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View Poll Results: Kimi ga Nozomu Eien ~Next Season~ - episode 1 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 10 | 14.71% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 10 | 14.71% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 22.06% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 14.71% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 13 | 19.12% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.47% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.47% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.47% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.47% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 8.82% | |
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2007-12-27, 12:45 | Link #61 |
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Meh, call me weird, but some of the best "good stories" I've seen depends on the analysis/review of a "third party." That's because I really admire a director's ability to produce different interpretations and perspectives as well as good arguments about an anime.
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2007-12-27, 13:49 | Link #62 |
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Well, except for the fact that the marketing only works because they're giving at least a certain portion of the fanbase what they want. They're certainly trying to sell copies of the OVA as well. That's why the story is coherent and consistent with the alternate path they're showing -- game players will recognize the scenario, and the rest of us will be able to figure it out as they continue to explore it.
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2007-12-27, 17:12 | Link #63 | ||
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You fail to realize that while KimiNozo is a very popular series globally, their main market is still those who have purchased the namesake game, the Special Fan Disc, and almost everything else related to KimiNozo, which is still almost entirely in Japan. After all, this is to coincide with their release of the KimiNozo LE set they are releasing.
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2007-12-28, 01:52 | Link #64 |
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there was no need to bring the finnacial justification to the third party argument, it s implicite and obvious that now anime make more money out of the goodies based on it (CD, action-models, gashapon (sp?)). but the fact remains that kgne TV could be watched and understood perfectly without being left clueless because you hadnt played the game.
the story telling of this ova is purely based on the postulat that everybody played the game and already know everything there is know about the show this is where the show fails hard. there is no mention of any timeline, no background on the characters or of anything that happened in the tv show. i realize that all of this argument is out of topic and has nothing to do with kgne ova but rather with way to writte a proper script so let s just get back to the ova discusion and not argue about how a story should be written. |
2007-12-28, 02:47 | Link #65 | |
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OVAs are direct-to-video releases, or on the rare cases, PPV...either way, the ones whom are getting this will already be on pretty intimate terms with the story overall. The script is written almost to a T in perfection in terms of relation to Haruka's route in the game (albeit slightly modified for context). The story also does well enough to create a flashback system to which catches people up on the events prior to Haruka's dismissal from the Hospital. It's not meant as a continuation to the original story, just an alternate telling of the events AFTER Haruka got released from the Hospital, that is where people seem to not understand. I still do not see such "epic failure" as you describe. Of course, I'm also one of those KimiNozo fans that has everything related to KimiNozo sitting on the shelf next to my computer.
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2007-12-28, 13:02 | Link #66 |
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I certainly would NOT recommend watching this OVA without first having seen at the very least the original anime series, to give you an idea about the characters and their backstories. Doing some research on the game and various paths involved is also a good idea if you want to get something of an idea as to how the story could have ended up the way it has in this OVA, and how the original anime series interpreted it in a different way. I wouldn't recommend playing the game straight off the bat, as it's a real dog(suit) to set up and get running, and you have to have either a rudimentary understanding of Japanese or access to translation software and a text hooker. Even then, it's a far from ideal solution and you'll still need something of an idea of the trajectory of the story to get the most out of it (and a strong stomach if you're embarassed by the hentai, as I am - having seen the series first, the potential to watch the characters disrobing and making the beast with two backs horrified me!).
Even then, I would still recommend viewing Akane Maniax as that's a very, very nice continuation of the original anime storyline - Akane Maniax was the first OVA companion piece to Kiminozo, released to coincide with the (free?) release of the game of the same name, based around Akane. Some people find the change in tone and shift in focus a little disorientating, but I think it's really inventive and the contrast only serves to bring out some of the more subtle nuances in the original story (like Akane's attraction to Taka, for example - which I think could have some part to play in this current OVA). If this is your first introduction to the KGNE universe, you're going in absolutely blind. This is a companion piece for enthusiasts, not beginners. Hopefully by the time you've caught up to where you need to be to enjoy it, you'll love this series (KGNE) as much as the rest of us do... Case in point, in this OVA, go back and watch the scene with Haruka and Taka in the cinema and pay careful attention to what the actors are saying on the screen and how it influences Haruka's decision later on... It may seem just like an illustration of how much Taka is overworking himself, but listen carefully. Spoiler:
About the ordering of the plot, flashback sequences etc. This is KGNE standard. KGNE should only be digested as a whole. It is a very complete piece, that only improves with repeated viewing. The missing pieces will be filled and the circumstances surrounding each character will be expanded upon. The juxtaposition of past and present/youth and experience are integral to how the stories are told in KGNE. Try not to judge it too harshly on your first viewing. |
2007-12-29, 01:12 | Link #67 | |
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2007-12-29, 18:19 | Link #68 | |
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I can really relate to Takayuki, I've been in a simular situation. Not really in the mood to give a deeper explaination, but i will say, unlike Haruka, my feelings were accepted. Yes there was guilt from her at first, but eventually she began to understand. What I think Haruka is not understanding is, Takayuki is "choosing" to live his life that way, he wants to be with her, she is now more important than whatever his dreams were in the past. Dreams change, It's how people are. Btw, to all those complaining that this is not about Mitsuki, I just want to ask, but first let me mention, I'm a Haruka fan. Mitsuki got her ending, why cant we (Haruka fans) get ours? Sure I was sad that Takayuki chose Mitsuki in the TV series, but I didn't complain about it, I accepted it for what it was, I don't see what the big deal is. Share the love, you know what I mean. |
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2007-12-29, 19:16 | Link #69 |
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Why Haruka just can't forgive Takayuki for being with Mitsuki? I have some mixed feelings about this OVA and i have a bad feeling that i will get depressed watching OVA's as i was when i watched the whole serie...
What is Haruka thinking, saying goodbye to Takayuki? she has been depressed since she got out of the hospital... and Takayuki just doesn't seemed to me that he truly loves her, but he is doing this because Mitsuki left 5/10
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2007-12-29, 19:21 | Link #70 | |
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The compliants are because it is a epilogue not a ending. We didn't get to see how the Haruka ending play out, just the aftermath. That is why there is so much complaining.
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2007-12-30, 12:29 | Link #71 |
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I am fine about haruka getting a happy end but the execution was poor...I usually don't notice forced drama but this just literally slaps you across the face. If something was bothering her she should have talked with him, yet she broke up just like that - DRAMAAA!!
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2007-12-30, 16:42 | Link #72 |
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I really did thought that Perishthethought had some good analysis (which is, btw, +1), but the truth is I'm way too satisfied with Mitsuki's ending to really think much into this OVA. This episode is probably really good, but I'm just not willing to pay much attention to it. It's bias that's not going to go away after all, since I'm going to be in denial seeing a different ending to my favorite anime.
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2007-12-31, 01:02 | Link #73 | |
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Perishthethought already said most of what I wanted to about this episode, so I'm just going to touch on a couple of points. I like Mitsuki quite a bit more than I do Haruka, but I still like the way this OVA was framed. Moreover, the writing and direction are every bit as good as they were back when the made the original. I also think that it's important to keep in mind that all the events from Kiminozo are the same up to the point when Haruka woke up. After that point, Next Season is estabilshing an entirely different sequence of events.
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2007-12-31, 01:42 | Link #74 |
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I guess I am in a mixed boat on this one... KGNE was one among the first few anime I watched after taking a fairly significant break from anime.... and it truly helped me get back in to anime as it provided a very plausable and realistic love story ... girl-a likes guy, but cant tell guy, girl-a gets girl-b to talk to guy, guy falls for girl-b (and girl-b also falls for guy, but resigns herself to be faithful to girl-a) ... girl-b introducses girl-a to guy, guy agrees to go out with girl-a to appease girl-b since girl-b isn't quite showing her love to the guy... And of course in the anime guy ultimently goes with his first connection of girl-b.
Now truly I haven't played the game.. I'd love to.. but even with a number of years of study, I'm still finding visual novels (especally unspoken ones ... not sure if KGNE is or is not) very painful and frustrating, as much as I like the genre.... but anyhow... in my mind the alternate that comes to where we are now is here.... actually it is even in the anime... When the accident occurs, Taka feels that horrible pain of "it's my fault"... and "I should have been more there for her" ... etc... in the anime we see that from his complete loss of reality and purpose ... But yes, it is what happens over the next years ... in the anime we know that Mitsuki (no doubt my favorite) with her love for him does everything she can to lift him up and help him through this pain... and combined with Taka's original feelings for Mitsuki, that conclusion makes sense (although I hate that Haruka then casts both them out of her life, although I know why). Obviously something different happened in those three years... from what I've seen it seems that Akane may have been the bridging link... hard to say though. I don't know, I do want to know the difference .. and how his heart changed over... but I can't be mad at the writers for it... they are expecting the audience to know the game... all I can hope is there might be a few flash backs to explain how we got here. All that being said... I'm still rooting for Mitsuki for the win... I do want to know more of the this post-hospital Haruka... and I hope somehow she will ultimently free Taka to Mitsuki in a way that all fo them stay friends... but maybe I am being too hopeful. In the end, I think it was a well done episode. I like the art, and I liked the way it progressed... I mostly say that because I have played enough games of this sort to know how drastic the endings can be... so I went in not expecting it to be anything like how my mind would have conceived... and being that open I didn't have a real problem with it... all that it really means is I'll finally have to play the game Can't wait for the next episode. Sorry for my useless rambling. |
2008-01-06, 19:05 | Link #75 |
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I think it is hard to judge just from the 1st episode. There will be four total episodes if I am right. Maybe the past events will be explained later in this series. But for now, I am rather confused about what is going on (haven't played the game... well...). If this OVA is just intended for those veteran game players, I'd say it might not be for most of us here...
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2008-01-06, 20:51 | Link #76 | |
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2008-01-09, 05:32 | Link #78 |
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I really disliked KgNE as a whole. I viewed the two main characters Mitsuki and Takayuki as incredible assholes. One of them sabotages the relationship of her best friend and the other allows it to happen.
As the series progressed, the ending in itself where Mitsuki and Takayuki get together is great. The girl destroys everything that she had going for her for this loser. They can have a happy life together I can imagine. I always thought KgNE would have been better if there was no accident scene and it played out like some high school drama where Haruka and Mitsuki battle it out for the love of Takayuki. The OVA is the closest thing to the ending I wanted. Except the move Haruka pulls off at the end. I kind of see a reversal of roles here, where Takayuki is willing to jeopardize the life he has built, well more like Mitsuki built for Haruka. Haruka seemed to be eating that up until something happens and we have the end of the first episode. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good, but still Haruka with the long hair is hot. |
2008-01-13, 17:12 | Link #79 |
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I'm half way through the first episode and I have a bad feeling about this and I'm worried about one thing at the moment
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I'm also missing Mistuki quite a lot. It doesn't feel complete without her. Edit: Just finished it now and Spoiler:
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2008-01-13, 23:50 | Link #80 |
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After watching this episode i'm still kind of confused : whether the animation was bad or Taka didn't really like Haruka and was just pretending cuz it was really strange in my eyes how easy he is doing everything,i know that they were together before and that there is nothing to shy about,but to me it seemed strange,and when Haruka said its time to say Goodbye and the door closed,the expression on his face really surprised me,the only thing that i could understand from his expression that he was surprised that she did that,but he didn't really care...,well that is my opinion but ofcourse i may be wrong.
About the whole ep. I didn't like the way they kicked Mitsuki out,i'm sure they could've done it some other way,and it was really difficult for me to watch him trying to kiss her and stuff while Mitsuki is gone.In this episode taka has become a total looser for me(well its the producers' fault ),cuz he was just standing still and crying when he heared about Mitsuki,if she stood on the roof he could easily get her back. So what i'm actually saying is that this OVA's sotry sucks,could be better(And yes i know that its just an addition,cuz the original ending was with Mitsuki.) |
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