Aldnoah.Zero - Episode 24 [END] Discussion / Poll

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

Using someone that is actually is dead.

What's the purpose? To let Slaine go? It's not like he's not to blame either.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

There was no pacifist space knight. They were all willing to invade Earth. That's why they are there in the first place. The issue is who has the power, and that is clearly still the royals.

So no, Asseylum's death was never necessary if the Emperor was the one who actively wanted a restart of the invasion. Her death was necessary only because it was Saazbaum who was manipulating the whole thing for his own revenge.

By pacifist, I meant lazy and comfortable. They were comfortable with peace, only cared about looking good, having power, being nobles, dueling.

Even when nudged to invade Earth, only a fraction of the fleet invaded. Many of the nobles abstained, didn't land their castles. They were chilling in orbit, sipping cocktails.

Originally Posted by monster

What's the purpose? To let Slaine go? It's not like he's not to blame either.

The only person to pay for the crimes of the Martians was a terran who was basically a slave most of his life.

The royal family walked away virtually unscathed.

They put all the blame of the Martian war crimes on the one guy who was gonna bring democracy to Mars, reintegrate martians into terrain society. Asseylum who didn't pay attention to warning, knowingly gave the martian hardlines a reason to go to war end up running the show after making the worst decisions in the entire series. The dumbest, least qualified person wins.

Slaine paid for the sins of two planets, the martian nobles, the royal family, etc. He got majorly screwed.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

By pacifist, I meant lazy and comfortable. They were comfortable with peace, only cared about looking good, having power, being nobles, dueling.

Even when nudged to invade Earth, only a fraction of the fleet invaded. Many of the nobles abstained, didn't land their castles. They were chilling in orbit, sipping cocktails.

That still doesn't mean they were going to refuse an order to continue with the invasion. They were enjoying life because they had resources and they knew what it would mean if their resources were to run out again.

The only person to pay for the crimes of the Martians was a terran who was basically a slave most of his life.

The royal family walked away virtually unscathed.

They put all the blame of the Martian war crimes on the one guy who was gonna bring democracy to Mars, reintegrate martians into terrain society. Asseylum who didn't pay attention to warning, knowingly gave the martian hardlines a reason to go to war end up running the show after making the worst decisions in the entire series. The dumbest, least qualified person wins.

Slaine paid for the sins of two planets, the martian nobles, the royal family, etc. He got majorly screwed.

Slaine was the only one left alive amongst the leadership. The rest paid with their lives (aside from the emperor who died of natural causes before the end of the war and who knows where Lemrina ended up).

And Slaine actually had it easy and it's proven because he was given the chance to smile again.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

That still doesn't mean they were going to refuse an order to continue with the invasion. They were enjoying life because they had resources and they knew what it would mean if their resources were to run out again. Slaine was the only one left alive amongst the leadership. The rest paid with their lives (aside from the emperor who died of natural causes before the end of the war and who knows where Lemrina ended up).

And Slaine actually had it easy and it's proven because he was given the chance to smile again.

He wasn't fully accepted by Martian nobles. This is why he gave Aldnoah to some commoners.

When Asseylum threw him under the bus claiming she found a new man, a number of his troops defected, I believe. The only ones who stayed by his side were those who believed in his cause like Harklight.

The most hardcore anti-earthling Martians quit when Saazbaum died and he had a hard time recruiting knights and counts due to his background.

Slaine's revolutionary vision had won him the admiration of commoners.

Harklight may be back on Mars spreading the word.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

He wasn't fully accepted by Martian nobles. This is why he gave Aldnoah to some commoners.

When Asseylum threw him under the bus claiming she found a new man, a number of his troops defected, I believe. The only ones who stayed by his side were those who believed in his cause like Harklight.

The most hardcore anti-earthling Martians quit when Saazbaum died and he had a hard time recruiting knights and counts due to his background.

Slaine's revolutionary vision had won him the admiration of commoners.

Harklight may be back on Mars spreading the word.

What does that have to do with anything we're discussing?

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by monster

What does that have to do with anything we're discussing?

Everything. Slaine ended up the martyr. He's in prison for the crimes of the Martian Royal family and the genocidal campaign orchestrated by the Martian nobles.

Asseylum stupidly visited Earth for some bullcrap speech against the advice of everyone just because she thought she could stop the cold war by squeezing her breasts together and smiling.

Her father and all of the nobles are war criminals.

He takes all of the blame for everyone. Asseylum thinks she can erase the resulting resentment and slaughter of billions.

During the series we see that Slaine started something bigger than him and Asseylum when Harklight speaks to him.

Harklight scenes are important and will probably be the basis of a second series, if there ever is one. He knows the truth, he knew the plan.

Harklight saw Slaine as a revolutionary, a reformer.

Slaine inspires his most loyal men, to the point they're willing to die for the cause.... go down with him. At the end he's fighting for more than Asseylum.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by mechalord

Everything. Slaine ended up the martyr. He's in prison for the crimes of the Martian Royal family and the genocidal campaign orchestrated by the Martian nobles.

Slaine is in jail for the crimes he committed, which are several.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Slaine is in jail for the crimes he committed, which are several.

OK name the crimes that Slaine committed

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Slaine is in jail for the crimes he committed, which are several.

His most grievous crime was trying to deceive the Martian royal family, conspiring to bring equality to the solar system.

He's such a terrible guy. And when he went to war against the Earthlings all of his targets were military and of strategic importance.

Saazbaum and others were slaughtering civilians. They basically nuked entire cities.


Slaine was the only good guy. Inaho was just a guy trying to survive with no real ideology. He was a 100% soldier.

Slaine was the idealist, revolutionary general that inspired the oppressed Martian commoners.

At the end of it all he's blamed for the sins of the nobles and Royals, labeled a terrorist and traitor, for saving a princess and trying to bring lasting peace.

The institutions that tried to wipe out all the Earthlings still exist. Asseylum accomplished nothing more than a moment of peace.

If there is a second season it will be about the next war, one that doesn't begin under false pretenses. Slaine inspired Harklight and others who will may revolt in his name. Harklight and Lemrina know everything and they appear to have survived.

[monster]

Originally Posted by mechalord

Everything. Slaine ended up the martyr.

Slaine is in prison for treason and conspiracy to escalate/reignite the war/invasion under false pretenses. None of what you said has any relevance to that fact.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by monster

Slaine is in prison for treason and conspiracy to escalate/reignite the war/invasion under false pretenses. None of what you said has any relevance to that fact.

OK Explain and what is the max sentence for treason in the real world

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by leelee85

OK name the crimes that Slaine committed

Treason, various war crimes such as waging war under false pretenses, conspiracy to impersonate someone, etc.

Originally Posted by mechalord

His most grievous crime was trying to deceive the Martian royal family, conspiring to bring equality to the solar system.

You forgot the part where he waged war under false pretenses.

And when he went to war against the Earthlings all of his targets were military and of strategic importance.

Killing soldiers in a war you waged under false pretenses is a crime.

Saazbaum and others were slaughtering civilians. They basically nuked entire cities.

What's your point? That doesn't make Slaine's crimes disappear.

Originally Posted by leelee85

OK Explain and what is the max sentence for treason in the real world

Maximum sentence for treason is life imprisonment or death, generally.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Maximum sentence for treason is life imprisonment or death, generally.

And the minimal is what?

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by leelee85

And the minimal is what?

For what Slaine did, life in prison is the minimum.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by Endscape

For what Slaine did, life in prison is the minimum.

Well Slaine don't deserve this cause his live was just gotten worse.

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

Well Slaine don't deserve this cause his live was just gotten worse.

He committed treason. There's no going around that.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by monster

He committed treason. There's no going around that.

Well who
s fault is that for bringing him to mars in the first Place?

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

Well who
s fault is that for bringing him to mars in the first Place?

Irrelevant.

[leelee85]

Originally Posted by monster

Irrelevant.

SO you saying SLaine is going to have a long lonely life cause of his misdoings.

[monster]

Originally Posted by leelee85

SO you saying SLaine is going to have a long lonely life cause of his misdoings.

Unless his term is cut short for whatever reason, then most likely yes.