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Old 2018-05-20, 19:47   Link #3161
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no point in repeating what has been said already, but i'm dying to know more about Nana. i definitely think she'll play a big role in the next two eps.
Oh well, it's pretty obvious that Nana and Hachi will help the children escape.
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Old 2018-05-21, 00:17   Link #3162
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I only started watching this show yesterday and I've already watched up to episode 10. I'm honestly surprised I like this show so much. No, correction, I love this show. Pretty shocking since I didn't think I'd like it but friends pestered me into watching it. Also, I love how I have no idea where this story is going. That puts a lot of pressure on the big reveals but to me there hasn't been a bad episode yet. I am watching the English dubs though and thats coming out a little slower than the subs but the voice work is really well done.

Oh and I NEED to get the OST for this show. All the songs are amazing.

Someone said this show was star diver meets eva. Which sounds nuts but watching the show I can see where it comes form.
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Old 2018-05-21, 16:37   Link #3163
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Well, I'm caught up with the English dub (up to ep 15) and WOW, so much to talk about and I missed it all. At least I'll see the end more or less with everyone else.

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I'm surprised no one made this connection already (correct me if I'm mistaken, this thread is too big lol) but 002 reminds me of another certain dual horned girl that I love:



A "monster" girl experimented on to become a weapon and her struggle between her nihilist monster side and her more "human" side that yearned to rekindle a love from childhood. The dissonance of two opposite sides to the character, a sweet carefree girl and callous violent monster. Its not an exact parallel between 002 and Lucy, but 002 story arc still reminded me of Elfen Lied. Its like deja vu, I just knew I've seen this story before. lol
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Ep14:

I'm shocked by all the hate directed at poor Ichigo, the girl did nothing wrong. She can't read minds, she doesn't know the history between 002 and Hiro. She can only go by 002's actions and that girl just tried to kill/turn into a monster Hiro. It makes perfect sense to want to keep the two separate. Hiro is suicidally addicted to piloting and to 002. He'd happy throw away his life for one last ride. Honestly, Ichigo should have slap the heck out of him rather than kiss. But we know Ichigo is easy overcome by her emotions for Hiro (which we've seen several times from her) so the kiss was completely in character for her.

Ep 15: WOW. Just wow. So much happened. See, Ichigo wasn't some evil thot and proof of that comes the very next episode. Sigh, this fanbase. *shakes head. Ichigo finally sees whats on Hiros mind. Thats theres just room for one girl in his heart and its not her. Its shown she also worries about 002 but was being too proud/stubborn to admit it. Gorro is a true bro now and forever. The hero and heroine reunite and the power of love wins the day!


Gosh, I love this show. Every little detail in the show is relveant because they often hide hints of future events. I'm going to have to binge-watch this show again once its over. ITS SOOO GOOD. Maybe this is just the ultimate kryptonite for me? Mecha + teen drama? Pure crack. Kind of like Eureka Seven in that regard. I'm a sucker for these kinds of animes.
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Old 2018-05-21, 18:22   Link #3164
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I recall the comparison with Lucy being made, but not who made it.

Mecha + teen drama seems to be a combination that works with a lot of people, not just you. If you listed the anime series that generated the highest amount of discussion these past ten years, I'm pretty sure you'd find quite a few series with these elements near the top. The fact it's an anime original work and not an adaptation is probably an important factor too.
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Old Yesterday, 06:45   Link #3165
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I can't help but question Hiro in this episode. It's very strange that he spurred on Mitsuru and Koko to have a marriage, but didn't suggest to hold a double marriage. Then there's that he's hid his horns too. I find his reactions to the crackdown weird as well. Didn't he know what was going to happen? He looks so surprised to all of this.
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Old Yesterday, 07:33   Link #3166
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I can't help but question Hiro in this episode. It's very strange that he spurred on Mitsuru and Koko to have a marriage, but didn't suggest to hold a double marriage. Then there's that he's hid his horns too. I find his reactions to the crackdown weird as well. Didn't he know what was going to happen? He looks so surprised to all of this.
Hiro used mitsuru and kokoro to see if the adults and papa were the same as when he tried to run away with 02, as the director said in the newtype interview, "hiro is not a normal protagonist".. let me see if i can get the direct quotes.
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Old Yesterday, 08:43   Link #3167
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Aw, that's sad. But looks like they weren't able to change all memories and feelings. Nana as well still recalls the grief and rage over losing her loved one in the war even after all those years. Hachi probably loved her back then but forgot about it due the re-indoctrination though he still seems to care about her and the kids in some way.

But boy, Kokoro was so straight-foward with Mitsuru and when it came down she could count on him to lean on her and they probably did much more leaning on in bed. Kids those days, am I right? XD

I liked how the Klaxosaurus princess called the ambassadors "Human wanna-be's". They abandoned so much of their humanity and now they want to get rid of their bodies too.

Also the fever for Goro and Ikuno? Man, please don't tell me they just gonna let them drop dead due the child fever, that would suck...
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Old Yesterday, 17:02   Link #3169
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@EroKing thanks for filling this thread will awesome fanart. I got my new avatar from one of your posts. Wow, I haven't changed avatars since Madoka Magica. Thats about 7 years ago. You'll always be in my heart, Mami. Well. As much as a fictional girl can be. lol

So I couldn't help myself and caught up with the anime with subs. The more I watch this show the more I realize that despite all the crazy anime tropes involved, in the background is a very dark dystopian future. A somewhat subtle reflection of what its liked to live under a totalitarian regime. The kids in this show live in a futuristic north korea. Watching these kids is like watching interviews from escapees from north korea. Its disturbing how thoroughly their society is brainwashed. Literally, even their thoughts and memories are policed, rewritten and controlled. Its like watching a North Korean family that thinks this is just how life is, alls right in the world. Really puts a chill down your spine. Its even worst too since these are kids and the audience knows more about whats going on, even through guessing, than the kids.

Nine alpha's speech about how humanity had been perfected by removing useless stuff like gender and emotion was especially disturbing. Without any of that, are we really human anymore? Now we know APE's goal is pretty standard since Eva. Get rid of their bodies and ascend to some higher state of being. But without our biology, which is where our gender and emotions come from, are we really human anymore? As Ikuno pointed out, as terrible as unrequited love can be, stripping yourself of gender or painful emotions would eliminate what makes you who you are. Suffering (and overcoming it) is a natural part of being a human. Are we really human anymore without suffering? Wouldn't some mythical utopia that removes all suffering also strip us of our humanity?

Furthermore, its quite horrid that APE denys humans the ability to reproduce. Talk about violating the most basic human right anyone has. The scene with Kokoro crying in Mitsuru arms, asking why aren't they allowed to have children was pretty heartbreaking.

Some great character moments as well. Ichigo consoling Ikuno, recognizing her own suffering in her teammate. They may never be lovers but that must be a big weight off Ikuno shoulders. Learning to get over over a hopeless crush is part of growing up. Futoshi wanting to be priest for the wedding. He might not be quite over his crush but he wanted to give his blessing the couple regardless. That was quite sweet. Mitsuru finally being able to drop his tough guy act, become friends with Hiro again and find love only to have his memories altered is just cruel emotional roller coaster. damn this show. Death Flags with signs the childern are aging. Miku's hair gaining a bit of grey. Oh god. Somebody tell me this anime isn't headed for a Tomino ending? I'm going to both heartbroken and pissed off if it does. Whether I can accept it depends on how well written it is but for theres still hope for a happy ending.

Finally Zero Two, wow. Watch this show has shown so many different aspects of this girl. She really does steal the show. The early episodes show her prideful, distant, filled with confidence that bleed into arrogant, and a disdain for human life. Mid way through the show shes let into squad 13 and starts to open up some. But she still doesn't understand what it means to socialize with humans. She butts heads with squad 13 as stands part with Hiro for the most part. She then starts to change into more a monster which changes her mood deeply. She becomes cold and distant even to Hiro. She still doesn't quite trust him to tell him how she feels and what she fears. This is all resolved quite neatly with episode 15.

Now, we see an entirely different side of Zero Two, like shes a different girl entirely. She cheerful, playful, gets along with and makes friends with the other girls in the squad. Its like she finally is a human girl. She finally able to sit down with Hiro and tell him what shes wanted to say to him back when she was a little demon girl that couldn't speak. Indecently, this is also a death flag. lol

God, how many death flags does this show go through?

Edit: Oh yeah, Nana and Hachi got some development at last. As many guessed, both of them were former pilots that went through re-indoctrination. What interesting is that while Hachi claims to have no emotion, he still feels an urge to comfort the childern and yet knows he can't. Or not as well as Nana could. It was quite sad to see Nana cureled up in her pirision cell. I hope she gets out. This whole reveal was clearly meant to parrarel with what happens with Kokoro and Mitsuru.

Anyway, in short, I think this show has a lot more depth than most people give it credit for.
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Old Yesterday, 18:27   Link #3170
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Nine alpha's speech about how humanity had been perfected by removing useless stuff like gender and emotion was especially disturbing. Without any of that, are we really human anymore? Now we know APE's goal is pretty standard since Eva. Get rid of their bodies and ascend to some higher state of being. But without our biology, which is where our gender and emotions come from, are we really human anymore? As Ikuno pointed out, as terrible as unrequited love can be, stripping yourself of gender or painful emotions would eliminate what makes you who you are. Suffering (and overcoming it) is a natural part of being a human. Are we really human anymore without suffering? Wouldn't some mythical utopia that removes all suffering also strip us of our humanity?
Honestly, for once I'd like to see a story that answers: yeah, why not, we probably would. I mean, we would be different, but then again, so we are now very different from our ancestors who lived in caves. It's pretty cliché to have the villains be the ones who pursue some objective of this sort, and of course do so without any scruple. APE are villains, but that's because they go about doing what they want in horrible ways. If there was a group of humans who freely chose to try and transcend their humanity transforming into some immaterial kind of creature without harming anyone else, they'd still be humans. You could have a story where the roles are flipped, in fact, and the "they're not even human any more!" crowd is the one that oppresses and kills the others, exactly because of this dehumanisation of those who are different.
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Old Yesterday, 19:25   Link #3171
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Actually, we are not really much different from our ancestors. Not even cave men. The average intelligence of humanity hasn't change since our cave man days. Our written knowledge is whats expanded. But as far as human emotions go, reasons for violence and work and why we cooperate with each other haven't changed at all. In evolutionary terms, the time between our cave men days and modern day is little more than a blink of the eye.

It also ignores the point I was making. Without hardship and the growth and change that inspires in our personalities would we be the same person? Would we even be human in a world without hardship? I think the show is giving us an answer and thats an definitive no. Now whether you agree with that or not, thats a different matter.
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