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ookamigirl · 2011-11-26, 07:54

The beginning was pretty interesting.
Shinjurou working at a movie set as cameraman? Hmm..
The whole thing was pretty much suspicious.

amasposu · 2011-11-26, 20:53

Just watched episode 7. What a crazy plot twist it is to turn Shinjuurou into a criminal.

I see that Kazamori tried to help him. =(

I wonder if showing Hayami Seigen in the last frame is a red herring. This series has too many red herrings! o_o

Yu Ominae · 2011-11-28, 19:41

Watching it besides Fate/Zero since I got nothing to do.

Also enjoyed Amuro speaking for one episode...

miketyson · 2011-12-01, 13:57

Episode 8: once again not what was expected. Whereas ep7 had my head spinning after it wrapped up this just has me glad it's over and looking forward to ep9.

Spoiler for Ep8:

fertygo · 2011-12-01, 16:05

I like this eps more than the previous eps, less confusing and less jumpy... and the pacing actually good. Nice eps.

Sides · 2011-12-01, 16:24

Kazamori's hack attack reminded me of old sci-fi movies/games/book, where they try to visualise hacking a system or network.
Episode itself basically closed last week's case, but also unveiling what Kazamori and Inga were doing to find Shinjurou, who went missing or

Spoiler:

Next weeks episode looks interesting

ars89 · 2011-12-01, 17:41

Lol at the long line while SHinjurou was away. Like how Kazamori was able to wake him up. Mystery was solved nicely. Glad we got to see Inga in action again. So Bettenou is the name of the girl that helped the Novelist. So she had ties to a cult in the past and Inga knows her. WTF Kaishou took her?

Zavie · 2011-12-01, 17:54

I think the story is finally moving into a bigger setting, while still focusing on the whole war and post-war state.

Thumb up for the unexpected twist when everything is just the Novelist's reality making. That kinda took me surprised, and the whole changing from novel's reality to reality is very nice to watch as well. I like how the scenery kept changing from the film studio to the prison.

However, I think the detective side of this episode was kinda weak. How Shinjurou solved the problem and the truth behind the scene were quite flat, we don't get to see anymore depth as setting or character in this episode. Well, at least it seem they are getting into this in the next episode.

Overall, I enjoy this episode a lot for time-killing. But as a whole, compare to some other very strong episode of other animes this week. I hope that Bones will get better next time...

shmaster · 2011-12-02, 01:05

Okay.... so Kaishou didn't leave the mischievous god be after the movie....
Inga vs. Bettenou next week, hopefully this shows won't trail away in the wrong direction.
Though, I am surprised that the Novelist is only a short term villain.

Haak · 2011-12-02, 04:12

Looks like the invisi-wall was intentional after all. I just thought that might have been a mistake. That was a great episode. I especially liked how they made that other detective (who's name I can never remember) more a part of this mystery solving as well. It seems like he might gradually become more and more important. Also Rei is just awesome.

Mercurius.H · 2011-12-02, 08:41

OMG I mean these two episodes are awesome! Every forshadowing in ep7 was integrated and developed in ep8. As always, detective part of this episode was a bit flat, but it provided an great example of philosophical and symbolic subtext.

Kanon · 2011-12-02, 09:22

Like others, I was a bit disappointed with how they wrapped up the mystery. It did feel flat. The rest of the episode was excellent though.

Next week, Kaishou's crime... this will not doubt be interesting. I hope that crime doesn't refer to the fact he hid and confined (?) Bettenou. I want something more juicy.

DXMichael · 2011-12-02, 10:37

Ahhh ok, I see, the steel cages that are used to seperate the guy and girl inmates were what he was leaning on when next to those girls inmates/actors. Thats pretty cool.

I always love it when that guitar music starts to play, it just lets you know "Prepare to have everything revealed and to be impressed by the main character" kind of message

Another good episode, I really had no idea who the killer was so it was quite exciting to learn who did it.

DezoPenguin · 2011-12-02, 18:53

A day late getting to see this one...

This was interesting and fun in a lot of ways, yet simultaneously disturbing. Highlights included the funny bit with the massive line of people pleading for Shinjurou's attention (and how most of their concerns had nothing to do with being a detective), Kazamori's Net dive (I'm obviously showing my age when I note that such scenes give me a feeling of nostalgia), and Rie and Koyama's antics.

Spoiler for Ep. 8:

Guido · 2011-12-02, 21:13

By exposing retroactively the chain of events disclosed in this episode, then it makes the previous one holding sense.

Spoiler:

crazypeter · 2011-12-02, 22:31

Yeah, I agree that the detective part might be flat but I do think the meat of the story doesn't focus on the detective's reasoning.

I really love the ED and whenever the ED cuts in, I feel that is really 'good in the last drop'!

Yu Ominae · 2011-12-03, 04:42

I do wish to ask if the excerpt shown in the OP is from the novel or something done for the show.

Also am not sure how to translate everything as I'm not sure what the 60 years is referring to...

Spoiler for Photo:

Quarkboy · 2011-12-03, 06:03

It basically just says this is a work of fiction based of Ango's novels, and that none of the people appearing in it are based off anyone in reality.

ookamigirl · 2011-12-03, 08:55

Shinjurou in serious trouble.
So many illusions...
It was just sad watching their illusions.
This case was pretty intriguing!

Battler-kun · 2011-12-03, 23:25

The main problem with this anime is that it has only 11 episodes to fill in all the stuff.

And it's trying to put too much stuff into too little space.
For me, it's pretentious this way. Trying to pretend something it is not.

The conclusion is always blatant. Somehow it is not the main character who is solving the case, the case is rather solving itself.
The main character is just a medium of delivering the speech.
There seems little connection to how he is involved in the process of solving things.

To make it short.
It's bad writing, definitely.
But the question is whether it is predestined with only 11 episodes to fill in everything.
On the other hand the show is yet episodically structured.

Pretentious is the only word that springs into my mind.

There is hope though that the last episode is gonna smooth things out by unravelling the mysteries.

2011-11-26, 07:54	Link #441
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	The beginning was pretty interesting. Shinjurou working at a movie set as cameraman? Hmm.. The whole thing was pretty much suspicious. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2011-11-28, 19:41	Link #443
Yu Ominae ARCAM Spriggan agent Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada/Quezon City, Philippines	Watching it besides Fate/Zero since I got nothing to do. Also enjoyed Amuro speaking for one episode... __________________ Even if we were at odds with each other, I still thank you for training me, Instructor Bowman - Yu Ominae, reflecting on Bowman's death after killing him in Phantom Island

2011-12-01, 13:57	Link #444
miketyson Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	Episode 8: once again not what was expected. Whereas ep7 had my head spinning after it wrapped up this just has me glad it's over and looking forward to ep9. Spoiler for Ep8: Where Ep 7 was strange and fantastic, this was very flat and ordinary. One of the common criticisms I've heard is that the mysteries in this show are easy, and even though I don't think the easy mysteries are a big deal for the show this episode isn't going to help allay that accusation. It's also got the first ineffective "walk-off" at the end; usually at the end Shinjuro makes a cool little sermon and walks off while the ED cuts in, this time his sermon just seems lame and forced. It also seems to introduce the first legitimate story oversight: Kazamori's operating "openly" and no one seems to care. I could buy indifference from the "officials" -- the prosecutor, the police guy, etc. -- b/c they're used to telling half-truths and looking the other way, etc., but we also have Kazamori working together with Rie. Since Kazamori is also supposed to be Rie's best friend's brother and Rie's such a stick-in-the-mud for honesty this felt out of place. All in all, though, I was pleasantly surprised by how close my guesses turned out to be. I was expecting 0% and maybe got 20-30%.

2011-12-01, 16:05	Link #445
fertygo Hyakko Fanboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 32	I like this eps more than the previous eps, less confusing and less jumpy... and the pacing actually good. Nice eps. __________________

2011-12-01, 16:24	Link #446
Sides Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 42	Kazamori's hack attack reminded me of old sci-fi movies/games/book, where they try to visualise hacking a system or network. Episode itself basically closed last week's case, but also unveiling what Kazamori and Inga were doing to find Shinjurou, who went missing or Spoiler: jailed under wrong/fake ID. Next weeks episode looks interesting

2011-11-26, 20:53	Link #442
amasposu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	Just watched episode 7. What a crazy plot twist it is to turn Shinjuurou into a criminal. I see that Kazamori tried to help him. =( I wonder if showing Hayami Seigen in the last frame is a red herring. This series has too many red herrings! o_o

2011-12-01, 17:41	Link #447
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	Lol at the long line while SHinjurou was away. Like how Kazamori was able to wake him up. Mystery was solved nicely. Glad we got to see Inga in action again. So Bettenou is the name of the girl that helped the Novelist. So she had ties to a cult in the past and Inga knows her. WTF Kaishou took her? __________________ My Anime List

2011-12-01, 17:54	Link #448
Zavie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	I think the story is finally moving into a bigger setting, while still focusing on the whole war and post-war state. Thumb up for the unexpected twist when everything is just the Novelist's reality making. That kinda took me surprised, and the whole changing from novel's reality to reality is very nice to watch as well. I like how the scenery kept changing from the film studio to the prison. However, I think the detective side of this episode was kinda weak. How Shinjurou solved the problem and the truth behind the scene were quite flat, we don't get to see anymore depth as setting or character in this episode. Well, at least it seem they are getting into this in the next episode. Overall, I enjoy this episode a lot for time-killing. But as a whole, compare to some other very strong episode of other animes this week. I hope that Bones will get better next time...

2011-12-02, 01:05	Link #449
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	Okay.... so Kaishou didn't leave the mischievous god be after the movie.... Inga vs. Bettenou next week, hopefully this shows won't trail away in the wrong direction. Though, I am surprised that the Novelist is only a short term villain.

2011-12-02, 04:12	Link #450
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Looks like the invisi-wall was intentional after all. I just thought that might have been a mistake. That was a great episode. I especially liked how they made that other detective (who's name I can never remember) more a part of this mystery solving as well. It seems like he might gradually become more and more important. Also Rei is just awesome. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2011-12-02, 08:41	Link #451
Mercurius.H King of Hg Join Date: Apr 2011	OMG I mean these two episodes are awesome! Every forshadowing in ep7 was integrated and developed in ep8. As always, detective part of this episode was a bit flat, but it provided an great example of philosophical and symbolic subtext. __________________ Cuius rei subscriptionem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet. I have discovered a truly remarkable signature which this margin is too small to contain.

2011-12-02, 09:22	Link #452
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Like others, I was a bit disappointed with how they wrapped up the mystery. It did feel flat. The rest of the episode was excellent though. Next week, Kaishou's crime... this will not doubt be interesting. I hope that crime doesn't refer to the fact he hid and confined (?) Bettenou. I want something more juicy. __________________

2011-12-02, 10:37	Link #453
DXMichael Psycho Falling Deep Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Anime World Age: 29	Ahhh ok, I see, the steel cages that are used to seperate the guy and girl inmates were what he was leaning on when next to those girls inmates/actors. Thats pretty cool. I always love it when that guitar music starts to play, it just lets you know "Prepare to have everything revealed and to be impressed by the main character" kind of message Another good episode, I really had no idea who the killer was so it was quite exciting to learn who did it. __________________

2011-12-02, 18:53	Link #454
DezoPenguin Beta by Accident Author Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maine Age: 52	A day late getting to see this one... This was interesting and fun in a lot of ways, yet simultaneously disturbing. Highlights included the funny bit with the massive line of people pleading for Shinjurou's attention (and how most of their concerns had nothing to do with being a detective), Kazamori's Net dive (I'm obviously showing my age when I note that such scenes give me a feeling of nostalgia), and Rie and Koyama's antics. Spoiler for Ep. 8: The story itself was interesting, yet I feel like I somehow missed something: that essentially Sayo murdered Mitaka because Mitaka was fully aware of "reality" but Sayo was somehow aware of the illusion and the reality simultaneously and wanted to cling to that illusion (which, after all, pretty much wiped out all the pain she suffered IRL). Of course, it could be that she was wholly within the illusion and the desire to accept it was purely subconscious, and that she really did see, under Bettenou's influence, "break her out of prison" as "cut her from the movie," but either way it was "deny her her dreams." I have a bad idea that next week's crime is going to be Hayama's death. Having a "supporting cast good guy" confront a "criminal mastermind" with a firearm in the cliffhanger of Ep. 8 out of 12 is never a good thing for said supporting cast member. As I've said before, Kaishou's MO of information-control and Bettenou's power to make others believe in an artificial reality are far, far too compatible. Any way you look at it, though, series continuity and metaplot have got this series firmly in their grip, in place of the earlier, episodic stories. Weirdly, I'm not sure that this is something I'm looking forward to, as what made Un-Go intriguing and different than the usual fare was the way that it wasn't really a mystery or thriller series, but instead a noir-ish look inside of people. On the other hand, I think that frustrated plenty of people as well, so maybe this turn will be a good thing. I just hope that in delving into Myth Arcs and grand storylines, it doesn't degenerate into just another suspense story. Time will tell, of course, so I'll remain hopeful for now that this shift is a new method of good storytelling rather than sliding into the mundane. That image of the novelist in the next-ep. trailer looked almost like his mouth had been grown shut a la The Matrix. __________________ RadiantBeam's Complete Index to the Shadowverse

2011-12-02, 21:13	Link #455
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	By exposing retroactively the chain of events disclosed in this episode, then it makes the previous one holding sense. Spoiler: In a simple rundown, the guard, who was actually the former Prime Minister's identity, was awared of reality, but Isawa Sayo's mind continue to wander aimlessly in the sphere of illusion created by Benettou. One thing led to another. The guard was recognized by that inmate and devised the way to make sure to help her escape in exchange for her silence about his identity. The point is that when reality clashed with the illusionary world a malfunction of sorts stirred within Sayo's psyche. The movie about the war, likely, was to project relief her pain over the loss of her child in the real war. Forcing her to escape prison would meant for Sayo to break from the security and comfiness provided by the illusion world and returning back to the real world with nothing in store for her, as Sayo felt that way; she did not understand it, but subconsciously she was awared if the film was not properly finished. In response, to protect what probably felt like her last bode or sanctuary she intermingled with the shutter's system to kill the guard, since the guard was the only one using that shutter to pass to the female's block for purpose of leaking information to Sayo about a possible plan for escape.

2011-12-02, 22:31	Link #456
crazypeter Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Yeah, I agree that the detective part might be flat but I do think the meat of the story doesn't focus on the detective's reasoning. I really love the ED and whenever the ED cuts in, I feel that is really 'good in the last drop'!

2011-12-03, 04:42	Link #457
Yu Ominae ARCAM Spriggan agent Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada/Quezon City, Philippines	I do wish to ask if the excerpt shown in the OP is from the novel or something done for the show. Also am not sure how to translate everything as I'm not sure what the 60 years is referring to... Spoiler for Photo: __________________ Even if we were at odds with each other, I still thank you for training me, Instructor Bowman - Yu Ominae, reflecting on Bowman's death after killing him in Phantom Island

2011-12-03, 06:03	Link #458
Quarkboy Translator, Producer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Age: 44	It basically just says this is a work of fiction based of Ango's novels, and that none of the people appearing in it are based off anyone in reality. __________________ Read Light Novels in English at J-Novel Club! Translator, Producer, Japan Media Export Expert Founder and Owner of J-Novel Club Sam Pinansky

2011-12-03, 08:55	Link #459
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Shinjurou in serious trouble. So many illusions... It was just sad watching their illusions. This case was pretty intriguing! __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2011-12-03, 23:25	Link #460
Battler-kun Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	The main problem with this anime is that it has only 11 episodes to fill in all the stuff. And it's trying to put too much stuff into too little space. For me, it's pretentious this way. Trying to pretend something it is not. The conclusion is always blatant. Somehow it is not the main character who is solving the case, the case is rather solving itself. The main character is just a medium of delivering the speech. There seems little connection to how he is involved in the process of solving things. To make it short. It's bad writing, definitely. But the question is whether it is predestined with only 11 episodes to fill in everything. On the other hand the show is yet episodically structured. Pretentious is the only word that springs into my mind. There is hope though that the last episode is gonna smooth things out by unravelling the mysteries.