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BBC Article: Japan birthrate downfall due to otaku
Article link is included in the headline. Picture is included in article. I wasn't sure if hyper-linking to BBC would violate the TOS and I was also unsure if re-uploading to imgur would violate the imgur TOS.
Also, sorry if this article should have gone in the general chat or the music forums. I mostly want to discuss the lack of appreciation that the article has for music technology, but, more generally, it's an article about anime and manga culture. So I was genuinely unsure where to post this. The Japanese men who prefer virtual girlfriends to sex Quote:
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2013-10-24, 15:46 | Link #2 |
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I'm not even sure they aimed specifically at Miku, considering it is your usual figure advertisment poster at Akiba. They most likely just roamed around and took pictures.
Anyway, the article can't be any more inaccurate, considering they picked the hikkikomori population as the evidence of Japan birthrate downfall and all, despite it is a generalized issue, not limited to hardcore otaku anyway. I'm even surprised they still find people hanging around with Love Plus, considering how its popularity plummeted hard after the 3DS fiasco.
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But yes, of course there's causes for the declining birth rate beyond just this alone.
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I think the biggest issue I have with this article is its title and the introduction (especially "the" Japanese men, giving a clear generalization in there). It really presents some hikki as the bonified example of Japan's numbe 1 social issue. It is funny that the BBC manage to fail so hard into a display of "oh look, Japan fails because of 2D lovers" while the Guardian did their homework in a much more convincing way. The latter article has lots of actual insights and search done. And while it does mention a bit anime/virtual stuff, it is just a very small piece of that puzzle. BBC timing can't be any more coincidental if you ask me.
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It's really a shame that, if your only source of knowledge was this article, you would assume that Miku was simply an anime character and not an ingenious, revolutionary, music technology.
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2013-10-24, 17:30 | Link #8 | |
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Think about it: doesn't "I only like 2D girls" often come across as self indulgent cheerleading and rejection of the mainstream by otaku? Do virtual girlfriends reduce sex drive, or merely provide an outlet for it? I got into anime late enough (first year university) that I have a pretty good memory of life before anime. Anime has not lowered by sex drive. If anything, watching the sort of romance titles that are often associated with otaku has increased it by a noticeable amount. To me, the kind of stuff noted in the BBC article are clearly symptoms, not causes.
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2013-10-24, 17:53 | Link #10 |
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A Britain newspaper writing about Japan. How typical!
Anyway, that's a forgeiner's look, not a Japanese look for sure. Decilining birth rate is a common problem with developed countries. As the price to grow a child continue getting higher, combine with the fast life and consuming culture, having a child was simply skipped by the youth. Not to mention you guys know well about Tokyo and Akihabara district. There is a reason it was named "The City of Lust". A continuos exposure to these would provoce a man's instinct even more. If BBC could change the title into something like "The Loneliness caused by Digital", it would be much more appropriate. And for the record, only the richest but also scum in Vietnam go to Club. Thanks you, but we don't need the bad American influenced anymore! |
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That's the very first time I ever heard Tokyo nicknamed like that. Basis of this?
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Japanese society is the core issue considering the mindset and various impairing points of raising a child there. Having some of them indulging themselves with virtual stuff is a one of the few consequence of it. A byproduct in short, similar to other non otaku "herbivore" salarymen and the likes. It is arguably not a major cause of such trend.
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2013-10-24, 19:17 | Link #13 |
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You know, my main issue with the article is its focus on MEN. Why should the decline birthrate be blamed on guys, when it takes 2 people? Not that I am saying the women are "at fault" as such, my point is that both genders have decided at the same time that having children is too difficult and the child would have a hard life even if he/she was born.
I don't see Japanese women complaining about being rejected by men, so clearly it isn't just the men being out of the game. I believe all this is due to the collapse of the social contract and lack of opportunities, not the fault of either men or women, I just think the news article overstep its bounds claiming the men are the ones at fault.
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I am deeply suspicious of any theory that anime, manga, etc. produce way more people disinterested in dating than other hobbies because people find virtual girlfriends oh so satisfying. Plus, there's other explanations for Japan's predicament. Think about Watamote for a second. Think about Tomoko's attitudes towards Yuu. I hate to say it, but I believe Tomoko's attitudes are a fairly accurate representation of how quite a few otaku - and not just bishoujo anime fans and the like - see most women. Such an attitude isn't driven by virtual girlfriends. It's driven by wanting to externalize blame for your social failings and a whole lot of internet cheerleading by like minded people. Seriously, the amount of misogyny geeks generate across the board - and not just in the anime fandom - is pretty incredible sometimes. And I say that as a proud geek myself. In Japan, you also have the fact that being single looking more appealing to many people, even non-otaku, for various reasons outlined in the Guardian article. Hell, it sounds to me like it's even becoming fashionable in some circles, both male and female. My experience is that virtual girlfriends (or the closest experiences I have) aren't enough to make you not want a real girlfriend. On the flip side, we have the aforementioned attitudes among Japanese men and women, otaku or otherwise. Hence I think the highlighted attitudes are much, much more important, and that a focus on virtual girlfriends is a pitfall to be avoided. Quote:
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And also because there is a suspiciously lacking of cases of women unable to find willing men. There is a lack of eligible men as far as being able to support a full time housewife, but I hear nothing about women saying all the men are missing.
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Truth is...Japanese economy is in the toilet. Families can barely afford to feed their kids in many parts of Tokyo. Japanese corporate culture looks like crap to most young people today and you probably aren't gonna get hired anyway. Welcome to the Lost Decade...and we really don't have a way to get out of it. In a situation like this...why bother having kids?
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So, anyone agree that this is crap?
Oh, and should I mention that the Rate of Suicide for Man with Family and Stable Employed Job always high in Japan. Even worse, a lot of them suffer from overwhelming stress and have to retire early. |
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