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2009-09-29, 10:31 | Link #2162 | |
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In a situation where humans enter a different dimension with different physical laws (and yet are somehow able to stay alive), then the first step of the scientific process would be to pull out a ruler and start measuring things to gather data. |
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2009-09-29, 11:06 | Link #2164 | |
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What do you mean by "non-material barrier of science?" If such a thing exists, it will be measured and experimented with, and incorporated into our knowledge. If magic exists, wizards study it, and are able derive its properties and harness its power, as in many fantasy settings, it would actually be considered a science. |
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2009-09-29, 11:38 | Link #2168 | |
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The reason why these things are not considered science in the real world is because all the data that can be attributed to them can either all be debunked, or attributed to normal natural laws. Without any data (which can be as simple as an indisputable sighting of an unknown phenomena), there can be no measurements or experimentation, hence why the "supernatural" is not considered science. As for "enough evidence," making practical use of what we know only confirms that we have "enough" to accomplish what we want. It does not confirm that we have "all" the evidence. More evidence would either confirm our existing laws, or add to them so that our approximations become closer to the actual truth. |
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2009-09-29, 12:01 | Link #2170 | |
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If God were to make a real-life appearance, scientists would acknowledge the existence of a powerful being, and attempt to determine what the limits of its powers are. In that case, denying would be considered unscientific. |
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2009-09-29, 12:11 | Link #2171 | |
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EDIT: one more thing. The existence of God, Ghosts, and Magic will definitely bend "science" "laws". I guess that's why they're considered "supernatural" and "unscientific"....Although the word usage seems to bother a little with understanding. |
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2009-09-29, 12:21 | Link #2172 | |
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"Supernatural" means outside of nature... yet if that stuff is actually proven to exist, it would be considered a part of nature and not "supernatural" anymore. Their existence will demonstrate that our current laws are inadequate to explain their existence, but not that they are beyond human understanding for all time. |
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Isn't it really more of a "belief" area? |
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2009-09-29, 12:40 | Link #2174 | |
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The scientific laws are considered "proven" in that it consistently explains the data we have, and can be disproven if new data contradicts it. The laws are human constructs, and are only natural as long as they fit the data. |
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2009-09-29, 13:05 | Link #2176 | ||
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As for scientific theories, they're called theories because they cannot be proven (but can be disproven). Theories make predictions, and there is no certainty that any prediction about the future will always be true, even if an experiment has succeeded hundreds of times in the past. |
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2009-09-29, 13:12 | Link #2177 | |
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Clarifying on the ongoing debate topic, one of the reasons hypothesis regarding God and the whole God concepts cannot be tested or be falsifiable in any sense. From the Wiki article and fasifiability
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In that sense, normally most theologists agree that the matter of God is a matter of faith. faith being the only actually way you can arrive to him. In that case, you cannot actually rationalize the concept of God.
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I'll ask a follow-up. "Christianity" is a bit vague (actually very vague). What particular sect of Christianity do you belong to?
There's a huge amount of difference between various interpretations of the faith. (all the major faiths have major differences in their various strains).
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I mean, He might have some kind of moral system where bad things sometimes happening to good people is good, and He might be its perfect expression - but if a man rejoiced about babies getting stuffed in fridges, we'd call him a jerk, not benevolent. |
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