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Old 2009-12-11, 17:48   Link #20981
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How on Earth do you do that?
What? I just typed it down while waiting for my wassail to boil.

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I didn't expect it to go beyond a single fic either, but it did.

I can think of a few conflicts, but they're only little ones that would be resolved with a few lines of dialouge. There's a larger one, but I can only see it resulting in a Bad End.

It looks like I have to try for a reboot, which, honestly, I have no motivation to consider it right now.

What you wrote is good. So good that it'll be a tough act to follow.
you don't have to "reboot" as in delete all your old fics and junk. Just start a new storyline. Ra knows I've made about 17 different "Fate and Nanoha confess" stories.

You can have that part to continue off of if you want.

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Old 2009-12-11, 18:04   Link #20982
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What kind of larger one? If you discuss it, I'm sure you could find a way to prevent a Bad End.
Basically Vivio's school threatening to suspend/expell her because they think... What's the word for that thing where high school girls prostitute themselves? Anyways, that thing, because rumours and a picture of them circulating around the school.

Then on Yuuno's end, some one from the Bureau noting how others are becoming wary of him because of his relationship with a minor, and that he's at risk of losing his job or getting flat out arrested.

This would be the most logical turn of events, I guess, which would leave them no choice but to break it off.

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you don't have to "reboot" as in delete all your old fics and junk. Just start a new storyline. Ra knows I've made about 17 different "Fate and Nanoha confess" stories.

You can have that part to continue off of if you want.
Well, I wouldn't delete what I posted on FF.net, but I may as well shove aside the stuff I haven't if they're in an evolutionary cul de sac.

I'll see if I can think of something, but it'd probably turn into a repeat of what I've already done. Though in what you wrote, he already turned her down once, so I don't see why he would accept the second time around. I guess this pairing is better suited as a one sided crush rather than a serious relationship.
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:05   Link #20983
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Okay, finally finished polishing up Crisis and posting the revised chapters to ff.net. I was mainly cleaning up, rewording bad sentences and correcting spelling errors that somehow got past me the first time.

And now I present the Chapter 1 rough draft to a sequel of sorts:

Red Jewel Diaries

Chapter 1: Lip Service


This is my attempt at humor, but trying to stay within the bounds of the series (as opposed to my other inane humorous fics which throw any reason out the window). As such, I expect I'll need to rewrite some parts of this to better make things fit.

Spoiler for Red Jewel Diaries, Chapter 1: Lip Service:


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And to Alavon, yes, your chapter is coming up next. Hopefully in time as a Christmas present. :P
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:05   Link #20984
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Basically Vivio's school threatening to suspend/expell her because they think... What's the word for that thing where high school girls prostitute themselves? Anyways, that thing, because rumours and a picture of them circulating around the school.

Then on Yuuno's end, some one from the Bureau noting how others are becoming wary of him because of his relationship with a minor, and that he's at risk of losing his job or getting flat out arrested.

This would be the most logical turn of events, I guess, which would leave them no choice but to break it off.
You mean they think she's a whore?

....

Ah, well. It's a conflict. It might not completely be a Bad End; they'd just have to wait until Vivio is eighteen before they could start dating again, is all.
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:10   Link #20985
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Basically Vivio's school threatening to suspend/expell her because they think... What's the word for that thing where high school girls prostitute themselves? Anyways, that thing, because rumours and a picture of them circulating around the school.

Then on Yuuno's end, some one from the Bureau noting how others are becoming wary of him because of his relationship with a minor, and that he's at risk of losing his job or getting flat out arrested.

This would be the most logical turn of events, I guess, which would leave them no choice but to break it off.



Well, I wouldn't delete what I posted on FF.net, but I may as well shove aside the stuff I haven't if they're in an evolutionary cul de sac.

I'll see if I can think of something, but it'd probably turn into a repeat of what I've already done. Though in what you wrote, he already turned her down once, so I don't see why he would accept the second time around. I guess this pairing is better suited as a one sided crush rather than a serious relationship.
well she was young and "crushing". there's a difference. Plus, what you just said isn't a reason to brush it aside, its a reason TO write it. Why WOULD he accept her after turning her down once before? What's different now? What's changed? what build up do we have? A good long romance story will have multiple parts before the couple gets together. To give an example, my longest fic, Saved by the Bell, the girls were not together until halfway through it, then they dealt with the problems for the remaining half. Give Vino a chance to develop. Yuuno probably could shoot her down a second time, but now the idea would be in his head.

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You mean they think she's a whore?
Whore, tramp, call girl, slut, prostitute, hoe, ect. I don't think being in high school has a different name
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:11   Link #20986
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I think the word he's looking for is 'compensated dating' whatever that translates into in japanese.

But yeah, in practical terms its the same as the others listed.
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:12   Link #20987
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well she was young and "crushing". there's a difference. Plus, what you just said isn't a reason to brush it aside, its a reason TO write it. Why WOULD he accept her after turning her down once before? What's different now? What's changed? what build up do we have? A good long romance story will have multiple parts before the couple gets together. To give an example, my longest fic, Saved by the Bell, the girls were not together until halfway through it, then they dealt with the problems for the remaining half. Give Vino a chance to develop. Yuuno probably could shoot her down a second time, but now the idea would be in his head.
Build up can be the best part of a romance story. The better the build up the more satisfying the couple finally getting together is.

And the whoring out thing is a real issue (in Japan) so it's an interesting idea to play with.
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I think the word he's looking for is 'compensated dating' whatever that translates into in japanese.
So he means prostitute?

I mean, I know it can be called a ton of things, but technically I think prostitute is the word we're talking about.
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:18   Link #20989
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So he means prostitute?

I mean, I know it can be called a ton of things, but technically I think prostitute is the word we're talking about.
And we all know Vivio wouldn't whore herself out, specially to Yuuno. If she did, she'd be passed around the military bas-*shot*

But yeah, that would be a good plot line. Poor Vivio would be talked about a lot. Being famous in a group of men that are away from home for extended periods of time, and dating an older one doesn't really bode well for teenage gossip.
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:19   Link #20990
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So he means prostitute?

I mean, I know it can be called a ton of things, but technically I think prostitute is the word we're talking about.
I think the "compensated dating" implication doesn't always involve sex...while prostitute kind of does .
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:20   Link #20991
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Prostitute? o_0

Maybe I should have waited until later to eat...
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:24   Link #20992
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“I really don’t see the problem, uncle Chrono.” Vivio said. “No one had any issues accepting Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama’s relationship, so why can’t you accept mine? I grew up believing that love transcended things like gender, social status, and age differences. Or can love only transcend a maximum of five years?”
Um, I have a bit of an issue with this. Vivio has a point about love transcending just about anything, but what she has with Yuuno right now isn't love. She may be in love, but he's still trying to work out how he feels. ...And actually, shouldn't that bother the people who care about her more than the age difference? As important as Vivio being with the person she's in love with should be to her family, shouldn't it be just as important to them that she's loved back? Yuuno certainly cares for and loves Vivio, but there's no real evidence of it being love yet.

It could just be me, but it seemed a little like Yuuno is just experimenting with Vivio until he works out his feelings, and that kind of relationship is rarely greeted with enthusiasm. Even without the difference in age, I could see Vivio's family seriously concerned by that.

(Er, that's for 00-Raiser in case anyone couldn't tell... I think I screwed up the quote tags a little)
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:26   Link #20993
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The above is what I meant, way back when, when I said girls would be more concerned about their reputation. Shiny disagreed with me then, if I remember correctly, that Vivio would be concerned about her rep, but anyone in that situation would be worried about how others see them.

EDIT: Well, the above minus Merctrin's response. That doesn't tie in to what I was talking about. =X
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Old 2009-12-11, 18:28   Link #20994
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The above is what I meant, way back when, when I said girls would be more concerned about their reputation. Shiny disagreed with me then, if I remember correctly, that Vivio would be concerned about her rep, but anyone in that situation would be worried about how others see them.
And even if Vivio didn't care, her parents probably would, even if they like Yuuno . I doubt any parent wants their child to get labeled as a....loose woman by others.
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The above is what I meant, way back when, when I said girls would be more concerned about their reputation. Shiny disagreed with me then, if I remember correctly, that Vivio would be concerned about her rep, but anyone in that situation would be worried about how others see them.

EDIT: Well, the above minus Merctrin's response. That doesn't tie in to what I was talking about. =X
I don't think that was me 'cause I don't remember ever saying anything about Vivio's reputation and for that matter of course she'd be worried about her rep. She's a human being, not being worried about your reputation isn't a matter of intelligence or maturity.
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And even if Vivio didn't care, her parents probably would, even if they like Yuuno . I doubt any parent wants their child to get labeled as a....loose woman by others.
That is a good point. Girls who date guys who are way older or younger than them in high school... gain a bit of a reputation if word gets out. And word usually gets out, in high school. No one can keep secrets to save their lives.
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Um, I have a bit of an issue with this. Vivio has a point about love transcending just about anything, but what she has with Yuuno right now isn't love. She may be in love, but he's still trying to work out how he feels. ...And actually, shouldn't that bother the people who care about her more than the age difference? As important as Vivio being with the person she's in love with should be to her family, shouldn't it be just as important to them that she's loved back? Yuuno certainly cares for and loves Vivio, but there's no real evidence of it being love yet.

It could just be me, but it seemed a little like Yuuno is just experimenting with Vivio until he works out his feelings, and that kind of relationship is rarely greeted with enthusiasm. Even without the difference in age, I could see Vivio's family seriously concerned by that.

(Er, that's for 00-Raiser in case anyone couldn't tell... I think I screwed up the quote tags a little)
good point :3

Also, Did I ever give you a welcome to the board? your name isn't really familiar @_@

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And even if Vivio didn't care, her parents probably would, even if they like Yuuno . I doubt any parent wants their child to get labeled as a....loose woman by others.
Yeah. Vivio wouldn't care as in "crying in the corner sobbing about it" but she won't be able to just bluntly ignore people whispering about her, specially her love live.
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well she was young and "crushing". there's a difference. Plus, what you just said isn't a reason to brush it aside, its a reason TO write it. Why WOULD he accept her after turning her down once before? What's different now? What's changed? what build up do we have? A good long romance story will have multiple parts before the couple gets together. To give an example, my longest fic, Saved by the Bell, the girls were not together until halfway through it, then they dealt with the problems for the remaining half. Give Vino a chance to develop. Yuuno probably could shoot her down a second time, but now the idea would be in his head.
The problem is I only had one idea for them to get together to begin with. If asked to think up another way for them to do so, I can only draw a blank. I can never willingly think up ideas, all I can do is sit around and wait for them to happen. All I can do right now is give up temporarily, do other things and hope that somewhere along the line, something with spark inspiration (can't imagine what that something would be, though, seeing as how the only other Vivio/Yuuno material I've seen were a few doujinshi pages).

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I think the word he's looking for is 'compensated dating' whatever that translates into in japanese.

But yeah, in practical terms its the same as the others listed.
Yeah, that's what I meant, I just couldn't think of the japanese name for it. Basically school girls hang out in red light districts where they get picked up by older men who pay them to escort them. It's kinda what Nao from My HiME does, only minus the robbery via giant spider part.
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I don't think that was me 'cause I don't remember ever saying anything about Vivio's reputation and for that matter of course she'd be worried about her rep. She's a human being, not being worried about your reputation isn't a matter of intelligence or maturity.
It was back during the discussion about potential high school girl issues that could be used as conflict in 00-Raiser's fic. I remember it was you because you were the only one to respond to it. >___> I'll go back and see if I can find the post.
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Um, I have a bit of an issue with this. Vivio has a point about love transcending just about anything, but what she has with Yuuno right now isn't love. She may be in love, but he's still trying to work out how he feels. ...And actually, shouldn't that bother the people who care about her more than the age difference? As important as Vivio being with the person she's in love with should be to her family, shouldn't it be just as important to them that she's loved back? Yuuno certainly cares for and loves Vivio, but there's no real evidence of it being love yet.

It could just be me, but it seemed a little like Yuuno is just experimenting with Vivio until he works out his feelings, and that kind of relationship is rarely greeted with enthusiasm. Even without the difference in age, I could see Vivio's family seriously concerned by that.

(Er, that's for 00-Raiser in case anyone couldn't tell... I think I screwed up the quote tags a little)
Good point.
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