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StratoSpear · 2012-04-24, 08:30

Would using a greatly concentrated energy barrier(to the point of solid/semi-solid state) as a battering ram dish out an effect similar to that of a physically solid one?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 08:33

@ Eras
Well, maybe there will be minor hype, almost everyone (except the harem

) knew how lethal I.S. are

I'm definitely surprised How Madoka managed to shoot the soldiers non-lethally... in spite of the weapon is heavy caliber and pack kinetic energy that probably could pierce inches of steel (insta gib ahoy). Damn it Izuru!

@ Stratos
The energy barrier is stronger than the physical one, they just cost energy.

@ Demi
Well, I don't know, up to you

StratoSpear · 2012-04-24, 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

@ Stratos
The energy barrier is stronger than the physical one, they just cost energy.

So ramming attacks(ala Boost Charges in ACV) is possible, only with more energy consumption. Cool!

That is if the unit in question can manipulate its barrier concentration.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 08:42

Nope, in this case the unit with higher defense rating (shield efficiency) has advantage. Barrier manipulation is optional.

Physical shield however has advantage of pure kinetic energy, because it has considerable mass. This is the principle of why Pilebunker/Parrying blade > laser blade in AC

Eratas123 · 2012-04-24, 08:47

Can IS see through walls?

StratoSpear · 2012-04-24, 08:49

To my understanding, physical shields has a higher chance of inflicting damage upon ramming due to its mass.

Energy barriers, on the other hand, can have its impact force attenuated by another barrier of considerable strength.

What I'm aiming for now is a way to ram an opponent while:
- Inflicting minimal/no damage to the enemy.
- Not damaging the user's unit in the process.
- Not degrading the barrier's strength after a successful hit.(Which is the case for physical shields)

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 08:50

That would be cool, but I don't think they can.

@ Stratos
Simply put, adjust the barrier strength similar to enemy. Zero result/nullification.... but then BOTH unit have their SP reduced continuously

Eratas123 · 2012-04-24, 08:55

To get this straight: If you want to fight an IS, just ditch any handheld weapons since they're useless anyway?

StratoSpear · 2012-04-24, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

@ Stratos
Simply put, adjust the barrier strength similar to enemy. Zero result/nullification.... but then BOTH unit have their SP reduced continuously

Pretty much, yeah.

Currently working on the duel scene btw :3

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 08:58

@ Eras
Well, I don't know how to answer. But why would you want to fight an I.S. head on in spite of their abilities? Best way to fight it is trap it somehow and then use a lot of incendiary material to turn a lot of air into plasma... and hope it works somehow.

Eratas123 · 2012-04-24, 09:03

Approximately how long does it take to summon the IS?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 09:08

Chifuyu claim can be as fast as 0.7 second. Considering the time required to summon equalizer though, I think that's a bull. Probably 2-3 second.

Eratas123 · 2012-04-24, 09:12

In a world where IS are mass produced, would normal soldiers still be needed?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 09:16

Yes.

I.S. would be a part of mechanized force. in a world where I.S. can be mass produced we also have a faster, tougher tank that can dish out more firepower than I.S., we will also have a jet fighter that could give any I.S. a run for their money in terms of mobility, we have powerful ship that is protected by powerful energy barrier and launch a missile that could flatten a small island.

But no matter how advanced technology progress, Infantry will exist. Probably equipped with simplified, miniaturized I.S. in place of body armor and BDU.

Eratas123 · 2012-04-24, 09:18

How would a world under someone like Tabane or PT be?

demino_hellsin · 2012-04-24, 09:34

What do you guys think IS needs to give it an extra push and seem like a fresh feel series instead of the same old same old harem fare?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 09:47

Adding character development and banishing the status quo.

Focusing in more important aspect (Ichika's origin, Charl's imminent future, Houki-Tabaen relationship, PT-related conflict etc) and less harem antic.

Eratas123 · 2012-04-24, 09:47

It's honestly hard to be original nowadays.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-04-24, 09:52

No need to be original, just need to be acceptably fresh AND fun.

As demi said, it's like I.S. are mocking/deconstructing harem character archetype, usually likable, or at least acceptable, into something totally annoying. From a point this is kinda new, but definitely not fun.

StratoSpear · 2012-04-24, 09:52

More "What's gonna happen next!?", Less "Oh god, pick someone already!"

2012-04-24, 08:30	Link #29901
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Would using a greatly concentrated energy barrier(to the point of solid/semi-solid state) as a battering ram dish out an effect similar to that of a physically solid one? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-04-24, 08:33	Link #29902
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Eras Well, maybe there will be minor hype, almost everyone (except the harem ) knew how lethal I.S. are I'm definitely surprised How Madoka managed to shoot the soldiers non-lethally... in spite of the weapon is heavy caliber and pack kinetic energy that probably could pierce inches of steel (insta gib ahoy). Damn it Izuru! @ Stratos The energy barrier is stronger than the physical one, they just cost energy. @ Demi Well, I don't know, up to you __________________

2012-04-24, 08:42	Link #29904
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Nope, in this case the unit with higher defense rating (shield efficiency) has advantage. Barrier manipulation is optional. Physical shield however has advantage of pure kinetic energy, because it has considerable mass. This is the principle of why Pilebunker/Parrying blade > laser blade in AC __________________

2012-04-24, 08:47	Link #29905
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Can IS see through walls? __________________

2012-04-24, 08:49	Link #29906
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	To my understanding, physical shields has a higher chance of inflicting damage upon ramming due to its mass. Energy barriers, on the other hand, can have its impact force attenuated by another barrier of considerable strength. What I'm aiming for now is a way to ram an opponent while: - Inflicting minimal/no damage to the enemy. - Not damaging the user's unit in the process. - Not degrading the barrier's strength after a successful hit.(Which is the case for physical shields) __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-04-24, 08:50	Link #29907
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	That would be cool, but I don't think they can. @ Stratos Simply put, adjust the barrier strength similar to enemy. Zero result/nullification.... but then BOTH unit have their SP reduced continuously __________________

2012-04-24, 08:55	Link #29908
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	To get this straight: If you want to fight an IS, just ditch any handheld weapons since they're useless anyway? __________________

2012-04-24, 08:58	Link #29910
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Eras Well, I don't know how to answer. But why would you want to fight an I.S. head on in spite of their abilities? Best way to fight it is trap it somehow and then use a lot of incendiary material to turn a lot of air into plasma... and hope it works somehow. __________________

2012-04-24, 09:03	Link #29911
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Approximately how long does it take to summon the IS? __________________

2012-04-24, 09:08	Link #29912
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Chifuyu claim can be as fast as 0.7 second. Considering the time required to summon equalizer though, I think that's a bull. Probably 2-3 second. __________________

2012-04-24, 09:12	Link #29913
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	In a world where IS are mass produced, would normal soldiers still be needed? __________________

2012-04-24, 09:16	Link #29914
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Yes. I.S. would be a part of mechanized force. in a world where I.S. can be mass produced we also have a faster, tougher tank that can dish out more firepower than I.S., we will also have a jet fighter that could give any I.S. a run for their money in terms of mobility, we have powerful ship that is protected by powerful energy barrier and launch a missile that could flatten a small island. But no matter how advanced technology progress, Infantry will exist. Probably equipped with simplified, miniaturized I.S. in place of body armor and BDU. __________________

2012-04-24, 09:18	Link #29915
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	How would a world under someone like Tabane or PT be? __________________

2012-04-24, 09:34	Link #29916
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	What do you guys think IS needs to give it an extra push and seem like a fresh feel series instead of the same old same old harem fare?

2012-04-24, 09:47	Link #29917
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Adding character development and banishing the status quo. Focusing in more important aspect (Ichika's origin, Charl's imminent future, Houki-Tabaen relationship, PT-related conflict etc) and less harem antic. __________________

2012-04-24, 09:47	Link #29918
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	It's honestly hard to be original nowadays. __________________

2012-04-24, 09:52	Link #29919
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	No need to be original, just need to be acceptably fresh AND fun. As demi said, it's like I.S. are mocking/deconstructing harem character archetype, usually likable, or at least acceptable, into something totally annoying. From a point this is kinda new, but definitely not fun. __________________

2012-04-24, 09:52	Link #29920
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	More "What's gonna happen next!?", Less "Oh god, pick someone already!" __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."