Hush doesn't have to carry him around all the time. And will Atra ever realize that she herself should go out and take what she wants? She wants Mika's baby? Then go for it girl!
This seemed like more of a set up episode than anything, so we'll have to see where it all leads for our Iron-Blooded Orphans.
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Old 2016-12-26, 11:45   Link #84
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Boy. Someone will be very jealous.
Setsuna? If yes then I'd say "Nah". At the end of Trailblazer movie, he has become ELSetsuna who can assimilate and become anything (including Gundam). Heck, in the manga that continued the story a wee bit further, Setsuna turned granny-Marina young and pretty again. So yeah, ELSetsuna has all kinds of "alien magic" that nothing will make him jealous .

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Question guys, if the Batbatos remains as Mika's Gundam till the end, will it be the first time (non-UC timeline) that a MC did not change Gundams (minus upgrades)?
Flit & Asemu from AGE never changed their Gundams. Just upgrades.

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Oh yeah. Though I'm going to be honest here, I haven't watched that series yet.
G-Reco a visual feast. One of the most beautifully-animated Gundam TV series ever (with retro designs), especially during the second-half IIRC. Just don't think about the overall plot too much (it's a mess) and go with the flow of the absurdity in the storytelling and I think you'll enjoy it, and will probably get a good laugh or two.

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Gaelio was revived and hidden by someone, but who? And they sent Kimaris back to the Bauduin family...why do I get the feeling like daddy Fareed contacted old pal, daddy Bauduin and that they together have been supporting Vigali?
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. If it's true then McG is truly fucked since pretty much most of his enemies know his betrayal and his general plan/intention with Gjallarhorn now given Gaelio told them everything he knows, and the info might have been spread to other 7S families too beside Fareed, Bauduin & Elion.
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Old 2016-12-26, 11:50   Link #85
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I did like the name Riden-Go. You have to say it like ride tho.
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Old 2016-12-26, 12:14   Link #86
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I can't agree with this either. Mika knows exactly what he's fighting for - for Orga and the place Orga wants to reach. That was the whole point of their conversation at the end: in the face of the heavy price he (or rather Mika) has to pay, Orga is second-guessing himself, doubting if it's worth it, if he even wants to reach it at all, but Mika doesn't let him doubt himself and the path he's chosen because Orga doubting it will strip Mika's whole life and his current existence as a weapon (the only one possible to him anymore) of any meaning. Ironically, it's basically what Naze told Orga in the last episode of season 1: you have to be the one who believes in what you're doing, or all the lost lives and sacrifices Tekkadan made will be meaningless (loose quote).

There is no doubt that Mika cares about Atra and Kudelia, but his fanatical devotion to Orga is just on a completely different level. He'll do what he can for them, but if it's between Orga's safety and their safety, he won't hesitate to choose the former. Even with the MA, what decided Mika in the end wasn't Kudelia or Atra's safety but Orga explicitly intending to put himself in danger by going out into the field in his custom Shiden. There is a very clear list of priorities in Mika's head, and neither Kudelia or Arta are number 1 on it. It's sad, but it seems that Mikazuki was meant to be a tragic character from the start, so it fits.[/SPOILER]
When Chryse was under the looming threat of the mobile armor, Kudelia's decision to hold the line in the city with everybody else with Atra was enough to sway Mika to make his stand here rather than telling her that it is Orga's orders to get the hell out of dodge. And even Orga would put his life first before Kudelia just as Mika would give his life before Orga's because they are the ones fighting. Even if he didn't saw himself as a weapon for Orga he is still under his command and they give their 100% if they have to.
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Old 2016-12-26, 12:38   Link #87
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Yeah, that's pretty interesting. If it's true then McG is truly fucked since pretty much most of his enemies know his betrayal and his general plan/intention with Gjallarhorn now given Gaelio told them everything he knows, and the info might have been spread to other 7S families too beside Fareed, Bauduin & Elion.
Come on, this is Gundam. Do you really think the Char clone, who happens to be fighting the system and is one of the most popular characters in the show, is going to lose to two evil old aristocrats who have been long past their prime and get next to no screen time? Obstacle? Yes. But no. Macky can pretty much think or fight his way around anything. It's why he's been running rings around the 7S as it is. Also, he has the added benefit of being an orphan from a poor background as well. That alone gives you a huge boost plotwise in this story.

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When Chryse was under the looming threat of the mobile armor, Kudelia's decision to hold the line in the city with everybody else with Atra was enough to sway Mika to make his stand here rather than telling her that it is Orga's orders to get the hell out of dodge. And even Orga would put his life first before Kudelia just as Mika would give his life before Orga's because they are the ones fighting. Even if he didn't saw himself as a weapon for Orga he is still under his command and they give their 100% if they have to.
I have to beg to differ, it was more so that Mika was going to take a stand anyway, and that he simply just understood and supported Kudelia and Atra's decision. His decision to fight had nothing to do with Kudelia, he was going to do that anyway. The same with Orga, he was fighting to save the people of the city, Kudelia included. But even if she hadn't been there, he still would have fought to save it.
While most, especially those who have been with them since the beginning, would give their lives for Orga and Tekkadan, it's nothing in comparison to Mika. Mika literally lives and breathes for Orga. He is his raison d'etre. He will do whatever he orders, go wherever he tells him, and Orga is the reason that Mika fights. He will do any and everything to protect Orga.
He is his reason for living, even more than Kudelia, Atra, even Tekkadan.
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I did like the name Riden-Go. You have to say it like ride tho.
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Now we see another Metal Gear reference.

By the way, if Iok was found out to be communicating with Jasley, would Rustal shrug it off?
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Old 2016-12-26, 12:54   Link #89
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If Gaelio is being backed by the Bauduin family, though, it brings back that question of why McGillis' betrayal hasn't been revealed to everyone. Because if you have six families (since the Issue family is currently unrepresented), and the Bauduins, Elions, and Kujans were all to go "Nah, McG is bad and has caused loads of trouble," then the Baklavans and the Falks would have to listen. Even moreso if the former head of the Fareed family was backing them up.
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If Gaelio is being backed by the Bauduin family, though, it brings back that question of why McGillis' betrayal hasn't been revealed to everyone. Because if you have six families (since the Issue family is currently unrepresented), and the Bauduins, Elions, and Kujans were all to go "Nah, McG is bad and has caused loads of trouble," then the Baklavans and the Falks would have to listen. Even moreso if the former head of the Fareed family was backing them up.
Probably some plot they put together. Remember that daddy Fareed and Bauduin were all about power grabs as well, that was what the while arranged marriage was about, as well as Gaelio's dad pushing him to marry. It wouldn't surprise me, if they don't say anything because of this it's not just about justice or vengeance, it's all about who comes out on top or something like that.
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Probably some plot they put together. Remember that daddy Fareed and Bauduin were all about power grabs as well, that was what the while arranged marriage was about, as well as Gaelio's dad pushing him to marry. It wouldn't surprise me, if they don't say anything because of this it's not just about justice or vengeance, it's all about who comes out on top or something like that.
That would make sense, yeah.
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I get the feeling by the end Orga is going to have to put Mika down or Mika is going to kill Orga and then himself, for some reason I don't see them having a happily ever after because of this episode
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I have to beg to differ, it was more so that Mika was going to take a stand anyway, and that he simply just understood and supported Kudelia and Atra's decision. His decision to fight had nothing to do with Kudelia, he was going to do that anyway. The same with Orga, he was fighting to save the people of the city, Kudelia included. But even if she hadn't been there, he still would have fought to save it.
While most, especially those who have been with them since the beginning, would give their lives for Orga and Tekkadan, it's nothing in comparison to Mika. Mika literally lives and breathes for Orga. He is his raison d'etre. He will do whatever he orders, go wherever he tells him, and Orga is the reason that Mika fights. He will do any and everything to protect Orga.
Except, you know, stay put like Orga told him to.
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I wonder if Atra thought of this baby making so Mika could develop a sense of preservation now that he literally would have to live for the sake of his own children.
I think Kudelia missed the message but it was quite obvious.

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It really feels as if Atra doesn't know how babies are made. Mika is going to struggle a lot in his current state if he wants to make a child.

Meanwhile McGillis continues to get crazier or rather Mika-lized.
The answer is always rape.

Btw, I think the new system might save Mika from becoming mechadependent for life.
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I wonder if Atra thought of this baby making so Mika could develop a sense of preservation now that he literally would have to live for the sake of his own children.
I think Kudelia missed the message but it was quite obvious.
Yeah, I think that's exactly what Atra had in mind, but it kind of demonstrates how little she understands Mika -- because if there's one thing this episode hammered in, it's that literally nothing will stop Mika from fighting for Orga. Kids wouldn't be the magic bullet Atra seems to think they would.

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It really feels as if Atra doesn't know how babies are made. Mika is going to struggle a lot in his current state if he wants to make a child.
Most people with paralysis can still have sex. Not necessarily entirely without issue, because paralysis very often comes with a host of other problems that can interfere with sex -- the statistics are something like 79% of men with partial lower body paralysis can have sex (with help and often with medication) and 30% of men with complete lower body paralysis.

Mika seems to have partial lower body paralysis, since we're told that he's lost all movement down one side, and since he seems to be able to somewhat move one of his legs -- it looks like one leg (and hip) is completely paralysed while the other has some feeling and movement in it, but not enough to function. So chances are good that he can conceive a child!
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But would Kudelia actually consider trying?
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Atra worked in a brothel. I am pretty sure she knows how sex works.

I really cant see Kudelia doing it.

Besides that baby is not being porn for lets say 10 months. I don't see this war dragging on for another 10 months.
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Except, you know, stay put like Orga told him to.
Well, Mika isn't an automaton, he does have a superceding law within his own mind as well. It's that part of him that literally yanked Orga from out of his depression last season, even though Orga told him to leave him alone. If what Orga asks him to do, is something that would harm Orga or Tekkadan (since to hurt Tekkadan would also hurt Orga) then Mika will go against that order. He lives for Orga, even if that means to protect Orga from himself.
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Yeah Mika would have set still and watched provided Orga's alternate plan was likely to be effective.
In this case Orga's alternate plan is pretty likely to get everyone killed and still require Mika to go in anyway.
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G-Reco a visual feast. One of the most beautifully-animated Gundam TV series ever (with retro designs), especially during the second-half IIRC. Just don't think about the overall plot too much (it's a mess) and go with the flow of the absurdity in the storytelling and I think you'll enjoy it, and will probably get a good laugh or two.
I dropped it at about ep.3 when it was airing, and it even made me lose faith into the Gundam franchise (oh boy, thanks god I gave IBO a chance because I was too bored and starved for some mecha action). I'm trying to finish G-reco now but to be completely honest, the more progress I make, the more confident I become that I wasn't wrong to drop it the first time around...

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When Chryse was under the looming threat of the mobile armor, Kudelia's decision to hold the line in the city with everybody else with Atra was enough to sway Mika to make his stand here rather than telling her that it is Orga's orders to get the hell out of dodge. And even Orga would put his life first before Kudelia just as Mika would give his life before Orga's because they are the ones fighting. Even if he didn't saw himself as a weapon for Orga he is still under his command and they give their 100% if they have to.
It didn't sway him. By now he knows very well what kind of person Kudelia is, so the dedication to her work that she showed was in line with how he perceives her. He also says that he will finish the MA "before it gets here", and by "here" he means Orga's location (the camp where Orga is).

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Yeah Mika would have set still and watched provided Orga's alternate plan was likely to be effective.
In this case Orga's alternate plan is pretty likely to get everyone killed and still require Mika to go in anyway.
Yes, that's what I was thinking as well. We're somewhat forgetting that Mika is a genius fighter, he can seize up the battle situation accurately and in no time. He asked Orga what the plan was, and he only refused to stay put because said plan about what to do with Hashmal after Flauros separated it from Plumas was way too shaky (not really Orga's fault, but ultimately more Idiok's). It guaranteed lots of victims (with Orga likely on the list) but didn't provide any guarantee of Hashmal getting successfully destroyed (remember Mika's blunt question "will it be enough?" to Orga after Orga told him that they would use all available firepower to destroy Hashmal, and how Orga faltered at that question). Orga was trying to put up a facade of false assurance even though he, too, knew, that their available firepower wasn't enough and the chances weren't good (we even hear his thoughts earlier where he doubts if they can take down a monster like Hashmal even with McGillis' help). But of course, with Mika his attempted deception wasn't going to work, especially after he himself couldn't stay put because everything was going to hell. So Mika knew perfectly well that at that point the only way to prevent the death of Orga and everyone in Chryse (in that order) was for Mika himself to go. Orga knew it, too, but couldn't bring himself to accept it until Mika forced him by making his own decision to go.

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I get the feeling by the end Orga is going to have to put Mika down or Mika is going to kill Orga and then himself, for some reason I don't see them having a happily ever after because of this episode
I'm not excluding the possibility of Orga shooting Mika at the end (because why is it him with a gun on the s2 poster instead of Mika when we've never seen him hold a gun in this season at all?) It will break my heart though, so I kinda want to be wrong.

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And will Atra ever realize that she herself should go out and take what she wants? She wants Mika's baby? Then go for it girl!
Yeah, Atra, your initiative, so just do it yourself and stop freaking out poor Kudelia. It might even work out for you

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But would Kudelia actually consider trying?
We're talking about a pure virgin girl here who was a total mess after a kiss (which was nothing more than an innocent brush of lips, mind you) and went as far as considering a marriage based solely on that. She gained a lot of knowledge since s1, sure, but I'm willing to bet broadening her sex-related knowledge wasn't on the list. Mika in a perfectly healthy condition is one thing, but with him half-paralyzed and thus his partner (in this case Kudelia) having to do all the work? Forget about making it work, she'd be dying from embarrassment sooner, seriously
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