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2008-10-16, 10:40 | Link #3822 |
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Another link that shows "Joe the Plumber" isn't even registered to vote...Good God what a plant...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi....html#comments
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2008-10-16, 12:34 | Link #3823 | |
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2008-10-16, 12:41 | Link #3824 | |
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In 2000 the media LOVED McCain over Bush, but guess what happened? Bush kicked his a$$...But again let your ignorance reign supreme and vote based on your own bias AGAINST the media instead of simply voting for who you think is the best candidate...Gotta love this nation though, because you've got the right to do something this asinine...
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2008-10-16, 12:44 | Link #3825 |
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McCain sure is one poor public debater. Not smooth, or quick witted (which doesn't mean stupid by any means). He did manage to raise most of his critical points. He missed a number of good opportunities as well. For example:
1. When Obama said he and Biden were in lock step McCain could have highlighted Biden's liberal record and used it against him. 2. McCain also failed to capitalize on the 95 percent tax cut = 40 percent welfare angle when he had the opportunity. 3. The angle to have handled Ayers would have been to talk about the Annenberg foundation and what they spent the money on and not the terrorist angle. Radical fiscal and social policy vs radical individual. 4. McCain totally missed the opportunity to point out that Obama supports an activist supreme court and that's not the role of the court. It's up to the legislative and executive branches to make law. Something that could have been educational to the public. However, all in all not a failure. Not a victory moment, but a foundation for the next two weeks focused on "Senator Government" and his "No Pork Left Behind" policies. Joe the Plumber is a real wild card now. Noticed a mutually toxic subject like Immigration was not raised. An anti immigration McCain would be a shoe in today, but that's not where the current Republican party is looking to go long term. 2nd Amendment didn't come up. Probably a bone to Obama from Schieffer (moderator). I agreed somewhat with Obama's populist views on a level playing field with US trade agreements. Now, Obama would likely push for more protectionism than is wise, but it's currently hard for our companies to compete for mfg. when we have ethical and moral standards for labor and the environment, but we enter into trade agreements with countries that have business practices straight out of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" -- largely for the benefit of multinational tycoons and the politicians they buy. |
2008-10-16, 12:48 | Link #3826 |
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Oh I forgot to mention it since my net was down last night, but congrats to CBS' Bill Schieffer for being BY FAR the best moderator this debate season, asking the best questions of this debate season, and actually MODERATING the debate...I mean he even did something called asking FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS , and asked questions actually based on the news cycle...He pwned Leher, Ifill, and Brokaw, hands down...
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2008-10-16, 12:48 | Link #3827 | |
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2008-10-16, 13:18 | Link #3829 | |
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The DailyKos screwed that up. He goes by Joe, but that's his middle name. Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher is registered to vote. |
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2008-10-16, 13:18 | Link #3830 | |
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That is not to say that Obama had any zingers. In fact, as far as I can tell, he has never had a zinger, at least not since his keynote address 4 years ago (his "One America" line). |
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2008-10-16, 13:22 | Link #3831 |
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Joe the plumber has been exposed. FRAUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...the-spotlight/ "Turns out that “Joe the Plumber,” as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate, may run a plumbing business but he is not a licensed plumber. His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes a bit in back taxes." "The records, she said, showed he voted Republican in the March primary. " James: Isn't your sig from Colbert Report? |
2008-10-16, 16:22 | Link #3833 | |
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Obama looked...average, for a lack of a better word. He concentrated on what McCain said, and even laughed at some of McCain more exaggerated points (Obama did not smirk, look to Cheney to see how to smirk, and nothing Obama did looked anything like Cheney's patented smirk). If you felt his smile was condescending, okay, I cannot really argue with your conception of a smile. McCain, though from my perspective, looked bewildered (with his eyebrows raised as high as they could go ), annoyed, and, with his vocal behaviour during Obama's talking points, dismissive. In the end, even if both the facial and body expressions were similar, hell even if all of their attacks and defenses came out equal, McCain still failed to connect with the average Middle Class Independent voter, something he desperately needed to do in order to make any headway into this election. So, McCain still lost. |
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2008-10-16, 16:31 | Link #3834 |
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I wasn't denying the fact that McCain wasn't looking like his usual aggravated self(even though its sometimes hard to pick what exact emotion he is trying to convey). I was just stating that Obama gave off, from what I saw, much of the same body language, but perhaps not for the same reason. Honestly I don't think anything McCain could have done would have changed much as he has seemed to pretty much stick with his usually tactics and I think its been made abundantly clear that McCain is losing this race right now.
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2008-10-16, 16:37 | Link #3835 | |
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2008-10-16, 16:38 | Link #3836 |
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Well yeah, he was doing "faces" and "doodling"...He just wasn't doing faces that showed curmudgeon grandpa level impatience and faces that showed a near tantrum or explosion on the brink...He wrote a few things from time to time, but McCain seemed to jot down something EVERY COUPLE OF SECONDS (His aging memory and pension for trying to create a zinger from something Obama said most likely being the reason here)...So you're right Obama made faces and doodled too, good catch ...
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2008-10-16, 16:44 | Link #3837 | |
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2008-10-16, 16:52 | Link #3838 |
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I aint American but I think all this political comedy around Obama and McCain has to do with the fact Obama is black. Which doesn't suprise me at all, just makes me even more concious that we are still exactly like every ancient retard civilisations.
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Actually, all American presidential elections have been like this for at least the last few cycles. Obama being black adds a little more drama to the mix, but it's been a lot less influential than you'd imagine.
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