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toblivericuknow · 2006-11-26, 14:52

Hmm, okay. I'll take the chance ^___^ Since I do like "laughs in the beginning and sad stories in the end with a mixture of fantasy within". Thanks ^_^

DanielSong39 · 2006-11-26, 23:28

Good luck; make sure to check out the 2002 anime and the manga as well for the full Kanon experience. All based on the same story - yet drasticly different in their approach.

The plot elements hold their own for the most part... your impression of the characters will likely make or break the series. If the characters are good enough, the far-out scenarios won't bother you.

Ascaloth · 2006-11-26, 23:36

Neither Toei Kanon nor the manga Kanon is actually canon though (sorry for the bad pun). They're what you might call re-envisionings; based on the original, yet omitting quite a bit of detail.

Do go ahead and try them. If you want the actual full story though, there's nowhere to go but the game itself. However, if you're like me and can't read Japanese for nuts, sticking with KyoAni's Kanon for now will get you as close to the original as currently possible.

Your call as to which to go for first.

EDIT: Oh yes, be warned if you do actually decided to go for Toei 2k2 Kanon or the manga first, you'll be spoiling yourself pretty bad....I learned this the hard way.

HazardNights · 2006-11-27, 11:58

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Will try to look up some of those series. I stared watching Shuffle when it first came out but stopped due to time so never really found out how that whole situation ended up. Same for Da Capo, only saw the first two episodes before dropping it due to time. Will try to check out those two among the others as well.

I will be looking at the 2002 version of Kanon though. Perhaps I'll like that version better.

panzerfan · 2006-11-28, 23:02

O... somebody spoofed Kanon OP good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et_onRho2vk"Kannon"

Vexx · 2006-11-29, 13:22

I just finished the Kanon manga that was spun off the (game?movie?thinair?). Though it had parts that were cute and a couple of tragic moments --- I have to say anyone reading it first before playing the game or seeing the anime would be seriously misled about the story. Much of it was just cutely drawn comedy bits but it truncated many storylines and it was --- (massive manga spoilers, avoid if you haven't read it)

Spoiler:

Generally, at least so far I'd have to arrange most enjoyed to least enjoyed as:
Original Game --> Kanon 2006 --> Kanon2002 --> Kanon manga.
As always, Your Mileage May Vary.

MakubeX2 · 2006-12-06, 16:25

http://smallassassin.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-641.html

DanielSong39 · 2006-12-07, 22:20

Well, it's official; KyoAni is going the modular route.

1-6: Introduction
7-10: Makoto
11-14: Mai
(15-18: Shiori)
(19-24: Ayu/Nayuki)

At least that's my prediction - let's see how close they are.

houkoholic · 2006-12-07, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Well, it's official; KyoAni is going the modular route.

1-6: Introduction
7-10: Makoto
11-14: Mai
(15-18: Shiori)
(19-24: Ayu/Nayuki)

At least that's my prediction - let's see how close they are.

The fact that preview for episode 11 showed Ayu cooking with Akiko says they're not going with modular.

DanielSong39 · 2006-12-07, 23:32

I'm actually rooting for the modular route; let's see if they will flesh out Mai's story in full.

Quite possibly the most versatile among the paths. If Key had chosen to designate her as the main "lead", I don't think we would have had many complaints.

houkoholic · 2006-12-07, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

I'm actually rooting for the modular route; let's see if they will flesh out Mai's story in full.

Quite possibly the most versatile among the paths. If Key had chosen to designate her as the main "lead", I don't think we would have had many complaints.

To flesh out Mai's story in full, you need some of the Ayu bits in it to setup the background, there is no get around it. I predict Kyoani will be donig the exact same thing with how they used Mai to enhance both Makoto and Mai's character. I am positive they will use Ayu's screen time and presences to explain what came about with Mai, and only until the very end will they shift the focus on Mai alone, like in the case of Makoto. This should not be interpreted as a modular approach because we clearly see how the stories are connected.

Modular approach doesn't work with Kanon, end of story.

Skane · 2006-12-08, 00:08

That would be a pleasant surprise, if Mai's arc gets resolved the last. ^^;

Cheers.

DanielSong39 · 2006-12-08, 00:25

Hoping for a Mai ending, but it's destined to go down in flames.

Wonder whether they'll pull a Toei and have her end up with someone else.

FatPianoBoy · 2006-12-08, 00:27

Starting with this post, I'm handing out negative rep for untagged spoilers

KenOhki'sRage · 2006-12-13, 14:25

I'm having a hard time with people who've been saying that Yuuichi is a jerk and the girls like him for no reason. Not just this forum but on other anime forums I visit the consensus from many is that the girls are all crazy for liking someone who's so mean to them. I don't understand where they're coming from.

Makoto, deserved being picked on. From the start she was exceptionally rude and unforgiving to the boy but people understand that one, Tsundere couple I guess.

Mai, she gets picked on a little but I see it as more Yuuichi being playful in order to try opening her up. She's incredibly aloof and Yuuichi has admitted to being happy just having her say anything. I don't see him picking on her anyway, sometimes he jabs at her with something but immediately says it's a joke.

Nayuki, well that one's more complicated. I find him comfortable with Nayuki, she's more of a little sister then anything for Yuuichi right now and people always pick on sisters. I think any feelings she may have for him are from the past. Present conditions may be forgivable to a good degree.

Shiori, he does pick on her for being out in the cold when she's ill. That shows more caring then anything. If she ends up liking him it'll be because he's concerned for her and we can see that in how he treats her.

Ayu, I think he's more playful with her. She's easily picked on and her reactions to being picked on are usually very cute. Also he's not intentionally mean to her and we can see from expressions in both Ayu and Yuuichi that they enjoy being with each other. I can't get much into more explaining for fear of spoilers but as with Nayuki we've seen that she knew Yuuichi already and feelings for him may also dwell in the past.

Skyfall · 2006-12-13, 14:31

Huh ?

The vast majority i know think Yuichi is a great harem lead, and i am jumping on the bandwagon. His actions might be considered mean only towards Nayuki... i think he is taking her for granted to some extent. (And i also think we will hear from Nayuki about this issue at some point, which, i imagine, will make Yuichi feel rather guilty about it.) So...aside from miss-treating Nayuki somewhat, he is a very good male lead. If some one has problems with understanding sarcasm (which is strong in Yuichi) it is their problem.

KenOhki'sRage · 2006-12-13, 14:36

I guess it's more on the Animenation page and a few gaming forums with anime sections then here. I keep getting comments like Yuuichi's the man, he gets girls even when he mistreats them. Or, why do these girls even like this jerk?

Ascaloth · 2006-12-13, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

I'm actually rooting for the stupidest method of telling the story of Kanon just because I know shit all about a show I don't like but can't stop watching; let's see if they will do this story as stupidly as I hope they will just because my pea brain cannot comprehend anything else.

Fixed for accuracy.

And you know, here's a thought about something that could potentially happen after the main storyline of Kanon. It's a stretch of the imagination, but oh, how plausible it could be...

Spoiler for MASSIVE SPOILERS for both Kanon and AIR...:

Vexx · 2006-12-13, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenOhki'sRage

I guess it's more on the Animenation page and a few gaming forums with anime sections then here. I keep getting comments like Yuuichi's the man, he gets girls even when he mistreats them. Or, why do these girls even like this jerk?

One of the reasons I'm over here versus most other places is I find the maturity level a bit higher here (with some glaring exceptions). Enough people here seem to grasp the complexities of relationships and the need for care a bit better. I enjoy comparing notes with them. It probably has to do with experience. "Yuuichi's the man, he gets girls even when he mistreats them" informs me that the speaker is misogynist, misunderstands what Yuuichi is doing, and doesn't even grasp the status of the relationships in the story. I can only hope they're young and are confusing their acquaintences for *friends* and minor interactions with girls for *relationships*.
One might say that someone who's actually been in a few successful tactical assaults is more worth listening to for useful advice than someone who has only been in a few practice simulations.

New/Old · 2006-12-14, 00:13

Hmm... Yes. I've always been miffed at those comments on Yuuichi. Ah well.

I've been enjoying it here very much and appreciate all the excellent comments here. Hope to continue enjoying it here for a much longer time.

2006-11-26, 14:52	Link #1461
toblivericuknow Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: sunny southern california	Hmm, okay. I'll take the chance ^___^ Since I do like "laughs in the beginning and sad stories in the end with a mixture of fantasy within". Thanks ^_^ __________________

2006-11-28, 23:02	Link #1465
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	O... somebody spoofed Kanon OP good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et_onRho2vk"Kannon" __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori

2006-11-29, 13:22	Link #1466
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I just finished the Kanon manga that was spun off the (game?movie?thinair?). Though it had parts that were cute and a couple of tragic moments --- I have to say anyone reading it first before playing the game or seeing the anime would be seriously misled about the story. Much of it was just cutely drawn comedy bits but it truncated many storylines and it was --- (massive manga spoilers, avoid if you haven't read it) Spoiler: It was as if Nayuki was chained to Yuuichi the entire story. There was never even a chance that Yuuichi might have a moment with any of most of the other girls, yet there was basically also little romance between Nayuki and Yuuichi... so having her along for every scene not only failed to make sense but seriously muted/handicapped the intensity of the other arcs. It handled the Ayu climax somewhat poorly (something the 2002 version suffered from as well) and this confuses a LOT of people I see posting about it. Yuuichi thinks Ayu is a ghost that fades away --- but there is no corresponding epiphany from Yuuichi when Ayu comes out of her coma and he realizes she was never dead to begin with. The manga is still sort of an Ayu ending .... but it almost seems more of a threesome ending since Nayuki never really gets any resolution. Perhaps they intended that triangle remain unresolved. I dunno, I found it very unsatisfactory as an adaptation of the game material and fairly mediocre as a standalone story. I would have read it and chucked it into my "donate" sack. Unfortunately, this happens frequently when a piece of literature is developed as a spin off of another medium (remembers a lot of lame novels based on movies or television properties). At least it was short and I didn't have to buy it.... Generally, at least so far I'd have to arrange most enjoyed to least enjoyed as: Original Game --> Kanon 2006 --> Kanon2002 --> Kanon manga. As always, Your Mileage May Vary. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-12-08, 00:08	Link #1472
Skane Anime Snark Join Date: May 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 41	That would be a pleasant surprise, if Mai's arc gets resolved the last. ^^; Cheers. __________________ Hearthstone Battletag: Skane#1425 [Can't GIF This], [Jail's House of Rock], [Kanon In The Snow], [She Ain't Dead Yet... She's In Quantum], [She Stabs] Founder of "The Cult of Psycho-Moe", Member of "ARIA the Social Group" & the "Belkan Saint Church".

2006-12-13, 14:31	Link #1476
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	Huh ? The vast majority i know think Yuichi is a great harem lead, and i am jumping on the bandwagon. His actions might be considered mean only towards Nayuki... i think he is taking her for granted to some extent. (And i also think we will hear from Nayuki about this issue at some point, which, i imagine, will make Yuichi feel rather guilty about it.) So...aside from miss-treating Nayuki somewhat, he is a very good male lead. If some one has problems with understanding sarcasm (which is strong in Yuichi) it is their problem. __________________

2006-11-26, 23:28	Link #1462
DanielSong39 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Good luck; make sure to check out the 2002 anime and the manga as well for the full Kanon experience. All based on the same story - yet drasticly different in their approach. The plot elements hold their own for the most part... your impression of the characters will likely make or break the series. If the characters are good enough, the far-out scenarios won't bother you.

2006-11-26, 23:36	Link #1463
Ascaloth I don't give a damn, dude Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In Despair Age: 37	Neither Toei Kanon nor the manga Kanon is actually canon though (sorry for the bad pun). They're what you might call re-envisionings; based on the original, yet omitting quite a bit of detail. Do go ahead and try them. If you want the actual full story though, there's nowhere to go but the game itself. However, if you're like me and can't read Japanese for nuts, sticking with KyoAni's Kanon for now will get you as close to the original as currently possible. Your call as to which to go for first. EDIT: Oh yes, be warned if you do actually decided to go for Toei 2k2 Kanon or the manga first, you'll be spoiling yourself pretty bad....I learned this the hard way.

2006-11-27, 11:58	Link #1464
HazardNights Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa, USA Age: 41	Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Will try to look up some of those series. I stared watching Shuffle when it first came out but stopped due to time so never really found out how that whole situation ended up. Same for Da Capo, only saw the first two episodes before dropping it due to time. Will try to check out those two among the others as well. I will be looking at the 2002 version of Kanon though. Perhaps I'll like that version better.

2006-12-06, 16:25	Link #1467
MakubeX2 うるとらぺど Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 44	http://smallassassin.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-641.html

2006-12-07, 22:20	Link #1468
DanielSong39 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well, it's official; KyoAni is going the modular route. 1-6: Introduction 7-10: Makoto 11-14: Mai (15-18: Shiori) (19-24: Ayu/Nayuki) At least that's my prediction - let's see how close they are.

2006-12-07, 23:32	Link #1470
DanielSong39 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	I'm actually rooting for the modular route; let's see if they will flesh out Mai's story in full. Quite possibly the most versatile among the paths. If Key had chosen to designate her as the main "lead", I don't think we would have had many complaints.

2006-12-08, 00:25	Link #1473
DanielSong39 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Hoping for a Mai ending, but it's destined to go down in flames. Wonder whether they'll pull a Toei and have her end up with someone else.

2006-12-08, 00:27	Link #1474
FatPianoBoy Dansa med oss Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky Age: 36	Starting with this post, I'm handing out negative rep for untagged spoilers

2006-12-13, 14:25	Link #1475
KenOhki'sRage Primula hates you Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Utah Age: 48	I'm having a hard time with people who've been saying that Yuuichi is a jerk and the girls like him for no reason. Not just this forum but on other anime forums I visit the consensus from many is that the girls are all crazy for liking someone who's so mean to them. I don't understand where they're coming from. Makoto, deserved being picked on. From the start she was exceptionally rude and unforgiving to the boy but people understand that one, Tsundere couple I guess. Mai, she gets picked on a little but I see it as more Yuuichi being playful in order to try opening her up. She's incredibly aloof and Yuuichi has admitted to being happy just having her say anything. I don't see him picking on her anyway, sometimes he jabs at her with something but immediately says it's a joke. Nayuki, well that one's more complicated. I find him comfortable with Nayuki, she's more of a little sister then anything for Yuuichi right now and people always pick on sisters. I think any feelings she may have for him are from the past. Present conditions may be forgivable to a good degree. Shiori, he does pick on her for being out in the cold when she's ill. That shows more caring then anything. If she ends up liking him it'll be because he's concerned for her and we can see that in how he treats her. Ayu, I think he's more playful with her. She's easily picked on and her reactions to being picked on are usually very cute. Also he's not intentionally mean to her and we can see from expressions in both Ayu and Yuuichi that they enjoy being with each other. I can't get much into more explaining for fear of spoilers but as with Nayuki we've seen that she knew Yuuichi already and feelings for him may also dwell in the past.

2006-12-13, 14:36	Link #1477
KenOhki'sRage Primula hates you Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Utah Age: 48	I guess it's more on the Animenation page and a few gaming forums with anime sections then here. I keep getting comments like Yuuichi's the man, he gets girls even when he mistreats them. Or, why do these girls even like this jerk?

2006-12-14, 00:13	Link #1480
New/Old Old to the New Join Date: Oct 2006	Hmm... Yes. I've always been miffed at those comments on Yuuichi. Ah well. I've been enjoying it here very much and appreciate all the excellent comments here. Hope to continue enjoying it here for a much longer time. __________________ Come what may.....