(L) Nisekoi (Komi Naoshi - Double Arts)

[teejmo]

Well, if ever there was a real life situation where a harem would be acceptable, this would be it. Yakuza bosses can do whatever they want.

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by teejmo

Well, if ever there was a real life situation where a harem would be acceptable, this would be it. Yakuza bosses can do whatever they want.

Yes! Wank them all to fulfill their hearts' desires

[Randrak42]

Harem is actually one of my favorite genres, but it has a fatal flaw in most of the series out there: The final girl is obvious.
Basically, the final girl is usually:
- The first girl to show up (not counting the childhood friend, unless the childhood friend is "returning home");
- Not the one the MC has a crush on;
- The first girl to to have an eventful meeting with the MC (crashed into the MC, was saved by the MC, etc);
- One of the most beautiful girls who the classmates/schoolmates have a crush on;
- The girl that gets the most covers;
- The girl that gets the most screentime;
Chitoge fits the bill perfectly, then again this is a really standard harem manga. She gets so screentime, so much focus that every other girl gets no chance, even if the supposed Key Girl isn't Chitoge, she still doesn't stand a chance against the main girl.
This is a damn shame, there should be more harem manga where these rules don't apply, most harem manga are just rom/coms with extra girls that stand no chance from the beginning. The worst of it all is...that the worst girl always win while the best ones get nothing, unless its a harem ending.

Thankfully there are some harem series out there that don't follow the rules, but not enough.

[Death Usagi]

Sigh... I just pray for an open end seriously... Otherwise it's seriously going to be a bloody ending... For one thing, we have to take into consideration the 3 year period for the fake dating between Raku and Chitoge, which brings up the question: what next?

[liemtodaisu]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

Harem is actually one of my favorite genres, but it has a fatal flaw in most of the series out there: The final girl is obvious.
Basically, the final girl is usually:
- The first girl to show up (not counting the childhood friend, unless the childhood friend is "returning home");
- Not the one the MC has a crush on;
- The first girl to to have an eventful meeting with the MC (crashed into the MC, was saved by the MC, etc);
- One of the most beautiful girls who the classmates/schoolmates have a crush on;
- The girl that gets the most covers;
- The girl that gets the most screentime;
Chitoge fits the bill perfectly, then again this is a really standard harem manga. She gets so screentime, so much focus that every other girl gets no chance, even if the supposed Key Girl isn't Chitoge, she still doesn't stand a chance against the main girl.
This is a damn shame, there should be more harem manga where these rules don't apply, most harem manga are just rom/coms with extra girls that stand no chance from the beginning. The worst of it all is...that the worst girl always win while the best ones get nothing, unless its a harem ending.

Thankfully there are some harem series out there that don't follow the rules, but not enough.

Remember Ichigo 100? Toujo Aya was the one the protag probably loved the most, then near final chapters something stupid happened and the stupid protag went back to the blonde. Yeah, that's rules don't apply for you. Try reading G.E too, it's stomachache indulging since it's drama and all that, but rules didn't apply to who can win either.

[Death Usagi]

I think one of the reasons why I don't like Chitoge much is that she reminds me of Kirino from OreImo somehow...

For one thing, other than few series out there, I am really tired of violent tsundere winning the main protagonist in a harem series in an obvious way...

I am praying that Nisekoi won't be one of those series where the "obvious is obvious" rule apply, but if it does, it will just be another disappointment...

[Xero8420]

I'm thinking that Raku was fated to be with Chitoge as how the story set up from the first place.

Randrak, I understand that what you stated here would not sit right with some people, when it comes to harem genre, since the main girl wins is quite mainstream (mostly the first girl wins). But still, Chitoge isn't the first girl introduced in the series.

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by liemtodaisu

Remember Ichigo 100? Toujo Aya was the one the protag probably loved the most, then near final chapters something stupid happened and the stupid protag went back to the blonde. Yeah, that's rules don't apply for you. Try reading G.E too, it's stomachache indulging since it's drama and all that, but rules didn't apply to who can win either.

I said usually, Ichigo 100% was one of the few exceptions (though it's a complicated one since it was also a rushed ending).

And what do you mean about G.E? It fits the bill to a T!
- First girl to show up is the girl the MC has a crush on (the final girl is rarely the one the Mc has a crush on);
- Second girl to show up AND the first girl to interact with the MC is the main girl (which is perfectly obvious from the beginning);
- She's on the first cover;
- She gets by far the most plot and screentime as well;

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Randrak, I understand that what you stated here would not sit right with some people, when it comes to harem genre, since the main girl wins is quite mainstream (mostly the first girl wins). But still, Chitoge isn't the first girl introduced in the series.

Actually, Chitoge WAS the first girl introduced (not counting flashback) and in an eventful encounter too.

[Death Usagi]

Seriously, Haru's personality seem to be really inherited from her mother XD

[Xero8420]

Even so, the past memory is still somewhat blurry & unclear. Maybe it's a bit too soon to assume who will win. For me, either Chitoge or Marika. However, I sought for the "screw the past promise!" scenario. Cause straight up rejection in a harsh way isn't his character.

Spoiler:

Of course, I just hope I don't wanna see Raku being like Kyousuke straight up rejecting most girls just for Kirino. It's not his character to see people hurt as a necessary sacrifice. And I bet he don't think anyone deserves to hurt

PS: I thought Onodera was the first.

[Death Usagi]

So it is given that Haru likes Raku. I wonder how the Onodera sisters will deal with this if they found out that they both like Raku in the future.

[SuitUp]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

I think one of the reasons why I don't like Chitoge much is that she reminds me of Kirino from OreImo somehow...
For one thing, other than few series out there, I am really tired of violent tsundere winning the main protagonist in a harem series in an obvious way...

I wouldn't compare them, Chitoge, at least to me, does not appear as spiteful and abrasive as Kirino (ugh) was, sure, she's a "violent tsundere", but the tone of her violence it's more slapstick comedy, while Kirino's was a lot more bitchy-ish.
In short, I do like Chitoge, she kind of grew on me, and I wouldn't be bothered by a Chitoge end, but apparently, I'm in the minority.

[Xero8420]

Chitoge is more of being a generic violent tsundere than an obnoxious/bitchy one. I personally find Chitoge likable. And now, it gets better as she's getting less abrasive & violent. She's making progress. Although whatever how this story ends as what Randrak assuming how it would end might not go right with me, but I wish Raku wouldn't harshly rejecting girls straight away, cause making sacrifice isn't his style.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Death Usagi

Sigh... I just pray for an open end seriously... Otherwise it's seriously going to be a bloody ending...

Open endings are stupid, they don't provide closure to a series. But yeah, I see the advantages of an open ending for fans of a girl who is unlikely to win: They have enough room for imagination. On the other hand I'm far less critical of the main character rejecting the other girls after he chooses one. I'm not a fan of two-timing of three-timing. If the main character chooses one, then it is only fair that he gives closure to everybody else so they can move one.

Then again, it also depends on the series for me. For something like IS a rejection of everybody else would be seriously bad considering how many yanderes are running around. And Strike the Blood from what I've seen is a prime example for a series that can make do with one main wife and one or two secondary ones. But I don't see Nisekoi in that mold.

[Xero8420]

Although I'm rooting for Chitoge end, I began to worry about Marika who is being very aggressive and possessive towards Raku. Onodera wouldn't mind too much for that. But Marika, on the other hand... Oww, how should I describe this? I bet that she couldn't accept the fact and her defeat. I know she tries very hard, but she's being overconfident and very obsessed of Raku makes me think that she may be holding a yandere tendency time bomb that would lead to a 'nice boat' ending.

Things may not end well as long as she's around. That's why an ending without an absolute closure for a little bliss may do a bit easier.
Thing

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Hey guys before the ending comes there's still 2 massive problems to deal with. 1st of all its the existence of a 4th key if it is when does that girl come into play. 2nd of all it appears that marika is hiding something and i'm guessing its a game changer. Finally even if the fated girl is known as long as the whole gang war thing is still possible things could get so much worse especially if the police get involved as well

[Breimoon]

am i the only one betting the fourth girl be part of the imperial family?? Afterall we are still missing a princess in the story.

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Hey guys before the ending comes there's still 2 massive problems to deal with. 1st of all its the existence of a 4th key if it is when does that girl come into play. 2nd of all it appears that marika is hiding something and i'm guessing its a game changer. Finally even if the fated girl is known as long as the whole gang war thing is still possible things could get so much worse especially if the police get involved as well

Let's just say if Marika was upset that the fated girl isn't her, she then have the police force to declare war on both yakuza and mafia gang, and then planning to force Raku to marry her and bear his child with her. Well, then this is as I concerned...

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Although I'm rooting for Chitoge end, I began to worry about Marika who is being very aggressive and possessive towards Raku.

I'm no friend of Marika. Her obsessiveness reminds me somewhat of Kouko's behaviour towards Mitsuo at the beginning of Golden Time. Somewhat childish and unhealthy and not really romantic. But that's just me.

[omimon]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Let's just say if Marika was upset that the fated girl isn't her, she then have the police force to declare war on both yakuza and mafia gang, and then planning to force Raku to marry her and bear his child with her. Well, then this is as I concerned...

I am almost certain that won't happen. Marika is sick. It's implied that it's pretty lethal as well. The way I see it what's gonna happen is that one day she gets so sick that she can no longer hang around everyone. Raku finds out how serious it is and asks her why didn't she say something earlier. She tells him its because she doesn't want to be treated like a sickly fragile girl. She then asks him to fulfill her dying wish and be her boyfriend even if it is nisekoi, and to keep everything a secret from the others.