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raitouazura · 2012-02-21, 07:49

still playing shin koihime musou.

is there true ending for this game??

judasmartel · 2012-02-21, 09:22

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Originally Posted by Balzac

Your first question includes some points that are quite anecdotal, and in addition, irrelevant to the enjoyment of eroge. It would be difficult to prove "better" in terms of playing visual novels, as there is no difficulty that can be rightfully invoked in playing, since the medium used is similar to the portrayal of a book. Those games which have added artificial difficulty in the form of additonal gameplay are a dissimilar, but not quite different sort of boat, to which is attached the distinction of belonging to a different sub-genre. (adv, srpg, etc.)The elements which we in the niche are concerned with: plot, character, setting, themes, etc. - elements which other avid book-readers are concerned with - are consistently open for perusal without rendering themselves to any sort of "difficulty". If there is a difficulty that would be perceived in visual novel reading, it's perhaps in finding the time to slog through it all.

Admittedly, it can be quite difficult for reaching 100% completion on games that rely on the invisible flag system.

I would like to see a link or survey detailing differences between people in terms of playing rate with added factors of sex, gender, class, religion or ethnicity, but in my opinion it's again an unnecessary thing to pursue as people who appreciate eroge are united in their appreciation of the little bit of things of Japanese culture that reveal themselves to and are appreciated by the readers in the form of the games. Whether or not blitzing through and saving at every opportunity of a choice, or skipping through to desired (and obvious) scenes of "preferred" heroines, each individual's enjoyment is different, whether boy or girl, human or mutated shut-in. And in all possible cases, it would be difficult to validate said preferences and gaming ability over the internet, unless you could hold a convention for visual novel readers and take stock of the population differences.

And seriously, there's nothing wrong with consulting a walkthrough. For users of the CTRL-dozers like me though, nothing beats spoiling yourself through the useless scenes in order to get to the meat, so even without a walkthrough, one gets to the (preferred) end anyway.

The second question even points forward from my statement: inevitably there will be all-stars from every player's opinions, but there will always be that private favorite VA for each person.

And with that: Shizuka Ito.

Indeed. Maybe the "girls can finish a specific route faster" story is pretty much anecdotal. Sure, consulting a walkthrough isn't really that bad (I do that myself whenever I get stuck), but completing a preferred route without a guide is just plain AWESOME.

I haven't had played much eroge (only played Come See Me Tonight 2 and planning to play Kira Kira if I get the chance) so I could say my preferred routes are always the easiest for me.

I usually prefer the "shy, silent girl" route. Bonus points if said girl actually has a darker side to her. Despite this, though, the true endings always interests me, even if it's the tsundere route like 75% of the time.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-02-21, 09:26

VN type eroge are hardly something you need skill for, so I don't see how anyone can be good or bad at it.

At best, you need some discipline to really read through all the text and not just click ahead to reach the juicy CG parts faster.

But if you don't read the text, then you are playing the wrong type of game anyway.

judasmartel · 2012-02-21, 11:54

Haha, I guessed so. You HAVE to read the dialogue texts when playing eroges. Failure to do so is actually playing them the wrong way. You read too fast, you may not catch the most crucial clue to complete your chosen route.

Skyfall · 2012-02-21, 17:03

Just finished Haruka's route in DamaMuko, and it was a quite satisfying experience overall indeed. It did feel like the story could have used a longer "epilogue" and showcasing the two in a relationship, as opposed to the "contest" part hogging pretty much all of the game-time, but heh ... at least the overall excellent chemistry between Haruka and Naoki makes up for it, somewhat.

Indeed, if there is one thing that impressed me about this route, is how well Haruka clicks with Naoki, as opposed to pretty much everyone else in the story. Besides like feeling the sole voice of reason ( .... for the most part

) among the female part of the cast for much of the time, she easily felt like the most natural match for Naoki. It's been a while since I have seen such a well-flowing chemistry and natural interactions between a male/female lead; a very welcome surprise that I wasn't really expecting to find in this title.

While I'm slightly disappointed they made Naoki yet another density incarnate on romance side of things, especially after his good first impression of having somewhat of a backbone, the good thing is that his relationship with Haruka (both as friends and as potential lovers) didn't really suffer because of him - she just knows and understands him that well, and can spell his thoughts out for him, even when Naoki himself is stumped for words. The joys of not really having any tedious misunderstandings because the girl both understands what makes Naoki tick, and knows better than to take offense at some of his dense-er moments. A very pleasing relationship to follow indeed.

Saying that she understands him better than the rest of the female cast combined wouldn't be an overstatement, and what really earned my respect for her was that she was the only one who ever showed real concern for Naoki's feelings and well being. While everyone else seemed too absorbed in making Naoki do what they want (Like his choice between the two "clubs"), only Haruka displayed concern over the difficulty of said choice, and tried to encourage him to follow his own feelings on the matter, not outside pressure (Even if she would have benefited from a specific choice of his). Lover or not, she was a true friend of Naoki's.

On the other hand, I wonder if going for Haruka's route first wasn't a mistake - I dread whether the following ones will be able to live up to this satisfying experience, because it feels like I have already witnessed the most natural and most satisfying outcome. Considering all the other characters range from "ok" to "aargh, get her away from my screen" (Rin / Reona ...ick), I have a feeling I might have shot myself in the foot here, not saving the best for the last. Ah well ... one way to find out I guess.

Probably going for Yoriko's route next, to experience things from the astronomy club's side.

gbatemper · 2012-02-21, 19:39

Just finished both Sengoku Rance, Mashiro Iro Symphony, Majikoi S, and Muv-luv Alternative.
1 week break

, had a lot of time. Stayed up nights.

Personally, the most addicting was Sengoku Rance, with its RPG gameplay and funny characters. Gameplay wise, it was the best. It is the best hybrid Visual Novel RPG. Some characters just stand out a lot, Especially Kenshin Chan (Uesugi Kenshin) and Rance (HAHAHAHAHAHA).

The best story was Muv-Luv Alternative. Tops everything on my list. It made me feel very emotional, especially after all that character attachment I've had from the previous games (Muv-Luv Extra, Muv-Luv Unlimited). After playing this game, I can say I've felt genuinely proud, patriotic, and very sympathetic for the protagonist. The ending however, fitting with its non escapist sci fi attitude, made me feel beyond depressed and empty.
However, as the VN's theme is "Things happen in life. Deal with it, and head forward", I managed to cope with it playing some other more "happy" visual novels that did not involve

Spoiler:

Mashiro Iro Symphony was the game I played after, which was very nice to play as medicine to Muv-Luv Alternative. It was very happy and cheery for the most part, with the exceptions of some routes having some drama, albeit not to the point of Muv-luv. The school, harem, cheery feeling makes you laugh, and the characters are well rounded and great. I'd say the characters in this game are the selling point, it's what made it sell.

Majikoi S was a game I was playing really slowly, I bought the game from amiami, it was fairly nice. I personally disliked some routes, like Margit going

Spoiler:

. Kokoro's route was very hearwarming, and I'd say its in the top 3 routes in the game with Momoyo and Yukie. The 5 original heroines routes were pretty good, but a little short. The shortness of the routes are countered by the sheer number of routes though.

Hooves · 2012-02-21, 22:10

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Originally Posted by raitouazura

still playing shin koihime musou.

is there true ending for this game??

The three routes are true endings.

johnishida · 2012-02-22, 09:58

Too bad you decided to drop Corona, Skyfall. As shallow as it may be I find myself enjoying the story in a more, let's say, simpler level. SLG parts are fun, the whole nakama theme is cliche yet appealing to my shounen soul, character interactions are fun (Murial's Serious Breaker was just hilarious) and there's some drama / tragedy mixed in to spice things up just a tiny bit.

Currently in Muriel's path in Corona's route and already looking forward to whatever will go wrong this time

Really, lots of patience is a must to play this game.

Got the endings for the side characters. Kaname's rather unexpected considering her personality and I can see why you like her so much. Asuka's was just ok. Kumi's was just... amazing

. Akane's was one I really liked along with Anastasia's / Eri's.

Skyfall · 2012-02-22, 11:16

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Originally Posted by johnishida

. Kumi's was just... amazing

That's certainly one way to phrase it, it got me laughing a good deal for sure. It was extremely amusing to see Kumi get more than what she bargained for with her little stunt, and all her following complaints (which might even have been legitimate to some degree - and that's the funny part

) being blown off by both Touka and Tokino with the open conclusion that she is probably being a tsundere, thus said reactions are "normal" ... I loved how her complaints fell on completely deaf ears and were met with a "yeah yeah :3" reaction - not being taken seriously at all! A lesson well learned

Of all these "side endings", Kaname's felt like the most "normal romance" one I'd say - the rest were more or less played for laughs (especially Kumi's

)

Though as fun as the occasional moments were, I just didn't have it in me to finish it - sorry! When you are literally forcing yourself to sit down and play for 30 minutes, you know something ain't right at that point.

DamaMuko is proving to be a suitably satisfying reprieve meanwhile - and it being somewhat on the short side, serves as a good contrast to Corona's long-winded approach

Soviet · 2012-02-22, 16:27

Grisaia no Meikyuu's release draws near. Hype hype hype. Got to prepare for a couple of days of non-stop reading.

Mahou · 2012-02-22, 17:52

Currently enjoying Little Busters!. Since there has been a seperate thread for a long time, I won't post any "in-depth" stuff here

. 3 routes done and the Key-trademark emotional-hammer remained more or less steady up to now even though the comedy is quite marvelous before the heavy hitting parts begin on the respective routes.
A nice change of pace to read a VN in a more familar language

Seems that I need to push myself afterwards through my remaining drama-fests *coughsakurastrasses-stillonlyoneroutedonecough*. Must not get derailed again

Forsaken_Infinity · 2012-02-22, 18:19

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

With games that old, you will have problems to play them on a modern system.
Those would have to be remakes, or you'd possibly need some kind of emulator.

Quick question about Tears to Tiara:
I have a lot of damaging spells, that look different, but their stats are all the same.
Same mp cost, same 'power'. Is there any reason to use one of them over the others?

The game is so freaking easy that there is no way you will have any issues whichever one you use. You could just as well leave everybody on auto and there won't be any issues. And if you think that's a waste of a strategy game, well, the game isn't exactly polished or anything close to good anyway. The story is a drag too. The only saving grace is the character interaction. I still don't understand why it has the reputation it does till this day

I would suggest virtual machines for older operating systems to play really old games btw.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-02-22, 18:26

I noticed that already, started over and upped the difficulty.
It is still easy most of the time (the fact that you can just level up as much as you want on free fields is pretty dumb), but then it sometimes becomes really difficult suddenly.

Forsaken_Infinity · 2012-02-22, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

I noticed that already, started over and upped the difficulty.
It is still easy most of the time (the fact that you can just level up as much as you want on free fields is pretty dumb), but then it sometimes becomes really difficult suddenly.

The only time I had a remotely tough time, even with the highest difficulty, was with the very first battle and that's because it was the very first time I was toying with the battle system and menus.

For the most part, leave it on auto and only intervene if people start taking really long detours (thanks to lolpathing) or are about to die. That's more than enough ._.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-02-22, 19:53

As I said, the stupid concept of unlimited leveling without any balance adjustments of storyline enemies makes it a joke to "beat" the game.
You have to hold back on leveling and just be a scrub. Then the enemies you encounter are at least sometimes higher level than you are.

For example that first ogre with all the spell spam easily wiped the floor with my team on auto fight.
Made for an interesting manual fight. Of course I could have gone into this battle with something like lvl 100 from killing off 1 million crabs, but I chose not to.

Skyfall · 2012-02-23, 17:05

Just finished Yoriko's route in DamaMuko and all I can say is urgh ... if Haruka's route left me with a largely positive impression, then this one made me want to head-desk. Hard. And keep doing so until either the desk gives in, or my head. And I have a feeling my head would have won, if it could survive this contrived nonsense. I literally have nothing good to say about Yoriko's route. Not a single thing.

Spoiler for rant:

I guess the very starting point of this route should have clued me in that making sense wouldn't be on the priority list. Their rooftop conversation with Yoriko concluding that she really is useless for the astronomy club, then deciding the only good thing about her are her breasts (Which was just played for laughs 10 seconds ago), then stripping her top and asking Naoki to fondle them was already WTF worthy. None of it made any sense, came out of the complete blue, and was completely out of line with her previously established scarey-cat character. Why did she ask him to fondle her breasts (and why did she conclude she needs to do this in order to be "useful") ? Hell if I know!

What followed afterwards wasn't anything better really - rather it was completely stupid, degrading for both Yoriko's character and the writing quality of the title as a whole. As a follow up, for no good reason, Yoriko gets turned from an extremely shy and timid person to a conglomerate of lust whose daily agenda consists of finding the next place where to have sex with Naoki, and that's if she isn't busy masturbating in some school toilet while fantasizing about having sex with Naoki.

I was ready to laugh in frustration when she turned up at Naoki's place to seriously discuss their relationship at his request, with a vibrator up her ...*ahem*. She even kept it in at school! Did they really have to turn her character in to some sex depraved manic whose mind is in the gutter 110% of the time on a good day ? Just because?

If that was the only issue though, I could have still lived with it - despite how stupidly contrived and laughable of a "development" it had been up to that point. Nothing wrong with a relationship strongly rooted in the physical side of affection for a change.

What completely ruined it for me though was Yoriko's constant insistence that Naoki actually loves Rin and thus constantly trying to set them up (while remaining his sex friend on the side of course), and Naoki having all the wits of a lobotomized ape, incapable of forming two coherent sentences to refute her claim. Seriously, did they have to make him appear as a nearly brain-dead rag who gets pulled along with everything everyone else says, unable to muster a response beyond "Makabe-san ...!?" or "Errrr ?"

Coupled with the uranium levels of density he was blessed with regarding everything even remotely romance or feeling related even during the times when he could stutter out more than half a sentence (That wasn't related to how sexy Yoriko's breasts look), and he really became the live reincarnation of the stupid, dense, indecisive rag of a male lead that protagonists are notorious for. And thanks to this, we had all that beautifully forced drama with Rin that could have easily been avoided if Naoki was allowed to utilize his mouth for something besides sucking on Yoriko, like ... stutter out his thoughts in coherent manner and straighten things out sometime last week instead of stringing Rin around for no other reason besides contrived drama!

And then we have the awesome "cliffhanger" of Yoriko being stabbed in the end by that raving lunatic nameless classmate witch a kitchen knife because he couldn't stand the sight of his precious goddess having eyes for someone else. Wait, how did he manage that considering they just apprehended him 10 minutes ago in an earlier attempt ? Oh, right - there was an announcement that the "Bride Contest" voting has started, so the students who were hauling him away released him in their rush to cast a vote, allowing this maniac to make a second run!

But all is good, because Yoriko was saved a ketchup bottle she had stuffed between her breasts previously and had forgotten to take it out! What. The. BLEEP! But hey, at least Yoriko won the vote and thus was allowed to go out with Naoki, because if they hadn't gotten the 'permission' of the student body in terms of this popularity vote, ohohoho, that would have been the end of them! What a tense moment indeed! /sarcasm

So ... yeah, this route was through and through stupid. And I mean pants-on-head levels of stupid. I am having serious second thoughts whether I want to try any of the remaining routes ... if this is the level of writing I can expect, and if Naoki is indeed such a density incarnate, only made tolerable in Haruka's route because of how well she understands him and thus preventing his lack of comprehension getting in the way, I'm not sure I want to. The only plus side is that these routes appear to be quite short indeed.

Other than that, my feelings on Yoriko's route can be promptly summed up in one word(?) : aAaaAARrrGgHhHhh!

johnishida · 2012-02-23, 18:16

wow, Skyfall. I applaud you for being able to go through all that without giving up mid-way.

Kameruka · 2012-02-23, 21:05

I really hate to ask this but do some eroge have problems with Windows 7? Recently I have installed Crescendo in my laptop which had Windows 7 and there's an error. Its music cannot be played and if I try to, it crashed the game itself. I dunno if the files were corrupted(I used virtual CD files to install and play it, similar to AlcoholSoft for example). Crescendo is not alone. Do You Like Horny Bunnies and Hitomi My Stepsister also had same problem as well.

The only eroge that have no problem with Windows 7(at least in my own laptop) is Yume Miru Kusuri, which had no errors regarding its music file. However this can be explained that unlike all eroge I mentioned above, YMK was installed from a real DVD(I got from a friend and he copied it illegally. Just don't ask me how) rather than virtual CD files.

This could be my own problem but I just don't know how to tackle it.

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-02-23, 22:53

Well, we can't offer technical support for eroge you obtained illegally, as this is in violation of our Forum Rules.

In general terms, though, I would guess that it's possible some older software may need to run in XP Mode in order to function correctly on Windows 7, which basically entails a Windows XP virtual machine. More information about XP Mode can be found here. There is also a compatibility mode option that can be enabled on a program-by-program basis that may (or may not) help.

Skyfall · 2012-02-24, 05:02

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Originally Posted by johnishida

wow, Skyfall. I applaud you for being able to go through all that without giving up mid-way.

Believe me, the urge to stop midway was certainly strong on several occasions. What kept me going was the knowledge that routes in DamaMuko are quite short (so knowing that the suffering won't last for too long

), and faint hope that the ending might yet prove satisfying, and thus offering at least some enjoyment for the trouble in the end. Well, didn't quite turn out like that - the ending was just as silly (in a way that makes you want to facepalm, not laugh) as the rest of her route.

Makes me wonder how they managed to make a decent, even if not special, route for Haruka, then turn around and come up with this ... thing ... for Yoriko's route

2012-02-21, 07:49	Link #3261
raitouazura Fallen God Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nirvana	still playing shin koihime musou. is there true ending for this game?? __________________ Next one will not miss

2012-02-21, 17:03	Link #3265
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	Just finished Haruka's route in DamaMuko, and it was a quite satisfying experience overall indeed. It did feel like the story could have used a longer "epilogue" and showcasing the two in a relationship, as opposed to the "contest" part hogging pretty much all of the game-time, but heh ... at least the overall excellent chemistry between Haruka and Naoki makes up for it, somewhat. Indeed, if there is one thing that impressed me about this route, is how well Haruka clicks with Naoki, as opposed to pretty much everyone else in the story. Besides like feeling the sole voice of reason ( .... for the most part ) among the female part of the cast for much of the time, she easily felt like the most natural match for Naoki. It's been a while since I have seen such a well-flowing chemistry and natural interactions between a male/female lead; a very welcome surprise that I wasn't really expecting to find in this title. While I'm slightly disappointed they made Naoki yet another density incarnate on romance side of things, especially after his good first impression of having somewhat of a backbone, the good thing is that his relationship with Haruka (both as friends and as potential lovers) didn't really suffer because of him - she just knows and understands him that well, and can spell his thoughts out for him, even when Naoki himself is stumped for words. The joys of not really having any tedious misunderstandings because the girl both understands what makes Naoki tick, and knows better than to take offense at some of his dense-er moments. A very pleasing relationship to follow indeed. Saying that she understands him better than the rest of the female cast combined wouldn't be an overstatement, and what really earned my respect for her was that she was the only one who ever showed real concern for Naoki's feelings and well being. While everyone else seemed too absorbed in making Naoki do what they want (Like his choice between the two "clubs"), only Haruka displayed concern over the difficulty of said choice, and tried to encourage him to follow his own feelings on the matter, not outside pressure (Even if she would have benefited from a specific choice of his). Lover or not, she was a true friend of Naoki's. On the other hand, I wonder if going for Haruka's route first wasn't a mistake - I dread whether the following ones will be able to live up to this satisfying experience, because it feels like I have already witnessed the most natural and most satisfying outcome. Considering all the other characters range from "ok" to "aargh, get her away from my screen" (Rin / Reona ...ick), I have a feeling I might have shot myself in the foot here, not saving the best for the last. Ah well ... one way to find out I guess. Probably going for Yoriko's route next, to experience things from the astronomy club's side. __________________

2012-02-21, 19:39	Link #3266
gbatemper Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	Just finished both Sengoku Rance, Mashiro Iro Symphony, Majikoi S, and Muv-luv Alternative. 1 week break , had a lot of time. Stayed up nights. Personally, the most addicting was Sengoku Rance, with its RPG gameplay and funny characters. Gameplay wise, it was the best. It is the best hybrid Visual Novel RPG. Some characters just stand out a lot, Especially Kenshin Chan (Uesugi Kenshin) and Rance (HAHAHAHAHAHA). The best story was Muv-Luv Alternative. Tops everything on my list. It made me feel very emotional, especially after all that character attachment I've had from the previous games (Muv-Luv Extra, Muv-Luv Unlimited). After playing this game, I can say I've felt genuinely proud, patriotic, and very sympathetic for the protagonist. The ending however, fitting with its non escapist sci fi attitude, made me feel beyond depressed and empty. However, as the VN's theme is "Things happen in life. Deal with it, and head forward", I managed to cope with it playing some other more "happy" visual novels that did not involve Spoiler: the entire fucking cast dying, including any heroines from the previous game. Also, after dealing for 5 years of mental anguish, being forced into a soldier despite being a average highschool student, then watching all of your best friends die, then having the same thing done to you again resulting in you having the mind of steel (insane emotional strength), then losing all your memory, and your body and being forced to your original world after wanting to stay in the alternative world. Mashiro Iro Symphony was the game I played after, which was very nice to play as medicine to Muv-Luv Alternative. It was very happy and cheery for the most part, with the exceptions of some routes having some drama, albeit not to the point of Muv-luv. The school, harem, cheery feeling makes you laugh, and the characters are well rounded and great. I'd say the characters in this game are the selling point, it's what made it sell. Majikoi S was a game I was playing really slowly, I bought the game from amiami, it was fairly nice. I personally disliked some routes, like Margit going Spoiler: S@M bondage, wants Yamato's dick desperately . Kokoro's route was very hearwarming, and I'd say its in the top 3 routes in the game with Momoyo and Yukie. The 5 original heroines routes were pretty good, but a little short. The shortness of the routes are countered by the sheer number of routes though.

2012-02-22, 09:58	Link #3268
johnishida Bishoujo Lover! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Venezuela Age: 36	Too bad you decided to drop Corona, Skyfall. As shallow as it may be I find myself enjoying the story in a more, let's say, simpler level. SLG parts are fun, the whole nakama theme is cliche yet appealing to my shounen soul, character interactions are fun (Murial's Serious Breaker was just hilarious) and there's some drama / tragedy mixed in to spice things up just a tiny bit. Currently in Muriel's path in Corona's route and already looking forward to whatever will go wrong this time Really, lots of patience is a must to play this game. Got the endings for the side characters. Kaname's rather unexpected considering her personality and I can see why you like her so much. Asuka's was just ok. Kumi's was just... amazing . Akane's was one I really liked along with Anastasia's / Eri's. __________________

2012-02-23, 17:05	Link #3276
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	Just finished Yoriko's route in DamaMuko and all I can say is urgh ... if Haruka's route left me with a largely positive impression, then this one made me want to head-desk. Hard. And keep doing so until either the desk gives in, or my head. And I have a feeling my head would have won, if it could survive this contrived nonsense. I literally have nothing good to say about Yoriko's route. Not a single thing. Spoiler for rant: I guess the very starting point of this route should have clued me in that making sense wouldn't be on the priority list. Their rooftop conversation with Yoriko concluding that she really is useless for the astronomy club, then deciding the only good thing about her are her breasts (Which was just played for laughs 10 seconds ago), then stripping her top and asking Naoki to fondle them was already WTF worthy. None of it made any sense, came out of the complete blue, and was completely out of line with her previously established scarey-cat character. Why did she ask him to fondle her breasts (and why did she conclude she needs to do this in order to be "useful") ? Hell if I know! What followed afterwards wasn't anything better really - rather it was completely stupid, degrading for both Yoriko's character and the writing quality of the title as a whole. As a follow up, for no good reason, Yoriko gets turned from an extremely shy and timid person to a conglomerate of lust whose daily agenda consists of finding the next place where to have sex with Naoki, and that's if she isn't busy masturbating in some school toilet while fantasizing about having sex with Naoki. I was ready to laugh in frustration when she turned up at Naoki's place to seriously discuss their relationship at his request, with a vibrator up her ...ahem. She even kept it in at school! Did they really have to turn her character in to some sex depraved manic whose mind is in the gutter 110% of the time on a good day ? Just because? If that was the only issue though, I could have still lived with it - despite how stupidly contrived and laughable of a "development" it had been up to that point. Nothing wrong with a relationship strongly rooted in the physical side of affection for a change. What completely ruined it for me though was Yoriko's constant insistence that Naoki actually loves Rin and thus constantly trying to set them up (while remaining his sex friend on the side of course), and Naoki having all the wits of a lobotomized ape, incapable of forming two coherent sentences to refute her claim. Seriously, did they have to make him appear as a nearly brain-dead rag who gets pulled along with everything everyone else says, unable to muster a response beyond "Makabe-san ...!?" or "Errrr ?" Coupled with the uranium levels of density he was blessed with regarding everything even remotely romance or feeling related even during the times when he could stutter out more than half a sentence (That wasn't related to how sexy Yoriko's breasts look), and he really became the live reincarnation of the stupid, dense, indecisive rag of a male lead that protagonists are notorious for. And thanks to this, we had all that beautifully forced drama with Rin that could have easily been avoided if Naoki was allowed to utilize his mouth for something besides sucking on Yoriko, like ... stutter out his thoughts in coherent manner and straighten things out sometime last week instead of stringing Rin around for no other reason besides contrived drama! And then we have the awesome "cliffhanger" of Yoriko being stabbed in the end by that raving lunatic nameless classmate witch a kitchen knife because he couldn't stand the sight of his precious goddess having eyes for someone else. Wait, how did he manage that considering they just apprehended him 10 minutes ago in an earlier attempt ? Oh, right - there was an announcement that the "Bride Contest" voting has started, so the students who were hauling him away released him in their rush to cast a vote, allowing this maniac to make a second run! But all is good, because Yoriko was saved a ketchup bottle she had stuffed between her breasts previously and had forgotten to take it out! What. The. BLEEP! But hey, at least Yoriko won the vote and thus was allowed to go out with Naoki, because if they hadn't gotten the 'permission' of the student body in terms of this popularity vote, ohohoho, that would have been the end of them! What a tense moment indeed! /sarcasm So ... yeah, this route was through and through stupid. And I mean pants-on-head levels of stupid. I am having serious second thoughts whether I want to try any of the remaining routes ... if this is the level of writing I can expect, and if Naoki is indeed such a density incarnate, only made tolerable in Haruka's route because of how well she understands him and thus preventing his lack of comprehension getting in the way, I'm not sure I want to. The only plus side is that these routes appear to be quite short indeed. Other than that, my feelings on Yoriko's route can be promptly summed up in one word(?) : aAaaAARrrGgHhHhh! __________________

2012-02-21, 09:26	Link #3263
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	VN type eroge are hardly something you need skill for, so I don't see how anyone can be good or bad at it. At best, you need some discipline to really read through all the text and not just click ahead to reach the juicy CG parts faster. But if you don't read the text, then you are playing the wrong type of game anyway.

2012-02-21, 11:54	Link #3264
judasmartel Senior Member Author Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines	Haha, I guessed so. You HAVE to read the dialogue texts when playing eroges. Failure to do so is actually playing them the wrong way. You read too fast, you may not catch the most crucial clue to complete your chosen route.

2012-02-22, 16:27	Link #3270
Soviet Senior Member Join Date: May 2010	Grisaia no Meikyuu's release draws near. Hype hype hype. Got to prepare for a couple of days of non-stop reading.

2012-02-22, 17:52	Link #3271
Mahou ダメ人 - 人間失格 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany Age: 37	Currently enjoying Little Busters!. Since there has been a seperate thread for a long time, I won't post any "in-depth" stuff here . 3 routes done and the Key-trademark emotional-hammer remained more or less steady up to now even though the comedy is quite marvelous before the heavy hitting parts begin on the respective routes. A nice change of pace to read a VN in a more familar language Seems that I need to push myself afterwards through my remaining drama-fests coughsakurastrasses-stillonlyoneroutedonecough. Must not get derailed again

2012-02-22, 18:26	Link #3273
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	I noticed that already, started over and upped the difficulty. It is still easy most of the time (the fact that you can just level up as much as you want on free fields is pretty dumb), but then it sometimes becomes really difficult suddenly.

2012-02-22, 19:53	Link #3275
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	As I said, the stupid concept of unlimited leveling without any balance adjustments of storyline enemies makes it a joke to "beat" the game. You have to hold back on leveling and just be a scrub. Then the enemies you encounter are at least sometimes higher level than you are. For example that first ogre with all the spell spam easily wiped the floor with my team on auto fight. Made for an interesting manual fight. Of course I could have gone into this battle with something like lvl 100 from killing off 1 million crabs, but I chose not to.

2012-02-23, 18:16	Link #3277
johnishida Bishoujo Lover! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Venezuela Age: 36	wow, Skyfall. I applaud you for being able to go through all that without giving up mid-way. __________________

2012-02-23, 21:05	Link #3278
Kameruka Hen-Tie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hen-Tie pen	I really hate to ask this but do some eroge have problems with Windows 7? Recently I have installed Crescendo in my laptop which had Windows 7 and there's an error. Its music cannot be played and if I try to, it crashed the game itself. I dunno if the files were corrupted(I used virtual CD files to install and play it, similar to AlcoholSoft for example). Crescendo is not alone. Do You Like Horny Bunnies and Hitomi My Stepsister also had same problem as well. The only eroge that have no problem with Windows 7(at least in my own laptop) is Yume Miru Kusuri, which had no errors regarding its music file. However this can be explained that unlike all eroge I mentioned above, YMK was installed from a real DVD(I got from a friend and he copied it illegally. Just don't ask me how) rather than virtual CD files. This could be my own problem but I just don't know how to tackle it.

2012-02-23, 22:53	Link #3279
*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	Well, we can't offer technical support for eroge you obtained illegally, as this is in violation of our Forum Rules. In general terms, though, I would guess that it's possible some older software may need to run in XP Mode in order to function correctly on Windows 7, which basically entails a Windows XP virtual machine. More information about XP Mode can be found here. There is also a compatibility mode option that can be enabled on a program-by-program basis that may (or may not) help. __________________ [...]