Character Discussion - Kallen

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

I'm all for a normal love polygon comedy set in school. So, I think I'll go with a Kimi ga Nozomu no Eien style. And I haven't watched that one, as well. I just heard some things about the story.

LOL. Maybe you can come up with your more 'un-benign' version? I know you're good at that!

Haha, the theatrical kiss is another cliche I added on purpose. Can you come up with more?

CG Fumoffu would be great.

You should give the next part and i'll continue I just added some little things your scipt make me think about, right now, i'm off with ideas xD

We could see more thing about the whole Gino x Anya x Kallen though; BTW about Lie's idea, I can see a totally quiet Anya telling to Gino, at the very end "I love you too" after some declarations...before this well...comic situations could happen xD

About Shirley I can't see her falling for Suzaku easily...damn they should have continue with this in season 1, we would had more material to work on.

Kimi ga nozomu eien would be nice. We could have a few road to go by. BTW I think that here, most people are more for a Kallen's victory xD

[bladeofdarkness]

BTW I think that here, most people are more for a Kallen's victory xD

no shit

[Xevious451]

I rather liked the scenario laid on in the last few posts. I'd totally read that fic.

However, I'm not so sure about going down a "School Days" route. Because that would just be... tragic. On second thought, there are actually quite a few similarities between those two scenarios, so it could work. I just don't think the original intent is to end on a similar note to R2.

No matter how I look at it, it can't end well for Kallen. Eh, well. If I'm bored enough during work later, I'll whip up a parody of it for some laughs.

[Lie]

Originally Posted by Xevious451

I rather liked the scenario laid on in the last few posts. I'd totally read that fic.

However, I'm not so sure about going down a "School Days" route. Because that would just be... tragic. On second thought, there are actually quite a few similarities between those two scenarios, so it could work. I just don't think the original intent is to end on a similar note to R2.

No matter how I look at it, it can't end well for Kallen. Eh, well. If I'm bored enough during work later, I'll whip up a parody of it for some laughs.

Classic cliche anime = Kallen win. This scenario, at least, does.
Tsundere will always find a way to beat the 'lovesick' girl.
Usually the lovesick girl will fall for the other guy who actually realizes something, chasing her.
Where as the tsuns will end up realizing, through some elaborate plot by someone else, that they actually like each other.
The other side chars like Gino, Anya, Milly, and Rivalz, find ways to get involved and have their own side relationships but they are like guest stars.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Lie

Classic cliche anime = Kallen win. This scenario, at least, does.
Tsundere will always find a way to beat the 'lovesick' girl.
Usually the lovesick girl will fall for the other guy who actually realizes something, chasing her.
Where as the tsuns will end up realizing, through some elaborate plot by someone else, that they actually like each other.
The other side chars like Gino, Anya, Milly, and Rivalz, find ways to get involved and have their own side relationships but they are like guest stars.

when you say beat the lovesick girl
do you mean beat her to the guys heart
or beat her up, and take the guys heart

but i agree that the new NT release (whether or not you think it has ANY BARING WHAT SO EVER) does support both kalulu and shirlulu
shirley as the classic lovestruck girl (which is what she was in the anime) who is the "most likely choice for a love interest at the start of the show (like she was in the start of the anime)
and kallen as a tsundere who can only respond to compliments with force (which is actually a way of showing affection at the early stages of a relationship)
classic love triangel
sheryl vs ranka
yakumo vs eri
shana vs yoshinda
ect...

not that i think its canon or anything
since it does completely ignore the events of the anime in its entirety

[Lie]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

when you say beat the lovesick girl
do you mean beat her to the guys heart
or beat her up, and take the guys heart

To the heart. Not beat her up physically.
Female harem leads are always tsundere because it always means that she (and if the male is also tsun) have confused feeligns for one another which surface at the worst moment possible.

[bladeofdarkness]

would it count as a harem with only two real options
its more of a triangel
and in that case anything is possible
but i do agree on the tsundere being a better choice for a lead love interest for a simple reason
there is much more to develop when the girl starts out confused and "hostile"
it leaves plenty of room for the couple to get closer as the plot goes on
the girl who is already "crushing" on the male lead has less things to develop

[kir44n]

I think I can pretty much agree with the aforementioned arguments about Tsunderes vs. Lovestruck girls in classic romance shows as far as how they may pertain to the Shirley/Lelouch/Kallen possible triangle. Another think they could possibly bring up too is the noncanon "previous meeting" with the peach in early childhood. Lord knows the japanese love their "destined pair" scenarios.

I would also purchase any & all discs should they make an AU code geass just revolving about Ashford academy and Lelouch's interactions there ^^

[linkinstreet]

Somehow I feel that it will be a sade fate for Shirley, no matter what :3

[inconstant_heart]

I'm seriously tempted to write a fic using these ideas. Would anyone mind if I did?

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by linkinstreet

Somehow I feel that it will be a sade fate for Shirley, no matter what :3

Rubbish. Everyone's entitled to their own happy ending (in one universe or another) and really, one could say that the show ended quite tragically for a number of characters.

Anyway, all this talk about turning Code Geass into a romantic teen comedy drama reminds me of what they did with NGE: Angelic Days. For those who don't know, they made an alternative universe NGE manga based on Shinji's "ideal world" from the final episode of NGE, and made NGE a romantic comedy. And I won't go any further without spoiler tagging it.

Spoiler for Angelic Days details:

And as if it was a gift from God, Angelic Days gave me what I'd always dreamed of: They made Shinji/Asuka canon! Yes sir, this manga was quite a departure from the dark, disturbing and mentally destabilizing NGE we all knew and gave us the relationship closure we always wanted. Well, except there was one teeny-tiny little problem

IT SUCKED MONKEY TITS!!!

Seriously, everything from the art to the plot (if there even was one) was completely sloppy and barely worth the read. And while I'm glad it did canonize my favorite shipping from the show, the awful quality almost made it not worth it. Not to mention I'm sure the manga would piss off a bunch of Shinji/Rei fans.

So, what's my point here? Well, I never had one, and that just drives you crazy, doesn't it?

Nah seriously, just be careful what you wish for. You may just get it.

[blottyparchment]

Originally Posted by Skellington2612

Welll you have quite the imagination... It´s a bit like school days... but the play part you got it from card captor right? Seems to complicate... I´ll love to read it, if you write it...

The play? I was only thinking of some random cliche. I didn't notice that CCS also had something similar until you pointed it out.　LOL, I remember that episode.

Originally Posted by Lie

To the heart. Not beat her up physically.
Female harem leads are always tsundere because it always means that she (and if the male is also tsun) have confused feeligns for one another which surface at the worst moment possible.

Kallen can vent it out on her sparring partner Suzaku, who is the tough rival in the same martial arts club, in my scenario.

The rest of it is plain cliche. >.>

Spoiler for WARNING those who don't like fanfiction + long fun waste of my and your time...:

Shirley calls for a cool-off.
"Lulu, you've shown that you care for me. I really appreciate it, I really do. But I can't tell how you feel for me. What am I to you?"
Lelouch, "I--"
"No. Don't answer me just yet, Lulu. I want you to think first about how you treat me and other girls. Am I any different from them, from Kallen?"
"What does Kallen have to do with this? She's my friend. You're my--"
"Look, I think we should just spend some time apart for a while."

The matter of Shirley weighs Lelouch's down, so he seeks solace from the crazy student council president.
"You're smart, Lelouch. But you don't understand enough of girls."
"And by that you mean..."
"Sorry, Lelouch. I can't help you with your problem~"

Lelouch and Kallen practice for the play. Lelouch still doesn't know why Kallen is acting the way she is but he feels like confiding in her. He talks to her about Shirley while Kallen listens all quiet. Deep down, she feels a bit guilty because she thinks that she inadvertently caused the rift between Lelouch and Shirley.
"Kallen, how does a guy please a girl?"
"Should you really be asking me that? Have you forgotten? You said you couldn't tell whether I was a guy or a girl. So I'm no good because I don't know how a guy should treat a girl, nor do I know what a girl should expect of a guy! Why are you laughing through your nose? Stop that, it irritates me."
"You're finally back to your normal self."
Kallen quirks her eyebrows in surprise. "Huh? I'm always being myself."
"Isn't it about the time of the week that we go to the arcade?"
"Oh, no. Are you planning to challenge me again? You know you suck at those. Admit it, that's the one thing you really fail at. That and most sports, by the way."
"Please, Kallen. If you win, I'll bake you your favorite cake just like always. Why are you cringing?"
"Have a little shame on yourself, Lelouch. To offer a girl to bake her sweets? Shouldn't it be the opposite?"
"Then what?"
Kallen thinks for a while. "Why don't you teach me how to cook or bake instead?"
"Sounds good to me."
"And what would you like if there is the slightest miracle that you'll win?"
Kallen does not like the devilish grin on Lelouch's face.

As expected, Kallen wins. Lelouch takes her to his house to have some cooking lessons. Nunnally joins along. Big mess ensues as Kallen almost blows up Lelouch's kitchen.
"I don't know who's worse, you or Shirley. How did you two pass Home Economics?"
Kallen freezes up at the mention of Shirley. "You two still haven't made up since then?"
"We haven't seen each since that time..." Lelouch trails off.
"You should think it through Lelouch, about Shirley."
"...."
"Nii-san~" Nunnally punctuates with a lilt, as if to remind that the two of them are not alone. "I think we've run out of icing for the cake..."
"Oh, yes. I'll go check if we have some in the storage room."
Then it turns out that Lelouch has to go out to buy, an un-Lelouch thing for him to forget to restock.
Nunnally asks Kallen. "Kallen-san, you like niisama, don't you?"

Naoto, who's been away for some time because of college, comes back only to argue with Kallen about her choice of "friends".
"Why do you stay friends with him? You say that he's the biggest cause of your headaches."
"And so are you, niichan."
"He doesn't look trustworthy."
"So said I before."
"Is there something going on between you two?"
"He's just my friend."
"I never imagined that he'd be your type of guy."
"What part of 'he's just my friend' didn't you understand?"
Gino comes along, with Anya in tag.
"Oh, it's Kallen's brother! Dear handsome brother--"
"--Stop calling me brother, though I suppose I am handsome--"
"--May I ask permission to date your lovely sister?"
"No," Naoto flat out answers.
"Eh? Eh? Why?"
"You should know my answer by now, Gino. How many times have you thrown me that line?"
"Anya? Where are you going? Hey, Anya!?"
Gino goes after Anya who walks away disinterested.

Later, Anya skims through the pictures she has taken with her phone camera and stops to stare at the image of a grinning blonde man.
"Baka."

Lelouch and Suzaku talk in the dojo.
Suzaku wonders. "Dont tell me you're cheating on her?"
"What!? It's just Kallen that I went out with! You know that we, you included, hang out as friends. It used to be the three of us, but since you two have been busy with your club activities..."
Kallen overhears this, tries to get away but happens to trip down and therefore, exposed.
"Kallen!" Lelouch yells.

Lelouch pelts rocks at Kallen's window. When Kallen ignores the ruckus, Lelouch tries to climb up the tree, lucky enough not to break his neck or limbs. Lelouch knocks on Kallen's window. Kallen cannot ignore the racket anymore and bolts from her bed to see Lelouch hugging a tree branch for his dear life. Kallen is wide-eyed in surprise that Lelouch is able to achieve this feat when he doesn't even have the stamina to climb the bell tower in Ashford.
"What are you doing there!? You're disturbing me, my family, and the neighbors!" Kallen hisses.
"I just want to talk with you."
"Can't this wait tomorrow?"
"Kallen, I have to talk to you now! Will you please let me in?"
Kallen closes the curtains on Lelouch.
"Kallen? You still awake?"
"Naoto-niichan?"
Naoto enters Kallen's room.
"I thought I heard something. Is everything alright?"
Naoto walks over to the windows.
Something lands down with a heavy thud.
"What was that!?" Naoto opens the window and pokes his head out.
Kallen panics and joins Naoto at the window.
"I think it was just a very big cat," Kallen says a little too loud.
"MREOW!"
Naoto furrows his brows. "Hmm..." After a while, he finally shuts the window.
"Told you it was a cat," Kallen says reassuringly.
"Or a burglar. I heard that there's a thief prowling about, who's wearing a tulip mask. He's been known to enter through the windows and has been stealing some weird things from people's houses. I mean, who would steal somebody's doll collection?"
That was supposed to be a practical joke on Milly. And she had to advertise her lost items all over the school. The reward was very compensating, though. Come to think of it, those dolls looked eerily like the student council members...
"Kallen?"
"Ahaha...Riiight. But I don't think that burglar would find anything of interest in our house."
"But what if he starts, you know, taking interest in people? What if he kidnaps my dear imouto?"
Kallen looks weirdly at Naoto. "Oh, come on. You're just getting paranoid, Naoto-niichan. Good night, niichan."
Kallen starts pushing Naoto out the room.
"Are you sure you don't need me to accompany you while you sleep?"
"GOOD.NIGHT."

"Oh my God, Lelouch. Are you alright? You fell from pretty high up."
Lelouch grunts. "I think...so.."

Then as the story progresses...
"Let's stop being friends, Lelouch."
"What do you mean?"
"I can't take this anymore. It's my fault that you and Shirley have turned out like this!"
"No, it's my fault, Kallen. I wasn't being serious with her. But what does this have to do with us ending our friendship?"
Kallen is frustrated. "Ugh. Can't you see, Lelouch? I cannot see you as a friend anymore. Argh!"
Kallen closes in on Lelouch and seizes his lips. Lelouch finds himself returning the kiss, despite in confusion about what is happening.
Kallen is the first to break the long spell that seemed like an eternity.
"Lelouch. This is why I can't see us being friends," Kallen says, a slight tremble in her voice.

= 妄想暴れ！！！！！

And while we're cranking out the cliches, why don't I whip up a mysterious girl in the form of a green-haired, golden-eyed girl who mysteriously appears at school in the middle of the semester and claims to have a mysterious relationship with Lelouch.

Originally Posted by inconstant_heart

I'm seriously tempted to write a fic using these ideas. Would anyone mind if I did?

Feel free to. ^^ I know you can do a great/better job. I've been waiting for an update from you.

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Rubbish. Everyone's entitled to their own happy ending (in one universe or another) and really, one could say that the show ended quite tragically for a number of characters.

Anyway, all this talk about turning Code Geass into a romantic teen comedy drama reminds me of what they did with NGE: Angelic Days. For those who don't know, they made an alternative universe NGE manga based on Shinji's "ideal world" from the final episode of NGE, and made NGE a romantic comedy. And I won't go any further without spoiler tagging it.

Spoiler for Angelic Days details:

And as if it was a gift from God, Angelic Days gave me what I'd always dreamed of: They made Shinji/Asuka canon! Yes sir, this manga was quite a departure from the dark, disturbing and mentally destabilizing NGE we all knew and gave us the relationship closure we always wanted. Well, except there was one teeny-tiny little problem

IT SUCKED MONKEY TITS!!!

Seriously, everything from the art to the plot (if there even was one) was completely sloppy and barely worth the read. And while I'm glad it did canonize my favorite shipping from the show, the awful quality almost made it not worth it. Not to mention I'm sure the manga would piss off a bunch of Shinji/Rei fans.

So, what's my point here? Well, I never had one, and that just drives you crazy, doesn't it?

Nah seriously, just be careful what you wish for. You may just get it.

I was in the middle of doing that bad fiction when I read your post. ^^
You're right. Be careful what we wish for.
Still, I do hope that they'll do quality control, if there would ever be more CG spin-offs.
Also, whether a spin-off sucks or not, will be relative to a person. What might be thumbs down to one, may be thumbs up to another.
But really, did that NGE spin-off suck a lot?

[bladeofdarkness]

that "story" is pure gold

[inconstant_heart]

Ahaha, you should write it, blottyparchment! I don't know why you're saying you can't write good fiction, because it sounds fantastic to me. (... I want more. :P)

[blottyparchment]

Originally Posted by inconstant_heart

Ahaha, you should write it, blottyparchment! I don't know why you're saying you can't write good fiction, because it sounds fantastic to me. (... I want more. :P)

Nah. I can only write outlines and script forms but I'm a bit weak when it comes to expository/descriptive writing. Believe me, I have tons of plot bunnies up here *taps head* but the idea only stays there.

Now, you can do whatever you want with my pseudo-fic and maybe even better.

I'm waiting for the others to tear it apart/add more fumoffu-ness.

[Lolipopo]

xDDDD Awesome Blotty, really awesome xDD

About the revelation scene though, I can't help but think to a raining night, while they are out together. Kallen is in a bad mood, she doesn't want to speak, and Lelouch stays quiet...then must happen THE thing (which one ? I dunno :'p) which is going to push Kallen to kiss him (if possible after some dispute, while she got tears in her eyes)...and I agree on the mutual kiss.

The whole "We can't stay friends" shouldn't be add after the kiss; Kallen ca mention it before but after...it's better to see the next day, at school, while they are staying away from each other, while Lelouch is trying to act as his usual self with Shirley.

About Lelouch climbing on the tree, isn't it a bit OOC from him ? xD i'm sure he can find a way to reach her window without having to climb on, we are talking about Lelouch

And I LOVE your Naoto

Now if Inconstant heart is really interested we should have an amazing fanfic to read in a few times :'P
(Please DO IT !)

[Inferno Phoenyx]

Originally Posted by inconstant_heart

I'm seriously tempted to write a fic using these ideas. Would anyone mind if I did?

I was reading a bunch of fanfiction last night, and I happened to come across yours!

I loved it.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

I was in the middle of doing that bad fiction when I read your post. ^^
You're right. Be careful what we wish for.
Still, I do hope that they'll do quality control, if there would ever be more CG spin-offs.
Also, whether a spin-off sucks or not, will be relative to a person. What might be thumbs down to one, may be thumbs up to another.
But really, did that NGE spin-off suck a lot?

Okay, to be totally honest, I didn't hate it that much. On a grading scale I'd give it a C+ at best and on a scale of 1 to 10, I guess I'd give it a 6. I think the story's greatest weakness was the art, but even that wasn't totally horrendous all of the time. Also, one part of it that sticks out in my mind is that they did try to stick an EVA battle in the story, but it was horribly done and half the time I couldn't even understand the action going on. Anyway, I can forgive some of the story mainly because I liked the fluffy romance stuffy, which, at times, was pretty well-written. and of course

Spoiler for Angelic Days:

Shinji/Asuka canon

Anyway, it only ran for 6 volumes, so if you're interested you could pick it up at a bookstore or see if you can find scanlations on the web.

[bladeofdarkness]

how is this in any way related to kallen ? (and if you like shnijixasuka, read an adult dojinshii called re-take)

[kir44n]

I think we navigated here by speaking of taking a super-serious show, then looking at a what-if scenario by removing the super-serious, and replacing it with AU waff-ish highschool romance. Theres an actual example of this being canonically done, and that example being the shinji/asuka "Angelic Days" manga.

Though if they did do Code Geass a la "angelic days", I also hope it'd be a much better venture (and longer than just 6 volumes)