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Miraluka · 2012-10-13, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Nonsense! Kamijou should just marry Fukiyose and be done with it! She's the one that understands his fukouda the best!

BUT, Kumokawa even knows about his fukou da level: Dark Side

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Originally Posted by Master Assassin

What are the chances Kamachi will grant us this in NT6?

We didn't got fanservice on this volume so the next having it is a must

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Hey, hasn't he been wishing for something like that from like almost over a dozen volumes ago ? He should already take a break for a bit and not care about people screwing things up, so far he has been caring too much about people who wreak havoc that he doesn't give himself a chance for girls to come and get him.

NT Vol.2 at the epilogue

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Flere821 · 2012-10-13, 23:11

Ch1 so far is WIN. Fukiyose and Baka Trio is hilarious

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-10-13, 23:13

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Originally Posted by Master Assassin

Hey, hasn't he been wishing for something like that from like almost over a dozen volumes ago

? He should already take a break for a bit and not care about people screwing things up, so far he has been caring too much about people who wreak havoc that he doesn't give himself a chance for girls to come and get him.

Volume 12, Old Testament.

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Kamijou Touma laid his elbow on the windowsill and, while basking in the receding heat of the early autumn wind, slowly murmured,

"Haaaah... I want an encounter..."

The instant he said that, his temples were hit from both sides by fists, crushing his head in a vice-like grip.

"Idiot!" a loud voice screamed.

Standing to his right was Tsuchimikado Motoharu, and to his left was Aogami Pierce.

They were Kamijou Touma's classmates.

"Bah, what the hell are you doing...!?" Kamijou yelled as he swung his head around like a bell being rung.

Tsuchimikado's pupils twinkled behind his sunglasses.

"...Nyaa. We only hear sarcasm from what Kami-yan's saying!"

"Whenever you invoke those words, a weird girl appears tumbling along from some classroom door. Ahh, yes, it always happens to you! If it's Kami-yan, then it seems like it could be anything from a super robot girl to an onee-san-like fairy of the spring!!"

As always, he did not comprehend what they were saying, but there was no ill intent for now.

shmaster · 2012-10-13, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Also....if Othinius is using the Holistic Esper to provide the power for the MAGIC ritual for Gungnir...

Does this mean Holistic Esper would actually be a union of Magic and Science?

Holistic Esper is to prepare the conditions that Gungir can be forged.
Not necessarily providing the magic directly.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-13, 23:29

Well that condition would still at the very least, have to be enough magic to forge Gungnir...Even if it involves screwing with the laws of the world at large to allow that then wouldn't that mean everything is subset of Holism theory?

shmaster · 2012-10-14, 00:20

Again not necessarily.
Let's make a hypothetical scenario here.

Say, to forge Gungir you need 100 mana, and human can generate up to 70.
To correct this, have a Holism Esper reduce the threshold of the entire universe as a whole, and make the rmana requirement to 70 too.

In doing this, Holism Esper successfully fulfilled the requirement without doing anything that is directly magical.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 00:26

I see....

I wonder why Othinius doesn't try to make herself a Holistic Esper too...Majin, god and now Holistic Esper....

Or perhaps that's what she intends for Fraulein Kroitne....

Perhaps with Gungnir at full power she's far stronger than any Holistic Esper...

shmaster · 2012-10-14, 00:30

Because being the god of magic is still magic.
Knowing this, Othnius did not dare to try to practice ESP.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 02:56

BTW...would you rate Othinius above or below Fiamma and Aiwass?

shmaster · 2012-10-14, 03:06

Assuming Othinus has the Gungir and Fiamma has a completed Holy Right. It'll be a tie, their powers perfectly cancels on another out. You can't out cheat one another when you have equally effective cheat code.

Aiwass, well it really depends on thick is the rule that nothing before the Horus Aeon can possibly hurt it.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 03:30

Completed Holy Right...properly refined with correct format is Horusian no? Yet completed Holy Right, albeit with oudated format could not overpower the thing inside Touma...

Could Othinius be gunning for Aeonic shift too....Gungnir is very definitely Osirian

shmaster · 2012-10-14, 03:58

Fiamma can't be helped. That is as far as he can go without the full understanding of his own power.

From the nature of Norse mytho, Othinus would belong to Isis Aeon.
But her methodology is way ahead of that. Hard to tell which Aeon's ideology she truly follows.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 05:01

Isis? I thought it was Osirian with Odin being god of the dead as lord of the Einherjar and his symbolical rebirth after gaining wisdom?

Othinius own method border on Horusian though...It's certainly more advanced than anything except maybe Aleister's own projects. That's why she could theoretically be gunning for Aeonic shift....but then, what would be her Right Hand? IB is an obstacle to her anyway...

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-10-14, 05:15

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

....but then, what would be her Right Hand? IB is an obstacle to her anyway...

New Testament 4:

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“Who knows. They may just have wanted to hurry up the next generation. After all, Kamijou Touma’s disposition is difficult for GREMLIN to use. It would be faster if they transferred it to something else. Of course, that’s only if their objective is Imagine Breaker.”

“Theoretically, it may indeed be faster to use Imagine Breaker with her nature as a Magic God being too strong and getting in the way.”

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 07:44

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

New Testament 4:

No....Ollerus says in NT 5 that IB itself is incompatible with Othinius' ideas.

As the counter to the horror of the Majin, it fixes the distortions to the world wrought by the Majin. It counters the Majin's world where powers and distortions run dangerously rampant.

"Faster to use Imagine Breaker?"

No....IB is utter anathema to Othinius. If she wants an Aeonic shift, she has to use something else as a blueprint, be it Gungnir, Holism or another Right power.

The law of IB....Is completely at odds with the law of the Majin.

Remember...Fiamma himself did not want the IB....he just wanted the right arm of Touma to house the Holy Right. It was his own law all the while that he was planning to impose on the world, not IB's

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-10-14, 07:52

But yet that's what he said just one volume ago, I've literally copied and pasted the text.

The way I see it, what Othnius might want with Imagine Breaker is to limit the nature of her Magic God's 50:50 in her favor, at least that's what it sounds like from what Ollerus/Fiamma was talking about.

And last I've checked, the law of IB is also at odds with Crowley's AIM world so clearly there's more to it...

Then Again, it sounds like it's a 'what if' speculations, but if she needs a Special Right Hand...

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 08:05

IB is not the Right Hand....Right Hand = basis of the Aeonic Shift

That's what I meant...what blueprint would Othinius use for her law if she were to attempt Aeonic shift.

IB is just one of the possible basis...the other so far being Holy Right.

Touma did consider the limiting of the 50:50 thing and in response Ollerus told him to worry not followed by the above. Because Touma was worried that someone wants his hand again...

It's not that Othinius may have some use for IB....Rather it's against everything she stands for and would rather utterly crush it as soon as possible.

As for Aleister....well....he's even more inscrutable than Othinius. I doubt even Ollerus knows what he plans....There's good reason why he's the last boss after all...

whitecloud · 2012-10-14, 08:06

imagine breaker is a huge reset button, returning things to the way it is before change, basicaly the "factory default state"....

but what othinus want most likely to perform "aeonic shift" from current osirian to horusian, if we could put into analogy is OS upgrade to a new version, even though a tweaked one where she will be a being equal to god in the new aeon

unfortunately before that could be done, she must take care of imagine breaker because if not, the IB could destroy her plan before or during the "upgrade" took place...

i believe aleister is wary of imagine breaker would ruin his plan, even though why he does not eliminate touma most likely because he need the thing that IB seal...and to watch imagine breaker user easily it easier to keep it close...

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-10-14, 08:13

Perhaps so...Aleister marked Fiamma for elimination because he saw the thing inside Touma.

Possible that, rather than the IB, is what he's going to use as his basis.

zaeraal · 2012-10-14, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Perhaps so...Aleister marked Fiamma for elimination because he saw the thing inside Touma.

Possible that, rather than the IB, is what he's going to use as his basis.

This reminds me a bit of Shakugan no Shana and the "Reiji Maigo" inside Yuji that replenishes his power every midnight.
And the same like that tool was used as an infinite energy supply, maybe Aleister plan to use that thing inside Touma as an energy supply too.

Something along the lines : If there isn't enough energy in the world even for Gungnir, where will Aleister take all the energy necessary for his plan?

2012-10-13, 23:29	Link #20285
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Well that condition would still at the very least, have to be enough magic to forge Gungnir...Even if it involves screwing with the laws of the world at large to allow that then wouldn't that mean everything is subset of Holism theory? __________________

2012-10-14, 00:26	Link #20287
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	I see.... I wonder why Othinius doesn't try to make herself a Holistic Esper too...Majin, god and now Holistic Esper.... Or perhaps that's what she intends for Fraulein Kroitne.... Perhaps with Gungnir at full power she's far stronger than any Holistic Esper... __________________

2012-10-14, 02:56	Link #20289
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	BTW...would you rate Othinius above or below Fiamma and Aiwass? __________________

2012-10-14, 03:30	Link #20291
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Completed Holy Right...properly refined with correct format is Horusian no? Yet completed Holy Right, albeit with oudated format could not overpower the thing inside Touma... Could Othinius be gunning for Aeonic shift too....Gungnir is very definitely Osirian __________________

2012-10-14, 05:01	Link #20293
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Isis? I thought it was Osirian with Odin being god of the dead as lord of the Einherjar and his symbolical rebirth after gaining wisdom? Othinius own method border on Horusian though...It's certainly more advanced than anything except maybe Aleister's own projects. That's why she could theoretically be gunning for Aeonic shift....but then, what would be her Right Hand? IB is an obstacle to her anyway... __________________

2012-10-13, 23:11	Link #20282
Flere821 Lurker Join Date: Aug 2010	Ch1 so far is WIN. Fukiyose and Baka Trio is hilarious

2012-10-14, 00:20	Link #20286
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Again not necessarily. Let's make a hypothetical scenario here. Say, to forge Gungir you need 100 mana, and human can generate up to 70. To correct this, have a Holism Esper reduce the threshold of the entire universe as a whole, and make the rmana requirement to 70 too. In doing this, Holism Esper successfully fulfilled the requirement without doing anything that is directly magical.

2012-10-14, 00:30	Link #20288
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Because being the god of magic is still magic. Knowing this, Othnius did not dare to try to practice ESP.

2012-10-14, 03:06	Link #20290
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Assuming Othinus has the Gungir and Fiamma has a completed Holy Right. It'll be a tie, their powers perfectly cancels on another out. You can't out cheat one another when you have equally effective cheat code. Aiwass, well it really depends on thick is the rule that nothing before the Horus Aeon can possibly hurt it.

2012-10-14, 03:58	Link #20292
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Fiamma can't be helped. That is as far as he can go without the full understanding of his own power. From the nature of Norse mytho, Othinus would belong to Isis Aeon. But her methodology is way ahead of that. Hard to tell which Aeon's ideology she truly follows.

2012-10-14, 07:52	Link #20296
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	But yet that's what he said just one volume ago, I've literally copied and pasted the text. The way I see it, what Othnius might want with Imagine Breaker is to limit the nature of her Magic God's 50:50 in her favor, at least that's what it sounds like from what Ollerus/Fiamma was talking about. And last I've checked, the law of IB is also at odds with Crowley's AIM world so clearly there's more to it... Then Again, it sounds like it's a 'what if' speculations, but if she needs a Special Right Hand... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2012-10-14, 08:05	Link #20297
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	IB is not the Right Hand....Right Hand = basis of the Aeonic Shift That's what I meant...what blueprint would Othinius use for her law if she were to attempt Aeonic shift. IB is just one of the possible basis...the other so far being Holy Right. Touma did consider the limiting of the 50:50 thing and in response Ollerus told him to worry not followed by the above. Because Touma was worried that someone wants his hand again... It's not that Othinius may have some use for IB....Rather it's against everything she stands for and would rather utterly crush it as soon as possible. As for Aleister....well....he's even more inscrutable than Othinius. I doubt even Ollerus knows what he plans....There's good reason why he's the last boss after all... __________________

2012-10-14, 08:06	Link #20298
whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	imagine breaker is a huge reset button, returning things to the way it is before change, basicaly the "factory default state".... but what othinus want most likely to perform "aeonic shift" from current osirian to horusian, if we could put into analogy is OS upgrade to a new version, even though a tweaked one where she will be a being equal to god in the new aeon unfortunately before that could be done, she must take care of imagine breaker because if not, the IB could destroy her plan before or during the "upgrade" took place... i believe aleister is wary of imagine breaker would ruin his plan, even though why he does not eliminate touma most likely because he need the thing that IB seal...and to watch imagine breaker user easily it easier to keep it close...

2012-10-14, 08:13	Link #20299
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Perhaps so...Aleister marked Fiamma for elimination because he saw the thing inside Touma. Possible that, rather than the IB, is what he's going to use as his basis. __________________