2010-05-17, 11:23 | Link #10021 |
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Beatrice loves mysteries. Shannon (if she is Beato) loves mysteries. Erika loves mysteries.
Shantricika; anyone I hope when Ep7 comes out we get more soild clues, so we can destory some theories, not come up with many more. We need some hint to shatter these false truths. We already have enough theories, do we really need Ep7 to add 2 or more theories. |
2010-05-17, 11:29 | Link #10022 | |
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What may bother people is just that: there is no hard evidence for it. I say this: Correlation does not imply causation. This is a scientific adage that also applies to this game. Now I shall take the inverse: No correlation doesn't imply no causation. (In mathematical logic, the inverse of a statement is not always true. However, in this case, it is true. Just clarifying that.) As long as there is nothing disproving the idea, then it cannot be truly denied. It may not actually be true, but every single theory except one is false anyway. Now, I'm not very good at this sort of thing so you may want other supporters, hehe. Just don't be like Erika and get into a hissy-fit whenever you have to make revisions |
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2010-05-17, 11:51 | Link #10023 | |
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But it would mean that "Bern and Erika may not be ally" and thus "Erika relation with Bern could be simple courtesy", and in EP5 it is said that Erika always wanted to be a witch.. Even if it is not said in red, I don't think that you can complain, just by seeing Erika's face. But...why Erika want to be a witch ?
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2010-05-17, 11:52 | Link #10024 | |
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As a side note, I have brought up both the shrine mirror and Natsuhi's mirror as symbols of truth, and I suspect it may be more important even than I initially thought. The shrine mirror is rather obviously such a symbol, as in the mythology the mirror is the symbol of Amaterasu, which she gives away, saying, "Worship it as if it was Me". The most prized virtue of Shinto that I'm aware of is 'makoto' -- purity and truth, and the mirror is a symbol of that truth. That it is an antithesis to western magic in the interpretation seen in the text, an antithesis to self-delusion, is the reason why this mirror has to be broken and the shrine has to be gone before Beatrice can proceed. Now, Natsuhi has another mirror, which, while it may or may not be a real physical object, has to carry the same properties as the shrine mirror, being a religious heirloom. As a side note, I don't think Battler himself ever hears about the mirror, which allows it to be a pure metaphor. The first time it is seen, Natsuhi sticks it into her pocket with the intent to give it to Jessica and forgets about it, carrying it around in her pocket for the rest of the episode. If this is a metaphor for anything, Natsuhi was about to reveal some important truth to Jessica, but in the commotion, did not. In Ep2, George, Shannon and Gohda set out to retrieve the same mirror, and perish in the attempt. In Ep5, Natsuhi's diaries are said to have been found in her room -- and very probably, in the same place as the mirror is supposed to be kept. This makes me think that Natsuhi knows some very important truth that we have not yet been told, from the period when she kept her diaries, which would be another major piece of the entire puzzle.
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2010-05-17, 12:08 | Link #10027 | |
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The traditional interpretation of the word 'witch' is 'someone who has supernatural powers', but I'm betting that isn't really what Erika is after, she wants the rank of a witch, which doesn't really seem to be connected with supernatural powers as such.
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2010-05-17, 12:14 | Link #10028 | |
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Doesn't that make her a bit close to Natshui ? Natshui wants to be able to wear the One winged an...eagle as much as Erika wants to have the rank of a witch. But this sound strange...Erika and Natshui aren't really in good terms in EP5. Maybe they have TOO MUCH NOTHING ALIKE ? Well, everyone in Umineko...all of them...I knew it from the beginning...they have...the DESIREEEEEEE! |
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2010-05-17, 12:45 | Link #10029 |
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ugh I want ep7 to hurry up and come out.. I'm getting tired of rereading eps 1-5 (six takes way to long to reread) I must have red them all at least 10 times....
Also what is up with Kanon's death is Shannon = Kanon? If the results shown on the TIPS are true. Ep1 = Stabbed in the chest Ep2 = Unknown Ep3 = Stabbed/Shot in the stomach (The wound is clearly lower on his body than ep1's wound) Ep4 = It looks like his upperbody is completely taken out. (We can see right through that large hole into the background of the page. It kind of makes me think of a more extremely 'demon kanon') |
2010-05-17, 12:46 | Link #10030 |
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Sorry to break current line of conversation but i started thinking about Maria's Rose. Does anyone have any theories about its appearance, and more so disappearance? I just think there has to be some significance since as far as my memory serves its one of the few things shown consistently in every episode.
I have a little theory as far as its disappearance. "Beatrice" took the rose and waited til Maria was alone to give her the letter. Not sure where though cuz as far as i remember, the cousins checked the whole rose garden, or tried.
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2010-05-17, 13:04 | Link #10032 | ||
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In an interview, Ryukishi07 said this:
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2010-05-17, 13:16 | Link #10033 | ||
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IMO the “And then………I……knew.” Was just covering the fact that Beatrice love Battler...Well, who hadn't find that Beatrice loved Battler before the end of EP5 ? There was so many hints (and they are even more obvious that Lambda said it)
When love was shared, magic was shared, and then Battler became the endless sorcerer. If he had discovered "all the truth" there is no need for EP6. AFAIK, we don't know what Battler really ..."knew"... here. Maybe he discovered more or less than we expect. But it is, like Ryukishi07 said, a sign for the readers. Also, I still don't get the "Do you think we will reach the Golden Land" between Shannon and Kanon in EP4. Are they really aware of the previous games ? Quote:
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2010-05-17, 14:02 | Link #10034 | |
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That's one bit of Maria's behaviour I don't see anyone explaining or even paying much attention to. Whichever underlying explanation you pick for her extensive knowledge of Beatrice, it harshly clashes with her seeing the disappearance of the shrine as a great misfortune. As a side note, Beatrice says that Kinzo restored the shrine soon after her death to prevent her spirit from running away from the island.
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2010-05-17, 14:03 | Link #10035 |
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Yay, I'm the 10,001 poster :P
But I'm a bit intrigued by Ryukishi's comment. He's saying that the motive/culprit can be found as early as the first episode? Actually, this probably isn't too surprising now that I think about it. Most mystery novels are the same way: when you reread with the new information, a lot of the foreshadowing becomes much more obvious. I'll have to reread Ep.1 in any case, I've only read it once :P |
2010-05-17, 14:09 | Link #10036 | ||
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2010-05-17, 14:13 | Link #10037 | |
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In fact, I need to reread Episode 2 as well. That whole boring scene with Shannon and Jessica is probably important. |
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2010-05-17, 14:21 | Link #10040 | |
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Marisa is the culprit. At the end, there was no bomb, everyone got Master Sparked. Case Closed. Seriously, I don't remember these scene well, so I guess I won't discuss on that. Mirror breaking is really strange, I guess she didn't break it just for love and DESIREEEE. |
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