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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 19 | 13.87% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 28 | 20.44% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 26 | 18.98% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 24 | 17.52% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 19 | 13.87% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 5 | 3.65% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 2.92% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 2.19% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 2.92% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 3.65% | |
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2007-11-30, 10:28 | Link #341 | |||
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Whether they have communications at the time of the terrorist strikes is completely irrelevant here, as long as they have some higher-ups giving orders and doing the planning stuff, then taking those higher-ups out will cripple the network. And in this episode there's no hint that they find out those HQs because of some communications during the terrorist strike. It looks to me that they just captured a member, find out what organization he belongs to, and then get out the data about the organization. It's like when US found out 911 was by Al Qaeda, they didn't track out the Al Qaeda HQs by any communications during the terrorist attack, they just knew main Al Qaeda bases were in Afghanistan and went beat the hell out of it. The thing is that they have connections, have had communications, that made the attacks possible, which makes it a centralized system. The point is, as long as the terrorist group have some centralized network and some higher-ups, it can be crippled by removing such heads. And if they really don't have such a centralized system, then they won't be anything to CB. Quote:
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It seems more likely that Celestial Being went after them because they posed it as a direct challenge. In fact, this same reasoning goes for the attack on Moralia as well.
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2007-11-30, 13:42 | Link #343 | ||||
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2007-11-30, 17:04 | Link #345 |
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mm, just to clarify.
When I mentioned centralization in the first post, I was speaking geographically. As in, all the personel were gathered tightly in specific bases, in such a way that if CB took out the bases, the terrorists would be crippled. The thing with terrorism is, it involves infiltration. Getting into the countries, cities, buildings you want to blow up. Necessarily, you would have the bombs and stuff with you in those cities etc. So if that's the case, then there should still be a ton of people around the world who have the means and probably the motivation to blow up citizens in the name of 'against CB'. But apparently, there aren't? I'd also like to argue against the 'coordinated and well-planned out' point. The only coordinated attacks were the first 7, mentioned at the end of episode 7. In episode 8, both Shanghai and Ireland were attacked, seemingly independantly. The only coordination required was for the first attacks, and to achieve that all the various cells would have to do in terms of communicating with each other was agree on a time. Thus, I don't think there was sufficient evidence to claim that the terrorist network had to be highly centralized. |
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2007-11-30, 20:16 | Link #348 | |
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Within the context of the show it seems their goal was some kind of reverse-psychology media manipulation. They hoped to discredit CB in the eyes of the media/public by showing that CB wouldn't respond to their demands or take action against them, not an unreasonable assumption given CB has demonstrated no independent intelligence gathering capabilities, they're entirely dependent on the superpowers doing the legwork for them. (and in a realistic scenario no superpower would want to grant CB any kind of legitimacy by giviing them intel on the terrorists). Realistically that would make no real sense as so far the worlds governments/elites already hate CB, and that would be reflected by the mainstream media, but the GundamADverse seems to pander considerably less to its target audience than our own, so I suppose in the context of the show it makes sense. Realism aside, I still really liked the terrorism angle as it put CB into a postition they're not equipped to fight, I'd just hoped they'd have taken a more subtle direction with the outcome. It would have been nice to see CB come up with some clever solution to achieve victory in an unfamiliar arena rather than just have victory handed to them on a silver platter. I'm also hoping that it does turn out there was some ulterior motive behind the bombings say, PMC contracting them out to lure CBs intelligence network into the open. As it is CBs enemies have been remarkably willing to do nothing other than fight the all-powerful superweapons head on rather than trying to find out who's actually supplying them with the material they need to build the damn things and the information they need to deploy them effectively. Of course judging by the previews it seems like the HRL are going to locate CB eventually so maybe it's just all happening off screen. |
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2007-11-30, 20:44 | Link #349 |
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It just requires AEU intelligence to have sold them their Mobile Suits.
Same as the terrorists that attacked the HRL Orbital Tower had AEU MS's. Since they started bombing for reasons the AEU didn't want them to or wanted CB to think they were against they became expendable. Ask Admiral Poindexter about how twisted these things can get. No skin off the AEU's nose if some ecoterrorist patsies get whacked and theres always the possibility they might down a Gundam by luck or one of the Meisters might get careless and let the AEU who know where they are hitting track them back to base. Assuming the AEU is telling the truth and these are the terrorists in question. And that some more realistically organised group doesn't take up this as an action plan. Whacking Grerry Adams and the rest of the Army council wouldn't have stopped an IRA bombing campaign that was under way, All it would have done is kill everyone who could call off the active service units. |
2007-11-30, 20:58 | Link #350 | ||
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Anyway, the other thing with terrorist groups, is that they usually have a universal cause, something they all believe in. They aren't going to just let one guy convince all of them what to do, and if they do let one guy do that, they certainly aren't to give up on following through with it just because he died. And I wonder about any terrorist organization that would do something completely unrelated to their ideals just because some country that wants them to is giving them 'funds'. Terrorism is dangerous, you know. You do it because you believe in something enough to risk your life, not to get rich (the little guys anyway. I'd think the same would be true for the higher ups, but feel free to refute me on that point.). Geographically centralized means that they have three major bases where everybody's at. Decentralized would be guys livin' a double life in the cities, y'know? Don't meet up in groups larger than 5 and keep to yourself 'til the orders come. Generally the best way to avoid being caught, you know. Can't really terrorize anybody from jail. Why was everybody at the bases? Particularly the leaders. Quote:
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2007-12-01, 00:02 | Link #351 | |||
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While a bunch of episodes devoted to hunting down the terrorists would have been great, I didn't have much faith that it would have played out that way for a couple of reasons. First, it doesn't suit a Gundam show very much since there'd be nothing for the Gundam Meisters to do, and no reason to show off the Gundams. Next, it would be a horrible change of pace for the show, and finally, it would have kept the creators from getting to the actual plot for even longer. I always thought that the show would just devote an episode or two to deal with them. Quote:
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The war has already started. or maybe the terrorist organization blowing things up is just for fireworks? Seriously, the war between the CB and all violent reactions that lead to violence, the 3 power blocs just forcing them to actually declare themselves out in the open in a way that they could be trapped by their own personal vendetta against war, and more...I could be thinking too deeply into this, but I guess they're trying to put CB into a stalemate wherein they would be trapped in whatever they're doing and they can't do anything else but to surrender themselves in.
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And this is the 24th century, they could probably have lots of ways wherein they could have a terrorist organization while staying undercover. And how could you even ascertain that terrorists in 2307 could be handled very easily? RX 78 2.0 does not count. Quote:
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CB is only trying to stop violence with violence, and because of this belief, the 3 factions use them in their bloody causes, making them terrorists. Now who's the real terrorist here? Quote:
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And I have explained many times why I think the said global environmentalist group can't possibly to be ideologically opposed to CB, and why some new small terrorist group that has "no CB" as their ideology would likely not bother CB at all, and would not be rational neither. Again you'd be surprised how powerful money can be, especially if that "little cash" can be billions of dollars that may greatly help the terrorist organization further their own goal. The thing that's completely irrational so far in the show is the existence of CB (which I hope later on they can explain it better, especially that computer stuff and things), not the terrorist group. The whole situation seems completely unlikely because CB is completely unlikely. We don't have an organization like CB that may require certain nations to try sponsoring some terrorist group against it. In real world when some nations sponsor terrorist groups, they usually have the common goals, however since this can't be the case with CB, so we end up in a strange situation that as long as the money flows, the terrorists do the attacks, but when it stops, they have no motivation to do any more attacks. That's why I said CB would not face against some terrorist groups (or parts of some terrorist groups) that don't have a centralized system. Last edited by dreamless; 2007-12-01 at 01:39. |
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2007-12-01, 02:06 | Link #356 | |||
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It's really hard to make a real world parallel here because we can't really imagine what if (a big IF) an organization pops up in real world that basically makes US to have more than 500 billions of military budget on their hands but they can't spend it as they fear the attacks from the said organization, maybe some guy in CIA will decide to give a tiny bit of the 500 billion bucks to Al Qaeda and try to work out something in hope to undermine that almighty organization, and Taliban will be the one selling out the info on Al Qaeda, or some fiasco like that Last edited by dreamless; 2007-12-01 at 02:48. |
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2007-12-01, 10:19 | Link #359 | |||
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nah you need to talk within the context. It's clearly shown that MS are common for terrorists and guerilla groups. so unless you think it's common for real world terrorists and guerilla groups to have tanks and fighters, the MS in Gundam 00 universe is more like gunboats instead of tanks and fighters.
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2007-12-01, 17:32 | Link #360 |
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Guys, can't we just agree the terrorists acted like morrons so the CB could look good blowing them up?
Sure, the terrorists need some sort of command structure, but it's a lot more likely to be a basement somewhere or the tent of a friendly tribal leader. The September 11 attack was coordinated from an appartment in Germany. The whole point of being a terrorist is not having a huge infrastructure. And you can be damn sure the leaders won't be anywhere near instalations you can blow up with an air strike without killing lots of civilians. We're puitting a lot more thought into it than the writer ever will, let's just take it for what it is. A super robot show aimed at teens who know nothing about real world politics. |
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