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The problem with using nukes in Korea is it would've changed them from a weapon only used in special circumstances, to just another tool of the trade to be whipped out whenever the US or Soviet Union got themselves in a tight spot. |
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2013-03-08, 14:24 | Link #223 | ||
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2013-03-08, 14:31 | Link #224 | |
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Um, stuff like pulling hotline and canceling armistice has happened around 5-7 times already. People now days yawn about these kind of things. North Korea's defense tech is so low, Americans sometime move their warships next to the chinese defense network in order to get the Chinese to "TIP-OFF" NK Americans are nearby. How sad is that? |
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2013-03-08, 15:43 | Link #226 | |
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2013-03-08, 19:49 | Link #229 | |
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North Korea threatens nuclear strike on US Versus |
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2013-03-08, 20:19 | Link #230 | |
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2013-03-08, 22:24 | Link #233 | |
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People say DEFCON 3 right now. The last time we reached DEFCON 2 was during the Cuba Missile Crisis and God forbid we ever get there.
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2013-03-10, 21:12 | Link #234 |
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As North Korea Blusters, South Breaks Taboo With Nuclear Talk:
"two recent opinion polls show that two-thirds of South Koreans support the idea posed by a small but growing number of politicians and columnists — a reflection, analysts say, of hardening attitudes since the Feb. 12 underground nuclear test, the North’s third such test since 2006. “The third nuclear test was for South Korea what the Cuban missile crisis was for the U.S.,” said Han Yong-sup, a professor of security policy at the Korea National Defense University in Seoul. “It has made the North Korean threat seem very close and very real.”" "“Having a nuclear North Korea is like facing a person holding a gun with just your bare hands,” said Mr. Kwon, the engineer. South Koreans should have “our own nuclear capabilities, in case the U.S. pulls out like it did in Vietnam.”" See: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...pagewanted=all |
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2013-03-10, 22:07 | Link #236 | |
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2013-03-10, 22:14 | Link #237 |
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North Korea cuts off hotline with South Korea
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92A01820130311
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2013-03-10, 22:23 | Link #238 | |
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But the reason for this might is also the reason most other nations don't have it: economics. The economic might of the US is second to none (yes, even in this shitty world economy). It couldn't afford to have that arms race if it weren't for the boom in the post WW2 era. And the only reason the Soviets could come anywhere close to it was because they starved the population to feed their military power. One led to collapse much sooner, clearly, and history shows that empires that spend so much of their economy on military power will lose both eventually. North Korea is only worrisome in the sense that they could get desperate and actually use those weapons. It's a situation that is (for now) much different from any other nation with nukes, or chasing them (like Iran). Sanctions won't do much good, and they never really have. All they do is harm the general population while the leaders still live (relatively) well. The only things at this point that will end the current existence of NK is an internal collapse, or their provocation disrupting the relationship between China and the US. Once China has had enough, they'll lose any protection they had in the region. Mainland US has nothing to fear, but economically (and in terms of actual destruction/loss of lives) a NK nuke could be devastating if it hit any of the nations around it. So in the end, we wait to see what happens first: a nation collapses under its own problems, and/or some idiot pushes a big red button. That's my armchair analysis, anyway.
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2013-03-10, 22:34 | Link #239 |
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The stability of North Korea is indeed what makes their nuclear situation seem so frightening. Thing is, and I'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow or maybe even in our lifetimes, but who knows if the general level of world stability will remain in place forever. Dark ages and catastrophic collapses have happened several times in human history. When the USSR fell, there were other nations to 'stand guard' and make sure the situation did not turn towards rogue operators in charge of their nuclear arms. What would happen if the global system itself became destabilized? Mass devastation would be inevitable, but throwing into play the gargantuan stockpile of nuclear weaponry makes the idea all the more frightening. It could be a bronze age collapse all over again, but perhaps with more permanent destruction of civilization involved...
So when I hear about North Korea obtaining nuclear weaponry, I agree with everyone out there that wants to prevent this scenario, but it also serves to me as a poignant reminder that we should aggressively disarm even those more 'trustworthy' and stable nations as well... I'm happy steps have been made in this direction, but they haven't been nearly enough. |
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Each Dark Age has had other nations not particularly effected by the collapse of an empire...just they were too far away to really do anything (or particularly care) what happened in that empire. Civilizations in China, India, and the Americas went on when Rome fell and Europe fell into the Dark Ages. I'm not even certain they even noticed in China.
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