Monogatari Series Second Season - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll (Mayoi Jiangshi III)

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[omimon]

I think you are missing an "I".

[Daniel Lind]

Remember when this was supposed to be Mayoi's arc?
Me neither.

[omimon]

Shinobu's meatbuns.......delicious...

[DorkingtonPugsly]

I'm still feeling the awkward rush/pace, even in this episode, I don't know why. But otherwise it was lush. I liked the zombies, very shafty. This coming week is gona go by so slow.

[redgrnbluylw]

Araragi in a kimono really reminds me of Zetsubou Sensei. Anybody else see this?

And how did Shinobu and Araragi not consider the possibility that the fireworks may attract the zombies as well? You'd think that they would have thought of that.

Furthermore, I thought Hanekawa of all people would have found a way to survive. :/

[ices]

Hanekawa or rather black hanekawa, maybe.

[Xical]

Originally Posted by redgrnbluylw

Furthermore, I thought Hanekawa of all people would have found a way to survive. :/

Dont you think if Hanekawa is involved in Araragi death, she will be in the top place of the kill list of Shinobu and Gahara-san?

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Xical

Dont you think if Hanekawa is involved in Araragi death, she will be in the top place of the kill list of Shinobu and Gahara-san?

Shinobu yes, but Gahara? Bitch is a human what she gonna do about it?

Spoiler for Comparison to the novel:

As for the parts that the anime skipped, it's really too bad because those were some decent KoyomixShinobu moments. Those were the parts that really made Kabuki a novel that rivaled Kizu.

With this in mind I think I need to do some explanations that the show completely skipped. This arc is particularly Sci-fi.

Remember last episode when Araragi was talking about saving Hachikuji and Shinobu said that it'll only prevent her death for a short while? What that entails is that you can't change destiny. What is supposed to happen will happen no matter what. Meaning there was no point in Araragi going back to the past in the first place since if he was destined to not finish his homework, he wasn't going to finish it no matter what.

This is a very important fact that you need to know about how time and fate works in this series.

Also Araragi does a lot of lovey-dovey stuff with Shinobu in the parts that was skipped. (Reason why it is the top 2 novel)
-Purpose that they should kiss
-Pronounces that they'll die together
-Traveling across Japan and having a honeymoon like experience during the three days before they lit up the fireworks.

[HandofFate]

dang, very good episode.
Monogatari: Biohazard edition.

Wish I had a vampire loli in my shadow so I could time travel to next week to watch next week's episode.

I thought when Shinobu was 'lost' she was hiding in Araragi's shadow the whole time, but I guess she just came back and hid there afterwards?

[FlareKnight]

Damn....ok so saving Mayoi had some slight side effects .

I mean damn they just about killed everyone. I'm sure someone will pop up at some point and it'd be hilarious if it was Mayoi or something. But right now it's a pretty bleak time. So Shinobu destroyed the world and now everyone is wandering around as zombies.

Shouldn't the main goal right now be to find a way back in time rather than looking for survivors? Don't they still have the semi-risky plan of powering Shinbou up to the max and going back in time that way? Seems like letting Mayoi die as originally destined is kind of the only way to resolve this.

[shinyaNakagawa]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Shouldn't the main goal right now be to find a way back in time rather than looking for survivors? Don't they still have the semi-risky plan of powering Shinbou up to the max and going back in time that way? Seems like letting Mayoi die as originally destined is kind of the only way to resolve this.

Araragi previously mentioned that there are two possibilities, Type A and Type B.

Spoiler for you guess:

Apparently he seems to not knowing that there is a Type C possibility too.
Go figure.

[Dark Faith]

Excellent episode. Last week I thought that they meant that the world had been destroyed in a figurative sense... didn't really expect humanity as a whole to have been wiped out, or turned into mindless zombies.
Was even more surprised to learn that Shinobu's the perpetrator...out of what seemed like a pretty minor event.

Guess that's what makes this show so fun to watch. Really loved this episode.

[Haiprbim]

Splendid episode. I especially liked the pat-the-head and the Shinobu Extreme Jump parts. :P
Well, now we have to wait for the next episode, it would seem.

[shinyaNakagawa]

I don't know.
I just keep feeling that Kabuki anime adaptation is rushing too much to it's main plot.
Lots of stuff have been cut off.
To someone who enjoys every bit of moments carved in the novel, I just feel like something is not complete...

[Dark Faith]

Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

I don't know.
I just keep feeling that Kabuki anime adaptation is rushing too much to it's main plot.
Lots of stuff have been cut off.
To someone who enjoys every bit of moments carved in the novel, I just feel like something is not complete...

That goes without saying though. I've no idea how long the novel is, but with only 4 episodes to animate it, a lot of things will have to be put aside.
People who enjoyed this arc can always opt to purchase the novels themselves and read all the missing bits.

For a non-novel reader, the episodes themselves feel fine. Though I get the feeling (after reading replies such as yours, on numerous threads), that my opinion would shift towards "Those bastards! How could they cut THIS and THAT?!" after reading them

[shinyaNakagawa]

Originally Posted by Dark Faith

That goes without saying though. I've no idea how long the novel is, but with only 4 episodes to animate it, a lot of things will have to be put aside.
People who enjoyed this arc can always opt to purchase the novels themselves and read all the missing bits.

For a non-novel reader, the episodes themselves feel fine. Though I get the feeling (after reading replies such as yours, on numerous threads), that my opinion would shift towards "Those bastards! How could they cut THIS and THAT?!" after reading them

Spoiler for Comparison to the novel:

-Pronounces that they'll die together

Refer to the second point that omimon has pointed out regarding the skipped parts.
I don't really mind though if SHAFT wants to cut excessive filler conversations and scenes but to omit that very point when Araragi having conversation with Shinobu after witnessing and guessing the real reason of the catastrophe--is really unbearable to me. It is somewhat a really important line (to me at least).

[340.29]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Shouldn't the main goal right now be to find a way back in time rather than looking for survivors? Don't they still have the semi-risky plan of powering Shinbou up to the max and going back in time that way? Seems like letting Mayoi die as originally destined is kind of the only way to resolve this.

Yeah this really bugs me. For a show so predicated on details, I think they should at least exhaust this option or anything that resembles trying to fix the problem before accepting the situation and looking for survivors.

But other than that minor detail, really enjoyed this episode. Loved the animation when they were falling from the sky, and absolutely loved the fireworks scene. With the song they played, it just brought back some Bakemonogatari nostalgia.

[blakstealth]

Spoiler for Comparison to the novel:

Originally Posted by omimon

Also Araragi does a lot of lovey-dovey stuff with Shinobu in the parts that was skipped. (Reason why it is the top 2 novel)
-Purpose that they should kiss
-Pronounces that they'll die together
-Traveling across Japan and having a honeymoon like experience during the three days before they lit up the fireworks.

hnnnnggggggggggggg

Originally Posted by shinyaNakagawa

Refer to the second point that omimon has pointed out regarding the skipped parts.
I don't really mind though if SHAFT wants to cut excessive filler conversations and scenes but to omit that very point when Araragi having conversation with Shinobu after witnessing and guessing the real reason of the catastrophe--is really unbearable to me. It is somewhat a really important line (to me at least).

I kind of figured from the whole conversation that Araragi was planning on dying together with Shinobu, and I haven't read any of the novels. I don't think it has to be explicitly said to get the idea across.

[shinyaNakagawa]

Originally Posted by blakstealth

Spoiler for Comparison to the novel:

I kind of figured from the whole conversation that Araragi was planning on dying together with Shinobu, and I haven't read any of the novels. I don't think it has to be explicitly said to get the idea across.

Spoiler for Comparison to the novel:

The dialogue itself did not meant for Shinobu alone. Senjougahara, Hanekawa and Hachikuji were being mentioned too.