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2011-06-24, 11:07 | Link #263 | |
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Apparently there is no proof that Yuma's witch form=WN, because of the gears. It will take a long time to explain that part zzz |
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2011-06-24, 11:15 | Link #264 | |
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2011-06-24, 11:35 | Link #265 | ||
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As to WN... I really don't know. The gears are described in the profile as "symbol of eternity" or something, but we don't know if the witch herself actually existed for a long time (it's a known fact that several magical girls have to fight her together - meaning these attempts were successful?). We also have little info on the actual logic of witch design (Octavia is more or less hinting, but good luck deciphering Madoka and Kirika's witch forms), so for all we know, gears might pop up from a thousand of reasons. The same with "stage" quirks and all. The only hook we got in PMOM was that WN's nature of helplessness matched Yuma's mindset just dandy (plus her witch form might have a recovery ability even better than Sayaka's - yeah, I'm thinking ep 11 here). But that's just speculah. It's unknown whether Magica Quartet are even GOING to let us know about WN's origins. But if we hope to derive it from the existing spin-offs, then there's still Kazumi & Co. They have about as many chances to be related as Yuma. By the way... Oriko makes the last shot with her soul gem broken? I thought it was a quicker death... Apparently not.
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2011-06-24, 14:30 | Link #266 | |
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If you look at this page closely, there's one panel that shows what seems to be a chunk of Kirika's form stuck on the roof of the barrier and shard breaking apart from it.
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2011-06-24, 15:53 | Link #267 |
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I get the chunk part (although it's interesting how the witch didn't disappear completely at once). What I'm talking about is that I expected Oriko to die instantly as her soul gem was shot. After all, both Mami and Kyouko in TL3 give an impression of that. Oriko, however, retains her consciousness and magic for some seconds. Apparently souls don't leave the "jar" immediately.
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2011-06-24, 16:47 | Link #268 |
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Ah yea that's true. Maybe Homura didn't completely destroy Oriko's soul gem like how Kirika's soul gem was partially cracked. And when Oriko used all her magic in that one shot, she finally died. Or maybe she had a moment of plot armor.
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2011-06-24, 21:41 | Link #269 | |
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2011-06-25, 06:49 | Link #272 |
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Actually, it looks like I ended on the wrong side of the debate. My statement was meant to show that the girls' magic lingers for a bit even after the soul gem is shattered. However, I do support the view that the girls are pretty much dead the moment the gem shatters.
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2011-06-28, 05:37 | Link #277 |
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By the way, speculahs have it that Oriko simply becomes a witch in other timelines.
and as you might guess, that's also a fertile ground for Walpurgis-themed epileptic trees to grow. As much as I'm cautios about them... we've never seen WN's arrival in the Oriko timeline.
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2011-06-28, 05:51 | Link #278 | |
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2011-06-28, 10:23 | Link #279 |
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Her, too. Although Elsa Maria was mentioned as well. But hey, it doesn't even have to be a known witch - I'm pretty sure Mitakihara houses a greater number than all we were shown so far.
Now, concerning WN=Oriko speculah... Hmmm... Gears as relation to time and fate: check Helplessness: check? Theatrical quirks: er, wait, I give up here. Also Oriko saw WN in her first vision and said it was her fate. She must have also learnt about the system right then, since instead of shouting "Kyuubey-san, there's a terrible witch due to be born! You gotta do something!" she directly starts tricking him, and keeping him away from the girl destined to become Gretchen (speaking of Kyuubey, this is also the first time we see him openly planning the demise of a magical girl who messed up with his job ). But whatever witch Oriko was bound to turn into (and you don't need to be a prophet to calculate the odds), it brings a whole load of bitter irony: the poor girl made a cotract to know her fate, but it was actually the contract itself that defined it. Who knows, maybe if she didn't gain an urgent goal of preventing Gretchen's birth, might she have just committed a suicide to change her own fate the quickest way possible? Kyubey sure has a reason for not telling the truth outright even to those already in his grip. |
2011-06-28, 10:59 | Link #280 |
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Oriko Magica took place in one of Homura's time lines. Homura knew and learn to avoid mistakes after each repeat so I guess she just took care of Oriko, Kirika, etc etc and whatever obstacles she found dangerous to Madoka beforehand. That's why there's no Oriko in Madoka Magica verse.
About Yuma it's also explainable. What if Homura accidentally hunted the witch-that-kill-Yuma's-parents before they commit that murder? Then Yuma wouldn't meet Kyouko. Especially if you've watched Steins;Gate you'll know every little action can alter the time line drastically. Homura could have just silently assassinated Oriko & Co., this affect the number of magical girl population in the city since less of them will be murdered, one of these girl could kill the witch-that-kill-Yuma's-parents in turn and again Kyouko won't meet Yuma. What I used to not understand is why Kyouko is present in the city and apparently can talk normally with Mami, as the impression I got from the anime is that each city has 1 girl dominated the hunting ground and Kyouko only dare to come to Mitakihara only after Mami kicked the bucket. But now with Oriko Magica and Drama CD 2 came out it seemed the city have multiple MGs, each have their own "part of the town". Depending on Homura's action, Mami and Kyouko might potentially met and talk normally (Oriko), being friends (Sunny Day Life) or never talk (Madoka), or being wary of each other before finally teaming up (Madoka - TL3). The only question left: Why does it appear only Mami and Madoka and later on Homura fought WP? Where are all other MGs? Spoiler for speculah:
^ this only explain later timelines though, can't understand TL1. Last edited by rantuyetmai; 2011-06-28 at 17:22. |
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