2013-12-05, 16:51 | Link #32063 | |
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Nelson Mandela, hero of South Africa, dies at 95
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2013-12-05, 21:10 | Link #32070 | |
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CPIB officer charged with misappropriating S$1.7m So who watches the watchdogs? The other thing is that our civil service draws high salaries, negating corruption from money. However this has led to two things : income divide between civil and private sectors, and an "inner circle", basically nepotism in the upper echelons. There IS corruption, albeit controlled corruption. As we are small these things are not very well known to the outside world and are easily stifled through government controlled media, but given China which has emulated a number of our policies, those things are glaringly large. It is only a matter of time before everything comes to a head. We have innovation issues because of that; your average Singaporean is half as creative and twice as unable to think critically than any other citizen on the planet, but we are thrice as demanding as our Japanese/SK counterparts and a quarter as good as problem solving as they are.
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2013-12-05, 21:57 | Link #32071 | ||
Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
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Singapore may appear totalitarian (the reality is more subtle, but it's perfectly understandable if people don't want to learn about the nuances — it's only human), but I can't imagine any other state that is as far removed from race-based politics than Singapore. Heck, it's precisely because of opposition to race-based politics that Singapore had to split from Malaysia. Quote:
I am not by any means suggesting that no corruption exists in Singapore. Events this year prove that it does and, furthermore, that it exists at the top levels of public service, despite high salaries that were supposed to deter the need for kickbacks. I am, however, saying that size makes no difference to the level of corruption. Ultimately, it's about utterly destroying any system that fosters corruption, while at the same time cultivating a social consensus that fundamentally rejects corruption as a way of life. You'd be depressed by how much corruption is regarded as a "social norm" in many societies, to the extent that everyone expects that nothing will get done without greasing the wheels. Such attitudes feed a vicious circle that makes solving corruption that much harder. |
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2013-12-05, 23:00 | Link #32073 | |
Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
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The only historical examples of facist states are Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy. Beyond that, the term "facism" has been tossed around so loosely that it's as good as meaningless, the very problem that George Orwell had warned about.
People often use "fascism" as a synonym for "totalitarianism". They are not exactly the same. So, let's be clear about what we're trying to imply. Quote:
Even if you were to argue that their populations are relatively small compared to the likes of the United States, China and India, you'll still have a tough time explaining how they've been able to keep corruption relatively low across such large expanses of geography. |
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2013-12-05, 23:39 | Link #32075 | |
Moving in circles
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
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And the only "luck" that Singapore enjoyed in this context was the fact it was lead by a group of hard-headed leaders with unusual integrity. It took more than luck to crack down on corruption, though. In fact, I'd describe the measures used as downright brutal: Known leaders of criminal gangs were rounded up and thrown into jail without trial under the Internal Security Act. Then-prime minister Lee Kuan Yew refused to apologise for what is, by any measure, a gross violation of human rights. They do say it takes a bigger gangster to stop another gangster. What was the only thing that prevented this from spiralling into sustained abuse of power? The personal integrity of the first generation of political leaders. (Of course, some will disagree about their so-called integrity. It's an opinion. You're always free to disagree with mine.) To me, the question, really, is how do you foster and sustain integrity among people from a young age? There's nothing about this process that can be taken for granted. And if you leave it to luck, chances are, it won't happen the way you hope it would. |
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2013-12-05, 23:58 | Link #32076 |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I say it is luck, because no one ever deliberately choose corrupt leaders. We don't know if someone has integrity or not until you give them real power. As I say, there are many collapsed nations who started the same way as Singapore, and the only reason Singapore got the balance right was because someone had to eventually.
But you are right; we can't replicate Singapore, we can't copy it anywhere else because its success was not by design. There was 101 things that could have gone horribly wrong, and in the end we can't simply replicate more Singapores for any amount of money.
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2013-12-06, 00:15 | Link #32077 | |
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http://www.theatlanticcities.com/pol...rruption/5642/ More distance your government is from the people, the possibility of corruption increases. Since all of Singapore is a island, it definitely would have the same corruption index as India.
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2013-12-06, 00:23 | Link #32079 | ||
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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A popular colliqual term here in the workforce is "don't spoil the market", meaning which everyone had the same consensus to do that same thing. See what it does to our society? On the good side we have relatively safe streets and plenty of order, but on the other hand we come up with junk ideas that nobody wants to buy - we are terrible inventors. The only thing we are able to provide is cost-efficiency for our production methods. Whatever kind of autocracy will come to a head. I believe that our collapse is just postphoned, not avoided. What helped is that each generation work to keep kicking the can down the road, but until when? Quote:
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