Hayate no Gotoku manga (raw discussion only)

[Wolfnagi]

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

Loving the assumptions that go into that statement. Neither of my top two favorites do I find plausible shipping targets (and the third doesn't even begin to appeal to plausibilityhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Squick). I have ships for both of them (I like 'everyone on the side of good is happy' endings, but neither of them are ending up with Hayate.
My favorite shipping is actually lower in favorites than other characters.

Nagi is the character who's grown the most since the beginning. At the start she didn't see any issue with money, now she's actually putting thought into what she earns (if not what she spends), and wanting the money she uses for Hayate's b-day present to be from what she earns herself, not from the stocks she probably bought with her grandfather's money.
She's more 'street smart' than she was at the beginning, when she thought everything had to do with being 'book-smart' (how someone can be successful at the stock market and not be 'street-smart' I'm not quite sure.)

So you do noticed Bastion,
Cause only a true loyal Nagi fans noticed a single details of her growth,
plus, before her even breaking the stone,
she already grown much such as not easily give up anymore,
and etc.
And it now end to the fact that A-tan just revives herself from Chapter 265 and went all-assault in few chapters later.......

[5yewy5r]

Originally Posted by indr0008

havent read 266 yet? :P

Goddamn again. I went back a page and saw people's responses...I guess I was a bit late.. xD

But if A-tan did return to Japan just not with Hayate, seems like Hata just wanted to somehow make it clear that A-tan x Hayate won't happen, but still wants A-tan as a character.... Happens in a lot of Harem mangas, and at that point, only thing left for people shipping that relationship is denial and despair...

[Wolfnagi]

Well,
I just have a word for Hata,
JUST MAKE THE HAREM ENDING!!!!!
And LET ME HAVE OJOU!!!!!!!!!!

[chronoxii]

i just realised something a bit late

imagine if hayate was the one saying that instead of a-tan ... @.@
me and my warped imagination ahahahah

[indr0008]

Originally Posted by Wolfnagi

Well,
I just have a word for Hata,
JUST MAKE THE HAREM ENDING!!!!!
And LET ME HAVE OJOU!!!!!!!!!!

and so A-Tan goes to me

[Game8910]

Originally Posted by chronoxii

i just realised something a bit late

imagine if hayate was the one saying that instead of a-tan ... @.@
me and my warped imagination ahahahah

leave that for the doujins

[Bastion_Arcion]

Originally Posted by babohtea

The assumption about "people" doesn't mean "Bastion Arcion". You took defense too quickly. With that in mind, your entire first "paragraph" is like a counter to an attack that was never there.

Second paragraph I'd agree with. I honestly never saw the events between the beginning of the series and the breaking of the midas stone as significant, but you pretty much summarize the (perceived) significance of her breaking the stone. It's a symbol of materialism, you know?

For some reason people always like to ship their favorite characters together, rather than the characters that should be together.

Bastion Arcion is a person, who doesn't follow your statement of 'always'. Thus my statement is valid as a counter.

[zodanhko]

Bastion just doesn't admit that he likes Hina the most and just use Ayumu as a scapegoat. ^^

[babohtea]

People say "everyone", "always", and "nobody" even when they don't literally mean the extremes. A better argument would have been to say that "most people don't fit your description".

[Bastion_Arcion]

Originally Posted by babohtea

People say "everyone", "always", and "nobody" even when they don't literally mean the extremes. A better argument would have been to say that "most people don't fit your description".

A better argument would have been not to use the extreme in the first place, that's what I was pointing out. I wouldn't have commented at all if the argument had said 'most' instead. The extremes exist to be used as such and lesser words exist for when it is known that everyone doesn't fall into the pattern.

[babohtea]

Originally Posted by Bastion_Arcion

A better argument would have been not to use the extreme in the first place, that's what I was pointing out. I wouldn't have commented at all if the argument had said 'most' instead. The extremes exist to be used as such and lesser words exist for when it is known that everyone doesn't fall into the pattern.

Are you seriously trying to use this as a lesson to teach me not to use colloquial extremes? No. I refuse. That's stupid. Or did you want me to say that it might be slightly annoying to continue? Communication isn't perfect, if you can't detect the millions of assumed nuances in conversation, you're going to misunderstand everyone (Oh no! The "E" word!). I seriously cannot believe that you legitimately misinterpreted my "everybody" for meaning literally every single person on the face of the planet and beyond. It seems like you just want to argue.

Nobody's going to be perfectly specific in speech, ever. In fact, the more specific the sentence, the more likely there will be a fundamental misunderstanding due to differences in definition.

Topic over. Back to HnG please.

[Game8910]

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

[babohtea]

Originally Posted by Game8910

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

I think this disclaimer may be necessary:
He is trying to be funny. Letting your blood pressure rise may have adverse effects on your health. For EVERYONE.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Game8910

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

Going by Umineko logic, if I apply Hempel's Raven, I can prove this either true or false. I agree with this statement, and therefore it's true.

[ridgezipline]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Not really :/ tbh, as much as the Greek vacation arc was entertaining overall, there are many places where it reeks of bad writing.

well, i won't deny that one o_o .. but i think the lack of plot for the last 200+ chapters is mainly out of business - extending his series, he could however still create a much decent story if he chose to,.

Originally Posted by zodanhko

I think the battle is already between Nagi and Athena again the moment that they met. Of course, Hayate is still very much in love with Athena. By the time Athena comes back (gonna be every soon, I think), Hina should make her move if she wants a chance (If she still hasn't by then, she might as well stay in her shell forever...). But what's the chance that Hayate's going to accept Hina (doesn't have feelings for her + have to stay by Nagi's side until she lets him go) ? Well, I'll leave it your imagination.

i think the last arc made everyone, more or less, of equal standing, except nagi.. unless hayate discovers about the box and the ring earlier...
*atan fans dont shoot me*

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by zodanhko

That's the very same reason that still gives Hina fans hope , and it probably will be that way until the story ends if she keeps this up (I, honestly, won't be surprised if she will never confess).

Neither would I. If Hina is going to win, it will be Hayate to chase and confess to her

Hayate already returned to Japan with the group without Athena. =P

So you mean she caused him heartbreak by telling him goodbye first to then take back her pledge with silly semantics? That would have been pretty stupid of her, wouldn't it?

No, the separation holds. The symbolism is "I will return your butler to you, but my feelings of love are mine". It's not a challenge. If Athena wanted to fight for Hayate, she could do so now. There's no point in doing it later.

I think the battle is already between Nagi and Athena again the moment that they met. Of course, Hayate is still very much in love with Athena.

They have said goodbye. Hayate considers himself dumped and is getting over the heartbreak. If you honestly believe that - should he ever fall in love with another girl, as he said - he'll then dump her again for his first love Athena, be my guest. I don't consider him that much of a bastard.

By the time Athena comes back (gonna be every soon, I think), Hina should make her move if she wants a chance (If she still hasn't by then, she might as well stay in her shell forever...). But what's the chance that Hayate's going to accept Hina (doesn't have feelings for her + have to stay by Nagi's side until she lets him go) ? Well, I'll leave it your imagination.

Having Hina take relationship advice from you would be like me taking medical advice from the undertaker

Just leave Hina be for now. I hope that she'll be able to return to her normal self. The rest will develop or not.

[chronoxii]

Originally Posted by Game8910

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

Agree. Is there a a-tan fan club formed yet lol. i wanna joinnnnn <33

[Wolfnagi]

Originally Posted by Game8910

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

Not to all people game xD
Cause it seems that in your poll,
60 % voted 5 Stars while the rest voted less......
I think.............

[zodanhko]

Originally Posted by Mentar

If Hina is going to win, it will be Hayate to chase and confess to her

There is nothing wrong with hoping. Guess Hata's plan worked.

Originally Posted by Mentar

So you mean she caused him heartbreak by telling him goodbye first to then take back her pledge with silly semantics? That would have been pretty stupid of her, wouldn't it?

No, the separation holds. The symbolism is "I will return your butler to you, but my feelings of love are mine". It's not a challenge. If Athena wanted to fight for Hayate, she could do so now. There's no point in doing it later.

Not really. I thought she rejected Hayate because the author can't have the manga ended, and it gave the others some opportunities with everything back to square one, somewhat.
One of the reasons was to repay Nagi. The other was she thought Hayate could be hurt, but there is no harm in wanting him to love her now, is it?

Athena stated that she's giving Hayate back to Nagi now, but that won't necessarily happen the next time. That means she has the desire to have him. Even more so when Athena wears the ring. Since that ring represents Hayate's feelings for her, it would make more sense that she hasn't give up on Hayate's feelings for her, right?

Originally Posted by Mentar

They have said goodbye. Hayate considers himself dumped and is getting over the heartbreak. If you honestly believe that - should he ever fall in love with another girl, as he said - he'll then dump her again for his first love Athena, be my guest. I don't consider him that much of a bastard.

Well, I was thinking that Hina would leave Hayate once she realized her place, but him dumping her could work. And since they haven't yet going out, he has every right to reject her without being a jack-ass.

Originally Posted by Mentar

Having Hina take relationship advice from you would be like me taking medical advice from the undertaker

Just leave Hina be for now. I hope that she'll be able to return to her normal self. The rest will develop or not.

But I wasn't trying to waste my time giving her advice; I'd kill myself before then. So, don't be ridiculous now.

[babohtea]

Meh. Harems are harems. Even if they are unplausible; I hope to see Hayate end with anyone.