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On the Russians, we still do get help from the Russians. AFAIK a large portion of our arms are still purchased from the Russians, not to mention there is the $30 billion dollar Russia India oil pipeline project, which is set to be finalized in the next few months. When you look at the official Indian statements made about Crimea for example, it's clear that Russia is still a big ally. |
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2014-05-12, 04:32 | Link #33762 |
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We're trying to become less and less dependence on China, that is for sure. If you guys just know all the talks about expanding the markets: China only interests in buying raw material, not opening new factories or purchasing goods from us. And their cheap commodities overfloodings Vietnam. That is a bad, one-side relationship.
(Should I mentions that Chinese merchants have this abnormal tendency: Every three or four months, a wave of them spread a hoax of their need of something weird - like buffallo's nails, or a type of rice-eating snail. And they first buys it, with a high price. But when too many farmers try to cut of their buffallo's nails - therefore, killing the animal, they stop buying. The result: We lost a lot without knowing we were tricked.) |
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2014-05-14, 09:54 | Link #33764 | |
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Tests for two 'potential' US Mers cases
Has the 'Oh Shit' moment been reached yet? US hopeful Thai military will not stage another coup Part of me wonders if some military officer sent some feelers to the US on their support for another coup and this is the response. An interesting part: Quote:
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2014-05-14, 20:09 | Link #33765 | |
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China expanding presence on disputed reef near Philippines: sources
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2014-05-15, 06:13 | Link #33766 |
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More than 20 dead, doctor says, as anti-China riots spread in Vietnam
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A4E03Y20140515 German growth puts stagnant France and Italy in shade http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A4E06H20140515
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2014-05-15, 08:21 | Link #33768 | |
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I find these bootstomp noises all the more unsettling as I'm seeing coincidences like this and you have the NSA seen as a greater danger to humanity than information stealing botnets and relentless spammers, all the while reading about the capabilities of the DF-21 ballistic missile and the J-20 fighter.
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2014-05-15, 08:49 | Link #33769 | |
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2014-05-15, 09:26 | Link #33770 | |
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One dead, 100 hurt as anti-China riots spread in Vietnam But yeah, some China Chinese got hurt and killed. |
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2014-05-15, 10:00 | Link #33772 |
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As a Vietnamese, I'm rather ashamed of the actions some of the people right now.
I mean, god fucking damn it, what's the fucking point of attacking those factories? Not only does it deprives OUR people of works, it also make Vietnam the bad guy in all this. FUck if they want violence so bad why don't they join the army instead of all those bull shit? |
2014-05-15, 10:13 | Link #33773 |
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How do Vietnamese see the Chinese in general? Judging from Lhklan's comments, it seems that it's not the Chinese stealing factory jobs from Vietnamese workers, so I guess it's Chinese funds plus local workers combination for those factories right?
Did any hostile feelings exist prior to this latest marine incident? I know China and Vietnam fought a war, but that's almost 35 years ago. And yeah, I also rolled my eyes when I heard Taiwanese factories were damaged rather than Chinese. Guess the rioters are paying the Chinese government the ultimate compliment by admitting Taiwan is part of China lol. |
2014-05-15, 10:22 | Link #33774 | |
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As for views: - There some of us who just don't care about it, since the doing all the BS is the Chinese goverment. - There are those who are slightly irritated, but never the less keep being polite and good people. - And then there those fucking idiot. Part of me is sure that the patriotism is only a part of what they're doing, but the fact that they get to steal/rob those factories blind. Also, it's not just Taiwan and Hong Kong companies that get hit. There are also some Thailand, Japanese and Singapore factories that were involved. As for hostile feelings: Well there are lingerings hostility yes, but it's not because of the war but because of the fact that China's been harassing us for the last few years. |
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2014-05-15, 12:37 | Link #33775 |
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If anything, it's badly misdirected anger; the rioting is too reminiscent of the Rodney King vs. LAPD beating incident in Los Angeles years ago -- outrage among some of the city's blacks prompted immediate chaos, the rioters blindly targeting mostly Korean stores and businesses instead.
Here, I fear that the continuing activities in both Paracels and Spratlys will further exacerbate not just tensions but also fuel racial prejudice, where the prevailing populist view here is that the Chinese are a greater threat in all aspects (especially that some of the wealthiest citizens are ethnic Chinese) and there's continuing clamor for military modernization, as leftists are now seen as collaborators.
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2014-05-15, 15:02 | Link #33776 | |
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2014-05-16, 09:26 | Link #33777 | ||
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For anyone who was following this, the Indian general elections have just come to a close with the BJP (Bharatiya Janta Party ----> Indian People's Party) winning with a landslide victory.
For the first time since India gained independence, a party other than the INC (Indian National Congress), has got an absolute majority, The BJP itself has gotten a party record 283/543 seats, with their coalition, the NDA (National Democratic Alliance), getting a total of 335 seats. The congress, on the other hand, got less than 50 seats (a record low) as opposed to the 206 they got in 2009, casting doubt over whether they will be able to form the opposition (which requires 10% of the total seats). The prime ministerial candidate, and new PM Narendra Modi, is one of the most polarizing political in figures in India; His supporters point towards the remarkable economic growth in his home state of Gujarat (where he was CM), while his detractors point towards his inaction and possible involvement in the 2002 Gujarat Riots, where over a 1000 people were killed, most of them being muslims. Quote:
I was wondering what people from outside of India think about this (as you might imagine, with a two party system, opinions are heavily polarized within the country, and all the western media I've read (the guardian, NYT, Washington Post, as some examples, I haven't read the economists piece on it, or any of the articles that have come out in the last couple of weeks), harp on about the 2002 riots by painting Modi as a villain, while completely ignoring the facts; including the fact that he has been cleared by the Supreme Court of India of involvement in the fiasco, and that in the 10 following years, there have been no riots in Gujarat, which is also a record). On the one hand, the congress has put the country in the shitter over the last 8 years, with growth plummeting, corruption rampant, and a worryingly high fiscal deficit rising due to (in my opinion) populist and ultimately unsustainable social welfare schemes (See: NREGA and Food Security Bill). On the other hand, the BJP is notorious for it's hindu fundamentalist stance, which many expect to be pushed even further. This is a reasonable assumption considering Modi was a prominent member and follower of the RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh), with senior members like Subhramaniam Swamy making claims like " If an Indian doesn't recognize and accept the fact that, even if they are not, their ancestors come from a Hindu heritage, they should not be granted citizenship " (Or something along those lines), coupled with the worrying inaction of the Modi government in the 2002 riots, and his subsequent apathy for those involved). My opinion was that the landslide victory was mostly fueled by anti-incumbency sentiments, the Congress simply had to go after all the scandals and poor performance. India is full of (what I like to refer to as) 'armchair socialists' , who come from rich backgrounds, live in luxury, and harp on about the importance of peoples rights. As a now certified economist, I can't agree with populist welfare schemes and the idea that 'Oh you only care about economic growth, not the welfare of the people'. Unfortunately, the majority of Indian english press at least, is run by such people (again, this is just my opinion), and the polls show that the majority of people don't agree. However, an anti-incumbency wave is not a good basis to vote a party into power, and given the rampant conservative nature of the BJP in some states (I'm from Karnataka, where a BJP govt. was recently voted out of power), having a BJP government in the center is worrying for many reasons. I suppose only time will tell... As far as International reactions are concerned, perhaps the most important one is that of China's: Quote:
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2014-05-16, 14:12 | Link #33778 | |
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The worst thing that can happen is when a country lets such people be elected to power because all they have is ideology but no practicality. Meanwhile, the most performing countries on the economics front are usually standing towards the center, never leaning too far towards the right nor the left. We'll see how this unfolds for India, but I would not put too many hopes there. Speaking of the two-party system, I know this is not very good considering what we have seen how far it goes in the US. However, I cannot tell how to solve that; so many countries with a fully functional electoral system have a long-standing rivalry between 2 parties having legitimate chances of winning elections. Perhaps it reflects part of human nature on moving towards a pole or the other. |
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2014-05-16, 14:21 | Link #33779 | |
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I think it's even worse for a country like India. Despite the great economic growth the governments always spout, we're a poor, uneducated, and backward country for the most part. We simply don't have the resources to entertain anything other than the practical. Take the NREGA (National Rural Employment Guarantee Act), where the government guaranteed a minimum wage and working hours to all those in rural India. What happened was, with the lack of accountability, there were huge amounts of funds illegally diverted, with a large amount of people who were entitled to work not getting paid. The other thing was, despite the government claiming 'millions of jobs' were created, in reality all it resulted in was sub-standard work on public infrastructure, that would have to be done again. Those who did work, were not prepared or trained to do the labor they were assigned, coupled with the fact that a large amount of them not getting paid, it was a disaster. Even if the families did receive money, if their kids can't get educated, companies can't set up factories due to poor infrastructure, and farmers can't expand due to the lack of government provided irrigation, nothing will actually change. (as it happens, many farmers sunk huge amounts into getting wells dug up, and getting diesel powered pumps. When droughts hit, and they weren't able to pay their loans, several committed suicide to protect the well-being of their families, a phenomenon which still happens today), social welfare schemes like that are just wooden crutches that will break sooner or later, without adequate infrastructural development as a supplement. However, Gujarat, Modi's state as CM, has seen great leaps forward in infrastructural development, and though the benefits have not yet been seen in all sections of society, I believe they will soon, and that is the basis of moving forward as a country. If only he and his party could set aside their distaste for the 150 million muslims in the country Last edited by oompa loompa; 2014-05-16 at 15:05. |
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