(L) Freezing [Manga]

[DragonOsman]

I agree with GendoAizenPig about Kazuha, actually. She became cold and condescending towards Orie likely because of Gengo and, presumably, the things he said to her.

Edit: One post late.
@RedBlueBlack: That makes sense. I also forgot about that, though.

[RedBlueBlack]

On the topic of Suna, Gengo didn't mean to let anything slip to her. He got drunk and muttered some stuff and only found out later when he confronted Suna about not hanging out with him.

[DragonOsman]

You mean her finding out that he isn't a psychopath was an accident because of the alcohol?

[RedBlueBlack]

Yeah. He got drunk after a meeting and muttered about Kazuha when Suna put him to bed. It's significant because Suna's perception of Gengo as a psycho was mostly dependent on his fake apathy towards Kazuha's death. Oh and him not having a problem with her scaring people.

[Culaio]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Ryuuichi is responsible for his own death, the guy was a moron.

I completly disagree, dude just lost his wife. his own father who should have supported him when he was suffering acted like death of his wife was not big deal, and pretty much said that his role in his plans was more important then wife he just lost, and then dumped all that info about his role which added to his confusion.

Its not that rare for people who lost someone who they loved very much to be mentally unstable/suicidal, I personally know one guy who lost woman with who he was in relationship and he outright told me that for a while he was thinking about jumping out of the window, he didnt but he had support of his mother and friends, Ryuuichi in this story didnt had support like that, Gengo not only wasnt support for Ryuuichi but he was looking down on Orie death.

So yeah Gengo pushed Ryuuichi to suicide without realizing it.

[Twi]

He shouldn't have even let Ryuuichi think he could have a normal life if that wasn't going to happen. Gengo had good intentions, but you can't just spring all those secrets onto people like that at the last minute. Even his own grandson and grandaughter didn't trust him.

[DragonOsman]

If you mean Kazuha, then she seemed to trust him more than her own parents, didn't she? And that was also his own fault.

@Culaio: Good points. Agreed.

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by Twi

He shouldn't have even let Ryuuichi think he could have a normal life if that wasn't going to happen. Gengo had good intentions, but you can't just spring all those secrets onto people like that at the last minute. Even his own grandson and grandaughter didn't trust him.

Actually, Gengo up and told Ryuuichi that he wanted him to experience what it's like to be a husband and father but he also knew that it wouldn't last because of the role that Ryuuchi had to play.

What's sadder about this is that Ryuuichi also knew the truth but chose to ignore it. Gengo verified this during their final confrontation only to receive a glare from Ryuuichi, confirming this.

Even IF Ryuuichi could have enjoyed a life with Orie, it wouldn't last and it would all be in vain because the Nova would have wiped out him, Orie and humanity since he would have forsaken his role and doomed humanity.

The love of your wife against saving all of humanity. That is indeed a difficult choice.

In the end, fate is a cruel mistress...

[Culaio]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

If you mean Kazuha, then she seemed to trust him more than her own parents, didn't she? And that was also his own fault.

@Culaio: Good points. Agreed.

she listened to gengo at first but later decided to live with her brother away from their grandfather, wanting to keep Kazuya away from Gengo which implies she lost trust in him but later in life she accepted Gengo's reason for fighting.

Originally Posted by Tachibana

Actually, Gengo up and told Ryuuichi that he wanted him to experience what it's like to be a husband and father but he also knew that it wouldn't last because of the role that Ryuuchi had to play.

What's sadder about this is that Ryuuichi also knew the truth but chose to ignore it. Gengo verified this during their final confrontation only to receive a glare from Ryuuichi, confirming this.

Even IF Ryuuichi could have enjoyed a life with Orie, it wouldn't last and it would all be in vain because the Nova would have wiped out him, Orie and humanity since he would have forsaken his role and doomed humanity.

The love of your wife against saving all of humanity. That is indeed a difficult choice.

In the end, fate is a cruel mistress...

The thing is that what Gengo given Ryuuchi was illusion that he could live a normal live and if you think about it Gengo plans for Ryuuichi were pretty horrible, I mean he was was going to "breed" new generation of soldiers who would risk their life's and die for humanity, this is pretty screwed up, and that was pretty much all he could do. limiter theory didnt exist yet back then so he wasnt going to fight for humanity himself like limiters currently do together with pandora, limiter theory was created because Ryuuchi suicide ruined arcadia project

In the end Gengo pushed Ryuuchi over the edge saying that what Ryuuchi was doing was "pretending to be a family" and was "nothing more then a game compared to his duty)

[Twi]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

If you mean Kazuha, then she seemed to trust him more than her own parents, didn't she? And that was also his own fault.

No, remember she was basically unable to connect with humanity at first, including her Grandfather and Mother. She only cared about her father and her brother. After her father's death (and speaking with the ghost of her mother), did she start to raise her brother and connected to humanity more and decide to protect them.

[Culaio]

Originally Posted by Twi

No, remember she was basically unable to connect with humanity at first, including her Grandfather and Mother. She only cared about her father and her brother. After her father's death (and speaking with the ghost of her mother), did she start to raise her brother and connected to humanity more and decide to protect them.

Actually I am not sure she even cared about her father and brother she said said to kazuya in "spiritual realm"(dunno how to called it, but kazuya was talking with his sister before his awakening) that she didnt actually love him at first she simply wanted what her mother, father and grandfather wanted so much, she simply wanted to make that thing hers, she said that she learned to love kazuya with time, it seems that human-nova hybrids(people with stigmatic bodies) lack ability to love same way humans do(at least female hybrids), it seems that they lack in-born ability to love unconditionally instead they can learn to love, at least that how it looks to me.
(info from chapter 195, you can read about it there)

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, I kind of remember something like that.

[Alhazad2003]

Spoiler for Chapter 213:

And thus the revolution begins. It seems to be going well for the heroes, until Darth Gengo and his unholy horde unleash an unseen attack which causes the soldiers of Eluka to Novalize and turn on each other. Maria's forces are overwhelmed, and Maria herself is captured and brought before the Dark Lord, who's about to have his way with her. But before anything truly graphic happens, Kazuya appears to confront the madman, and the chapter comes to an end.

[sparhawk1610]

Originally Posted by Alhazad2003

Spoiler for Chapter 213:

And thus the revolution begins. It seems to be going well for the heroes, until Darth Gengo and his unholy horde unleash an unseen attack which causes the soldiers of Eluka to Novalize and turn on each other. Maria's forces are overwhelmed, and Maria herself is captured and brought before the Dark Lord, who's about to have his way with her. But before anything truly graphic happens, Kazuya appears to confront the madman, and the chapter comes to an end.

there is already raw for 214...

Spoiler for 214:

In short, Kazuya confront Gengo, then use freezing to help girls, girls make some comeback, but then their attack is stopped by Novas that Gengo brings. They are in pinch, switch POW to Arcadia (she looks like communicates with others ?), Satela confront weird situation with freezing and meet Cassandra (probably connected to kazuya situation?). Don´t rly understand korean (yes the raws are korean) but based on the pics I can say this much

[DragonOsman]

Thanks for the spoilers, you two!

Spoiler for reply to sparhawk's spoilers:

Do you mean the Earth Satella and Cassandra, or the Elca ones? I'm glad that Arcadia's finally doing something. Hopefully whatever it is can really help Kazuya's side.

[RedBlueBlack]

Yeah the chapter ends with West Genetics going to war. Satellizer is in a hallway when Cassandra appears and uses Freezing non-threateningly on her. Looks like they will talk next chapter.

Also I didn't realize chapter 212 was translated and just read it. The first few pages were very interesting. It seems even the Nova demons can't influence the Transcedent Will.

[DragonOsman]

Since when can Pandora use Freezing?

And what are you basing this

It seems even the Nova demons can't influence the Transcedent Will.

on? I get it's something from Chapter 212, but what part exactly? I think I may have missed something when I read it.

[sparhawk1610]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Thanks for the spoilers, you two!

Spoiler for reply to sparhawk's spoilers:

Do you mean the Earth Satella and Cassandra, or the Elca ones? I'm glad that Arcadia's finally doing something. Hopefully whatever it is can really help Kazuya's side.

Indeed the earth one

[RedBlueBlack]

Legendary Pandora can use Freezing. We've seen them do it a couple of times.

As for chapter 212, it's in the first few pages. The Nova demons talk about the Transcendent Will as if it is something outside their control. They begin sensing Arcadia's presence and wonder if the TW is behind it.

[DragonOsman]

Oh, that part. I'll have to look at it again.

And yeah, it's been a while. I forgot a lot of things. Thanks for the reminder. [About the Legendary Pandora being able to use Freezing.] So Cassandra uses it unthreateningly on Satellizer? Why?